Lyle Overbay Signed to a Minor League Deal by Red Sox

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    I'd have preferred someone who could also play the OF, but this is decent enough insurance.

    More importantly, though, I hope that after getting Napoli down to one year Ben is already looking for a 1B solution for 2014 and beyond...unless the team believes Shaw will eventually be the answer, there isn't much there in terms of organizational depth.

     



    There are a number of players who may be moved to 1B soon: (One of two from) Cecchini, Middlebrooks, Bogaerts, Lavarnway, and maybe more...

     

     




    Cecchini hasn't really shown the pop you'd want from a 1B so far...

     

     




    I was thinking the same about Lavarnway.

     

     




    Last year was kind of an anomaly for Lavarnaway. He hit much worse than he ever has so far in his professional career. I think a lot of it had to do with catching so many games.

     



    Hopefully, that's all it is.

    I think starting the year in Pawtuckett will do nothing but help him.

     
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    Well then, they can spend another $30,000 tomorrow and get someone else.

     



    My question is have any of these low risk gambles ever worked outnfor the Red Sox. The only one I can think of was Cody Ross and he was not a minor league deal but much more expensive.

     

     




     

    I may be wrong about minor league deals or ML deals here, but I think here are some recent ones...

    Pedro Ciriaco, Mauro Gomez,  Aaron Cook, Darnell McDonald, Scott Atchison



    Also David Ortiz and Tim Wakefield.

     
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    Well then, they can spend another $30,000 tomorrow and get someone else.

     



    My question is have any of these low risk gambles ever worked outnfor the Red Sox. The only one I can think of was Cody Ross and he was not a minor league deal but much more expensive.

     

     




     

    I may be wrong about minor league deals or ML deals here, but I think here are some recent ones...

    Pedro Ciriaco, Mauro Gomez,  Aaron Cook, Darnell McDonald, Scott Atchison

     



    Also David Ortiz and Tim Wakefield.

     



    This board has already established that they're both bums. ;-)

     
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    Well then, they can spend another $30,000 tomorrow and get someone else.

     



    My question is have any of these low risk gambles ever worked outnfor the Red Sox. The only one I can think of was Cody Ross and he was not a minor league deal but much more expensive.

     

     




     

    I may be wrong about minor league deals or ML deals here, but I think here are some recent ones...

    Pedro Ciriaco, Mauro Gomez,  Aaron Cook, Darnell McDonald, Scott Atchison

     



    Also David Ortiz and Tim Wakefield.

     

     



    This board has already established that they're both bums. ;-)

     




    Careful, that statement was bordering on pikish... :-)

     
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    Well then, they can spend another $30,000 tomorrow and get someone else.

     



    My question is have any of these low risk gambles ever worked outnfor the Red Sox. The only one I can think of was Cody Ross and he was not a minor league deal but much more expensive.

     

     




     

    I may be wrong about minor league deals or ML deals here, but I think here are some recent ones...

    Pedro Ciriaco, Mauro Gomez,  Aaron Cook, Darnell McDonald, Scott Atchison

     



    Also David Ortiz and Tim Wakefield.

     

     



    This board has already established that they're both bums. ;-)

     

     




    Careful, that statement was bordering on pikish... :-)

     




    I may not agree with his methods, but it doesn't mean he's always wrong. ;-)

     
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    Well then, they can spend another $30,000 tomorrow and get someone else.

     



    My question is have any of these low risk gambles ever worked outnfor the Red Sox. The only one I can think of was Cody Ross and he was not a minor league deal but much more expensive.

     

     




     

    I may be wrong about minor league deals or ML deals here, but I think here are some recent ones...

    Pedro Ciriaco, Mauro Gomez,  Aaron Cook, Darnell McDonald, Scott Atchison

     



    Also David Ortiz and Tim Wakefield.

     

     



    This board has already established that they're both bums. ;-)

     

     




    Careful, that statement was bordering on pikish... :-)

     

     




    I may not agree with his methods, but it doesn't mean he's always wrong. ;-)

     




    I think you may be letting softlaw and ADG get to you a little bit. :-)

     
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    Careful, that statement was bordering on pikish... :-)

     

     

    I may not agree with his methods, but it doesn't mean he's always wrong. ;-)

     

     




    I think you may be letting softlaw and ADG get to you a little bit. :-)

     



    Nah, I tend to ignore most of their crap.

    Pike should probably do the same.

