Loss column and games in hand

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    Loss column and games in hand

    Can we stop with the all important loss column business?  Yes the Red Sox have lost one more game than Tampa.  They have played four more games, meaning that they have already won three of those four games. 

    Sure, Tampa could be ahead of them, but only if they win ALL four of the games they have yet to play. 

    The loss column is significant when the team with less losses also has played more games.  They have thus won those games.

    To make Tampa's task a bit harder is that after September 9th, they do not have another day off the rest of the season.  The Red Sox have three in addition to also being off on the ninth along with Tampa.

    In the final week, they have that mini trip to Colorado and they are off Monday and Thursday.  Tampa plays at home with Baltimore and at New York on those two days.  They also play home against Texas on the 16th, when the Red Sox have the other day off.  The fourth game is actually today in KC for Tampa.  (too bad the Sox got them when they were playing out of their heads.)  They seem to have come back to earth in a hurry.

    The big question then is do the Rays win three of those four games.  They are spread out enough to say sure they could.  On the other hand playing their final 20 games without a day off (starting with the Red Sox) is going to tax their pitching staff, as good as it is. 

    So let's stop with the AILC.

     

     
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    Well, first of all, Tampa will start their difficult schedule starting today cuz they are traveling to KC for make up game before coming back to Tampa to play against the Angels for three game series, and then head out to Oakland, LA Angels and seattle for a long west coast trip.  Then once they are back home, they will play Boston.

    So I strongly think this week is a critical week for Tampa while Boston just sit back and play all home games except the long NY/Boston series in Bronx  while Tampa playing all their games on the road.

    We got to see what the standing will be by the end of Tampa's road trip and the end of Boston/NYY serie!!!

     

     
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    And losing to the Royals right now!

     
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    In response to seannybboi's comment:

    And losing to the Royals right now!



    that is nice!!  but i would wait until the end of the game.  Tampa have fought themselves to the end of the game in almost every game in the past two to three weeks.

    Go Royals!!  

     
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    In response to seannybboi's comment:

    And losing to the Royals right now!



    Go Royals... Huge game for Sox...

     
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    And losing to the Royals right now!

     



    that is nice!!  but i would wait until the end of the game.  Tampa have fought themselves to the end of the game in almost every game in the past two to three weeks.

     

    Go Royals!!  

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    10-1 blow out.  

     
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    In response to natepioneer0350's comment:

    Can we stop with the all important loss column business?  Yes the Red Sox have lost one more game than Tampa.  They have played four more games, meaning that they have already won three of those four games. 

    Sure, Tampa could be ahead of them, but only if they win ALL four of the games they have yet to play. 

    The loss column is significant when the team with less losses also has played more games.  They have thus won those games.

    To make Tampa's task a bit harder is that after September 9th, they do not have another day off the rest of the season.  The Red Sox have three in addition to also being off on the ninth along with Tampa.

    In the final week, they have that mini trip to Colorado and they are off Monday and Thursday.  Tampa plays at home with Baltimore and at New York on those two days.  They also play home against Texas on the 16th, when the Red Sox have the other day off.  The fourth game is actually today in KC for Tampa.  (too bad the Sox got them when they were playing out of their heads.)  They seem to have come back to earth in a hurry.

    The big question then is do the Rays win three of those four games.  They are spread out enough to say sure they could.  On the other hand playing their final 20 games without a day off (starting with the Red Sox) is going to tax their pitching staff, as good as it is. 

    So let's stop with the AILC.

     



    We're now tied in the all important loss column after the Royals drubbed the Rays 11-1 today....

     
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    In response to Beantowne's comment:

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    Can we stop with the all important loss column business?  Yes the Red Sox have lost one more game than Tampa.  They have played four more games, meaning that they have already won three of those four games. 

    Sure, Tampa could be ahead of them, but only if they win ALL four of the games they have yet to play. 

    The loss column is significant when the team with less losses also has played more games.  They have thus won those games.

