LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING...

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    LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING...

       THE GOLDEN GOOOOSE !!!  THE OWNERS NEED TO HOLD THE LINE ON THE STUPIDITY OF BIG $$$$$ FOR 5,6, 7 YEARS......  THIS IS A GREAT TIME FOR THE OWNERS TO SMARTEN UP  AND GET CONTROL OF THE GAME !!!  ALL THAT $$$$$$  TO WATCH 85% OF FREE AGENTS SLIDE BACK AS THEY ENTER THE "TWILIGHT" OF THEIR GAME !!!!   WHAT SAY YOU ??  ALL YOU BRIGHT T-BALL FATHERS !!!!!
     
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    In Response to Re: LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING...:
    As dad would say, the owners are getting $$$$$ from TV contracts. How about, and please don't laugh, Bill-806, they lower ticket prices and John Henry put the Red Sox on free TV. Is it fair that the public has to pay to see our Red Sox? As dad would say, give me my black and white TV and those rabbit-ears. Hi neighbor have a Gansett!
    Posted by 2004Idiots
    GOOD ONE...... DON'T FORGET "THE ATLANTIC RICHFIELD CO. & THE AMERICAN TOBACO CO. !!!Wink
     
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    Re: LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING...

    Do away with the "DH" and go back to playing real baseball like the National League and you'll see the free agent salaries drop.


     
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    In Response to Re: LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING...:
    Do away with the "DH" and go back to playing real baseball like the National League and you'll see the free agent salaries drop.
    Posted by Ergoetal


    ????
     
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    Re: LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING...

    Players are free to invest their own private property as capital and form their own league. Owners should lock big millionaire labor out. Demand any field performance based contract provisions be permissable including levels of cumalitive performance requirements or the owner can terminate the contract for failure of quid pro quo. Demand that contracts may include PED and substance abuse testing procedures as modeled after IOC. Demand that contracts may include provisions on suspensions for insubordinantion.

    Absured closed shop Labor costs is the reason for absurd ticket and media broadcast prices. Force labor to be accountable for performance and free market forces will greatly reduce labor costs.

    Owners need to put an end to the tyrany of big labor, a collective that has serious drug abuse problems but refuses testing procedures and has no accountability for terrible performance.
     
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    Re: LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING...

    In Response to Re: LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING...:
    Players are free to invest their own private property as capital and form their own league. Owners should lock big millionaire labor out. Demand any field performance based contract provisions be permissable including levels of cumalitive performance requirements or the owner can terminate the contract for failure of quid pro quo. Demand that contracts may include PED and substance abuse testing procedures as modeled after IOC. Demand that contracts may include provisions on suspensions for insubordinantion. Absured closed shop Labor costs is the reason for absurd ticket and media broadcast prices. Force labor to be accountable for performance and free market forces will greatly reduce labor costs. Owners need to put an end to the tyrany of big labor, a collective that has serious drug abuse problems but refuses testing procedures and has no accountability for terrible performance.
    Posted by hankwilliams
      I'LL DRINK TO THAT !!   IS THAT YOU, SOFTY ?????
     
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    In Response to LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING...:
       THE GOLDEN GOOOOSE !!!  THE OWNERS NEED TO HOLD THE LINE ON THE STUPIDITY OF BIG $$$$$ FOR 5,6, 7 YEARS......  THIS IS A GREAT TIME FOR THE OWNERS TO SMARTEN UP  AND GET CONTROL OF THE GAME !!!  ALL THAT $$$$$$  TO WATCH 85% OF FREE AGENTS SLIDE BACK AS THEY ENTER THE "TWILIGHT" OF THEIR GAME !!!!   WHAT SAY YOU ??  ALL YOU BRIGHT T-BALL FATHERS !!!!!
    Posted by Bill-806

    Bill, are you suggesting that the competitive free market system is not working in free agency segment of the baseball monopoly?

    I never had you pegged as a liberal.

    I hope you're not advocating collusion on the part of the owners.

    And let's not forget that the owners control the productive player with less than six years of MLB service who earns less than what the market would bear (although the minimum annual salary of nearly $500,000 is mighty attractive to the less productive players).
     
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    Do away with the "DH" and go back to playing real baseball like the National League and you'll see the free agent salaries drop.
    Posted by Ergoetal


    So what your saying is that National league players make less money.
     
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    In Response to LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING... : Bill, are you suggesting that the competitive free market system is not working in free agency segment of the baseball monopoly? I never had you pegged as a liberal. I hope you're not advocating collusion on the part of the owners. And let's not forget that the owners control the productive player with less than six years of MLB service who earns less than what the market would bear (although the minimum annual salary of nearly $500,000 is mighty attractive to the less productive players).
    Posted by hill55
      OH, IT'S WORKING ALRIGHT.... ON BEHALF OF THE PLAYERS & THEIR PIMPS !!!!  ONLY BECAUSE THE OWNERS ARE RICH & STUPID ..& THE FANS ARE TOO!!!  ....  COLLUSION ???  "WHATS WRONG WITH THAT" ????  84MIL FOR JOHN LACKY ?? 142MIL FOR CARL CRAWFORD???  $$$$$$ FOR LONG TERM CONTRACTS FOR BECKETT, LESTER, BUCH, YOUK, DREW, & OTHERS......  HOW ABOUT 4MIL A YEAR FOR THE BEST BARROOM SOFTBALL PITCHER YET ???   LIBERAL ??  HECK NO, NOT ME.......  NOW IS THE TIME FOR THE OWNERS TO MAKE THE PLAYERS "HUNGRY AGAIN" !!!  JUST LOOK AT THE PLAYOFFS AND THE SMALL PAYROLL TEAMS THAT WENT DEEP......  BOSTON, YANK$, PHILL$, THEY WERE GOLFING IN EARLY OCTOBER !!!!Cool
     
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    As Dada would say, rutabaga.
     