     
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    Re: Lyle Overbay Signed to a Minor League Deal by Red Sox

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    was really hoping the sox would aim higher than overbay. Logan Morrison would have been a good choice. I thought the idea was to find a left handed hitter who plays LF and 1B to spell gomes and napoli. Overbay cant play LF and is on the decline. 



    Overbay is nothing more than minor league depth.  Napoli isnt a platoon player, he is a clean up hitter.  We dont really need a backup 1B on the MLB roster.  If Napoli is injured, they will call up one of Overbay, Gomez.

    Re: the LF outfielder.  This is a 450 at-bat position (unless they play Gomes vs righties).  This is the player they are still trying to acquire.

    The good thing about Overbay is now they can focus on getting the best possible left-handed hitting LF and not the best possible left-handed hitting LF who can also play first base.

    Opens up our options a bit.  Although to be honest, Im not 100% sure that Overbay is ahead of Mauro Gomez on the depth chart.

     
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    Sounds like if Pike got hit by a bus tomorrow that you guys would have nothing to talk about.

     




    lets just put it this way. If you just disappeared and never came back to this forum, no one would wonder why your gone.

     



    Not true.

     
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    Well then, they can spend another $30,000 tomorrow and get someone else.

     



    My question is have any of these low risk gambles ever worked outnfor the Red Sox. The only one I can think of was Cody Ross and he was not a minor league deal but much more expensive.

     

     




     

    I may be wrong about minor league deals or ML deals here, but I think here are some recent ones...

    Pedro Ciriaco, Mauro Gomez,  Aaron Cook, Darnell McDonald, Scott Atchison



    Rich Hill, Scott Podsedick.  Also: there are many other former major league players, signed to minor league contracts who have provided great value to their teams.  Nate McClouth was very hot in Aug and September of last year and was one of the major reasons Bal made the playoffs.  Know how McClouth was acquired?

    Sign as many former major leaguers to minor league contracts as you can!!

     
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    I'd have preferred someone who could also play the OF, but this is decent enough insurance.

    More importantly, though, I hope that after getting Napoli down to one year Ben is already looking for a 1B solution for 2014 and beyond...unless the team believes Shaw will eventually be the answer, there isn't much there in terms of organizational depth.

     



    There are a number of players who may be moved to 1B soon: (One of two from) Cecchini, Middlebrooks, Bogaerts, Lavarnway, and maybe more...

     

     




    Cecchini hasn't really shown the pop you'd want from a 1B so far...

     

     



    No, but he may make up for it with unprecedented speed from that position. I'm not sure how well he fields 3B, but if he is better than Middlebrooks, we may move Midds to 1B and Cecchini's power at 3B is less of a differential.

     


    Name me one team that is looking for, or has every looked for speed from the 1B position? The answer is probably none.

     
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    I'd have preferred someone who could also play the OF, but this is decent enough insurance.

    More importantly, though, I hope that after getting Napoli down to one year Ben is already looking for a 1B solution for 2014 and beyond...unless the team believes Shaw will eventually be the answer, there isn't much there in terms of organizational depth.

     



    There are a number of players who may be moved to 1B soon: (One of two from) Cecchini, Middlebrooks, Bogaerts, Lavarnway, and maybe more...

     

     




    Cecchini hasn't really shown the pop you'd want from a 1B so far...

     

     



    No, but he may make up for it with unprecedented speed from that position. I'm not sure how well he fields 3B, but if he is better than Middlebrooks, we may move Midds to 1B and Cecchini's power at 3B is less of a differential.

     

     


    Name me one team that is looking for, or has every looked for speed from the 1B position? The answer is probably none.

     

     



    Paul Goldschmidt (but I see your point).  1B who can run should play RF.  

     

     
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    Well then, they can spend another $30,000 tomorrow and get someone else.

     



    My question is have any of these low risk gambles ever worked outnfor the Red Sox. The only one I can think of was Cody Ross and he was not a minor league deal but much more expensive.

     

     




     

    I may be wrong about minor league deals or ML deals here, but I think here are some recent ones...

    Pedro Ciriaco, Mauro Gomez,  Aaron Cook, Darnell McDonald, Scott Atchison

     



    Also David Ortiz and Tim Wakefield.

     



    I may be wrong, but wasn't Luis Tiant a minor league signing way back when?

     
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    No, but he may make up for it with unprecedented speed from that position. I'm not sure how well he fields 3B, but if he is better than Middlebrooks, we may move Midds to 1B and Cecchini's power at 3B is less of a differential.

     

     


    Name me one team that is looking for, or has every looked for speed from the 1B position? The answer is probably none.