    To make Tampa's task a bit harder is that after September 9th, they do not have another day off the rest of the season.  The Red Sox have three in addition to also being off on the ninth along with Tampa.

    In the final week, they have that mini trip to Colorado and they are off Monday and Thursday.  Tampa plays at home with Baltimore and at New York on those two days.  They also play home against Texas on the 16th, when the Red Sox have the other day off.  The fourth game is actually today in KC for Tampa.  (too bad the Sox got them when they were playing out of their heads.)  They seem to have come back to earth in a hurry.

    The big question then is do the Rays win three of those four games.  They are spread out enough to say sure they could.  On the other hand playing their final 20 games without a day off (starting with the Red Sox) is going to tax their pitching staff, as good as it is. 

    So let's stop with the AILC.

     

     



    We're now tied in the all important loss column after the Royals drubbed the Rays 11-1 today....

     

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    Good! Now the RAYS tv announcers can stop circling that "all important" loss column on their monitor. They really have to be the worst in all of baseball. Second only to their radio clowns.

     
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    Can we stop with the all important loss column business?  Yes the Red Sox have lost one more game than Tampa.  They have played four more games, meaning that they have already won three of those four games. 

    Sure, Tampa could be ahead of them, but only if they win ALL four of the games they have yet to play. 

    The loss column is significant when the team with less losses also has played more games.  They have thus won those games.

    To make Tampa's task a bit harder is that after September 9th, they do not have another day off the rest of the season.  The Red Sox have three in addition to also being off on the ninth along with Tampa.

    In the final week, they have that mini trip to Colorado and they are off Monday and Thursday.  Tampa plays at home with Baltimore and at New York on those two days.  They also play home against Texas on the 16th, when the Red Sox have the other day off.  The fourth game is actually today in KC for Tampa.  (too bad the Sox got them when they were playing out of their heads.)  They seem to have come back to earth in a hurry.

    The big question then is do the Rays win three of those four games.  They are spread out enough to say sure they could.  On the other hand playing their final 20 games without a day off (starting with the Red Sox) is going to tax their pitching staff, as good as it is. 

    So let's stop with the AILC.

     

     

     

     



    We're now tied in the all important loss column after the Royals drubbed the Rays 11-1 today....

     

     

     

     

     

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    Good! Now the RAYS tv announcers can stop circling that "all important" loss column on their monitor. They really have to be the worst in all of baseball. Second only to their radio clowns.

     

     

     

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    Thanks for identifying the Strawman that was mentioned in the OP. Now we know that it is the TB TV and radio announcers. I don't watch or listen to those announcers so it is not relevant to me.

     

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    Ok, from now on we'll only post things which are relevant to you. In the meantime we'll just listen to some relaxing music...........

     
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    and with the KC win, this exactly what I was talking about.  There were four games and TB had to win three of them to "keep up" with the Sox.  They lost the first.  are they going to win the other three.  maybe, but it won't be easy.  Reme,ber two of them come in a four day period at the end of September.

     
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    Becasue of Tampa's loss at KC today, they now have to play 1.000 ball on days we are not playing and win all of the remaining three games they have in hand just to tie us, and even that is unlikely. If the Sox lose the division, it will be on the field themselves.

     

     
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    In response to BurritoT-'s comment:

    Today counts as a "w' for the Sox imo. Good day even on a day off.



    NY and Det also lost. 

     
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    I get the point of this thread, but if I had a choice of being 1 down in the win column vs 1 down in the loss column, I'd chose the former. It means your future is more in your own hands: what you do with it is another matter.

    Sox4ever

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    I get the point of this thread, but if I had a choice of being 1 down in the win column vs 1 down in the loss column, I'd chose the former. It means your future is more in your own hands: what you do with it is another matter.

    Sox4ever



    But it is 3 games even they win 2 of 3 they would both play better than their record and finish a game back.

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    I get the point of this thread, but if I had a choice of being 1 down in the win column vs 1 down in the loss column, I'd chose the former. It means your future is more in your own hands: what you do with it is another matter.