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    In Response to Re: LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING... :   OH, IT'S WORKING ALRIGHT.... ON BEHALF OF THE PLAYERS & THEIR PIMPS !!!!  ONLY BECAUSE THE OWNERS ARE RICH & STUPID ..& THE FANS ARE TOO!!!  ....  COLLUSION ???  "WHATS WRONG WITH THAT" ????  84MIL FOR JOHN LACKY ?? 142MIL FOR CARL CRAWFORD???  $$$$$$ FOR LONG TERM CONTRACTS FOR BECKETT, LESTER, BUCH, YOUK, DREW, & OTHERS......  HOW ABOUT 4MIL A YEAR FOR THE BEST BARROOM SOFTBALL PITCHER YET ???   LIBERAL ??  HECK NO, NOT ME.......  NOW IS THE TIME FOR THE OWNERS TO MAKE THE PLAYERS "HUNGRY AGAIN" !!!  JUST LOOK AT THE PLAYOFFS AND THE SMALL PAYROLL TEAMS THAT WENT DEEP......  BOSTON, YANK$, PHILL$, THEY WERE GOLFING IN EARLY OCTOBER !!!!
    Posted by Bill-806

    Seems to me that you're advocating price controls ... shouldn't the free market set the price?
     
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    In Response to Re: LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING...:
    Players are free to invest their own private property as capital and form their own league. Owners should lock big millionaire labor out. Demand any field performance based contract provisions be permissable including levels of cumalitive performance requirements or the owner can terminate the contract for failure of quid pro quo. Demand that contracts may include PED and substance abuse testing procedures as modeled after IOC. Demand that contracts may include provisions on suspensions for insubordinantion. Absured closed shop Labor costs is the reason for absurd ticket and media broadcast prices. Force labor to be accountable for performance and free market forces will greatly reduce labor costs. Owners need to put an end to the tyrany of big labor, a collective that has serious drug abuse problems but refuses testing procedures and has no accountability for terrible performance.
    Posted by hankwilliams


    Hank....while I don't share your view of organised labour (always) being "bad", I think many of your points are sound and would improve this and other sports e.g. a tougher line on drugs.

    But as for "Players are free to invest their own private property as capital and form their own league. Owners should lock big millionaire labor out."....can't you see that players don't form their own league(s) because they believe they will be better off fighting with the management for the Nth dollar?  And the owners don't lock out and start again with cheap (lesser) talent because they believe they will be better off fighting with the talent for the Nth dollar?

    Rage against the dying light to your heart's discontent, but it isn't about Labour Issues, it's about the fundamental greed and entitlement society is riddled with.  And, no, I don't have the answer.  But blaming Marvin Miller or Scott Boras is absurd...they were/are extremely good at their jobs, fighting - as they were/are paid for - on behalf of their clients....but they're just a byproduct of the system that created them.
     
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    Re: LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING...

    In Response to Re: LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING...:
    In Response to Re: LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING... : Seems to me that you're advocating price controls ... shouldn't the free market set the price?
    Posted by hill55
    IM JUST SAYING, THAT THE OWNERS & G M's ARE NOT GETTING WHAT THEY ARE PAYING FOR....... THE RETURN ON THE $$$$ IS A LOT LIKE THE "BIG O's" BUDGET, (THATS RIGHT, I FORGOT HE DOES NOT SUBMIT ONE)  I KNOW THAT THE SOX SEE THIS, AND THEY ARE GOING TO WORK HARD TO BRING IT UNDER CONTROL !!  STARTING WITH PAPI, BECKETT, TEK, WAKEFIELD, DREW.  LOOK FOR  G M BEN TO BE CREATIVE ON THE TRADE MARKET TO MOVE $$$$$$$... ( IE: YOUK)
     
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    Re: LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING...

    Fans who blame Boras are idiots.

    The guy is an agent.  He is hired by players, not the other way around.  And any player who hires him does so because he wants what Scott Boras brings to the table - maximum money and/or years via free agency.  It's not a secret.  We all know it, especially the players.

    Boras just offers a product.  The clients go to him on their own...
     
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    Re: LIKE LOCAL CASINOS IN EACH STATE, FREE AGENTS & THE LIKES OF BORA$$ ARE KILLING...

    Absured closed shop Labor costs is the reason for absurd ticket and media broadcast prices. Force labor to be accountable for performance and free market forces will greatly reduce labor costs.

    Economically-speaking, that's incorrect.  The price of a product is dictated by the demand.  If the NYY don't re-sign Sabathia, they won't be lowering my ticket price.  If they sign Wilson, they probably won't raise my ticket price.

    Nor does the union set the salary scale.  They just allow for when the player gets to sell his services to other teams.

    Let's say we all worked for banks.  The opponents of the union work for Keystone bank.  They served as an intern during college, and worked for 6 years afterwards.  Now you're really good at your job, and you know that JP Morgan will pay you triple what keystone pays.

    How many of you feel that you shouldn't be allowed to leave and triple your salary?
     
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    OH, IT'S WORKING ALRIGHT.... ON BEHALF OF THE PLAYERS & THEIR PIMPS !!!!  ONLY BECAUSE THE OWNERS ARE RICH & STUPID ..& THE FANS ARE TOO!!! 

    Why?  The players are making money.  The owners are making money.  And who cares how I spend my money besides me?

    And FWIW, people aren't usually both 'rich' and 'stupid'.
     
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