    Sox4ever



    Exactly. Thats why the lost column IS more important than the win column. Anyone know how it works out if we finish the season tied with the Rays? Is it our record against them that determines who is the division winner and who is the WC? I believe thats the way it works. Right now we are 10-6 against the Rays with only three games against them left, so we have already won the series against them for the year. I believe that functionally gives us an additional game ahead of them in terms of winning the division since they have to finish ahead of us, not tied, to win the division. That could come in handy.

     
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    What it means to me a lot of pressure on team playing than not playing. Especially this time of year.

     
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    It is always better to be ahead in the loss column and control your destiny. On the other hand, it is good to have played more games and have the extra days off down the stretch.  Works both ways.

    Stabbed by Foulke.

     
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    So the Rays have to go 3-0, to get even. I like those odds.

     
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    Good brain work all----the fact we won the season series regardless of the outcome of the three head to head meetings is a real plus. It will be interesting to see how we do in those three games against the Rays. It will be a good match for our pitching staff to see if they can match up against the Longoria/ Myers twosome.

    Our pitching is coming together nicely.

     
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    Boston is 10-6 vs. the Rays this year (which means that Boston has won the season series). So "IF" the Red Sox and Rays finish the season with the same record, wouldn't the AL East division go to the Red Sox?  

     

     
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    Good brain work all----the fact we won the season series regardless of the outcome of the three head to head meetings is a real plus. It will be interesting to see how we do in those three games against the Rays. It will be a good match for our pitching staff to see if they can match up against the Longoria/ Myers twosome.

    Our pitching is coming together nicely.

     



    I think if we are tied for the division lead we have to play the Rays in a one game tiebreaker-which would be in Boston because we already won the season series against them-to determine who is the division winner and who is the WC. Here is what I found:

     

    Two-way tie for the division or wildcard [edit source | editbeta] Main article: One-game playoff

    One game tie-breakers are played between teams tied for a division championship or the second wildcard berth in either league. These games are played the day after the season was scheduled to end. Home-field advantage for these games is determined using the rules listed below ("Breaking Ties Without Playoff Games").

    From the implementation of the wild card in 1994 through to the end of the 2011 season, two teams tied for a division would not play a tie-breaker if their records were better than all non-division winners in the league - in that case, the tie was broken using the rules listed below ("Breaking Ties Without Playoff Games"). This scenario happened in the 2005 Major League Baseball season when the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox tied for first place in the American League East - the Yankees were awarded the division title on account of a better head-to-head record against the Red Sox, while Boston received the wild card.

    However, with the implementation of a second wild card berth and wild card game beginning in the 2012 season, the non-division winner with the best record in the league now faces the possibility of elimination on the first day of the postseason. As a result, the tie-breaking rules were changed so that two teams tied for a division championship must play a tie breaking game even if both teams have already qualified for the postseason. The team losing the tie-break would qualify for a wildcard berth only if its regular season record is one of the two best records of teams from each league that are not division champions. If the losing team's regular season record is tied with a team outside the division for the second wild card spot, a second tie-break would be held between the team losing the division championship tie-break and the team outside the division with the same record to determine the final wild card spot.

    Starting in 2012, two wildcard teams are selected from each league. If these two teams are tied with each other (and with no other teams) at the end of the regular season, no tie-breaking game is played. Home field advantage in the Wild Card Showdown is awarded according to tie-breakers outlined in the next section.

    Breaking ties without playoff games [edit source | editbeta]

    1. The team with the best record in head to head play.
    2. The team with the best overall record in intradivision games.
    3. The team with the best record in the final 81 games of the season, ignoringinterleague play.
    4. The team with the best record in the final 82 games of the season (providing the game added is not between the tied teams), extending backward until the tie is broken (since teams in the same division play each other as many as 19 times, this step is guaranteed to break the tie. Interleague games are skipped and ignored in this process.)
     
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