     

     



    Paul Goldschmidt (but I see your point).  1B who can run should play RF. 

     

    Would it be such a terrible thing to break a paradigm every now and then. 

    I realize the reasoning behind using 1B as your position of great power, but if Cecchini can hit 15-18 HRs, get a bunch of DBLs, and also steal 50 bases, is he really a downgrade from a .245  35 HR hulk at 1B?

     
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    Well, maybe Lyle Overbay will make the squad.  That way, when Jason Bay (now with the Mariners) reaches first, and Lyle Overbay is playing first, Overbay appears over Bay on the TV screen.  




    made me laugh.  thanks.

     
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    No, but he may make up for it with unprecedented speed from that position. I'm not sure how well he fields 3B, but if he is better than Middlebrooks, we may move Midds to 1B and Cecchini's power at 3B is less of a differential.

     

     


    Name me one team that is looking for, or has every looked for speed from the 1B position? The answer is probably none.

     

     



    Paul Goldschmidt (but I see your point).  1B who can run should play RF. 

     

    Would it be such a terrible thing to break a paradigm every now and then. 

    I realize the reasoning behind using 1B as your position of great power, but if Cecchini can hit 15-18 HRs, get a bunch of DBLs, and also steal 50 bases, is he really a downgrade from a .245  35 HR hulk at 1B?

     



    Yes.  RBI's are twice more correlated with power than they are w/ BA.  Every year, Yankees finish somewhere in the 3-6 range for batting average, first in HRs , first in runs scored.

     

    You cannot have enough power.  

    Now if you have a masher at 3B, LF, RF, you can get away w/ a high OBP, athletic, defensive 1b.  However, the Red Sox, as currently constructed, do not have sufficient team power to get away with a 15 HR first baseman.

    You really need 2 30 HR guys, and 3 other 20 HR guys (or elite pitching)

     
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    I'd have preferred someone who could also play the OF, but this is decent enough insurance.

    More importantly, though, I hope that after getting Napoli down to one year Ben is already looking for a 1B solution for 2014 and beyond...unless the team believes Shaw will eventually be the answer, there isn't much there in terms of organizational depth.

     



    There are a number of players who may be moved to 1B soon: (One of two from) Cecchini, Middlebrooks, Bogaerts, Lavarnway, and maybe more...

     

     




    Cecchini hasn't really shown the pop you'd want from a 1B so far...

     

     



    No, but he may make up for it with unprecedented speed from that position. I'm not sure how well he fields 3B, but if he is better than Middlebrooks, we may move Midds to 1B and Cecchini's power at 3B is less of a differential.

     

     


    Name me one team that is looking for, or has every looked for speed from the 1B position? The answer is probably none.

     



    It happens

     

     

    How manu people realize Bill Buckner had more career SBs than HRs?

     
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    How manu people realize Bill Buckner had more career SBs than HRs?

    Bill never had more than 18 HRs, and he had over 14 only 4 times in 22 seasons.

    He had 31 and 28 SBs in his best 2 speed years in the mid 70's..

     
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    Now if you have a masher at 3B, LF, RF, you can get away w/ a high OBP, athletic, defensive 1b.  However, the Red Sox, as currently constructed, do not have sufficient team power to get away with a 15 HR first baseman.

    You really need 2 30 HR guys, and 3 other 20 HR guys (or elite pitching)

    I agree, but if Cecchini can hit 15-18 HRs, it's not like he has zero HRs. (AGon had only 18 last year.)

    Cecchini has 55 2B+3B in about 650 PAs on the farm  (.446 Slg%). That can drive in a lot of runs as well, but he will not likely be batting 3-6th.

     
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    Moon - 15-18HR? He hit a total of 3 in Lowell in 2011 and 4 in Greenville (in over 500AB). Dream on.

     
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    Moon - 15-18HR? He hit a total of 3 in Lowell in 2011 and 4 in Greenville (in over 500AB). Dream on.



    He's got the body type to develop a lot more power as he ages though.

     
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    Now if you have a masher at 3B, LF, RF, you can get away w/ a high OBP, athletic, defensive 1b.  However, the Red Sox, as currently constructed, do not have sufficient team power to get away with a 15 HR first baseman.

    You really need 2 30 HR guys, and 3 other 20 HR guys (or elite pitching)

    I agree, but if Cecchini can hit 15-18 HRs, it's not like he has zero HRs. (AGon had only 18 last year.)

    Cecchini has 55 2B+3B in about 650 PAs on the farm  (.446 Slg%). That can drive in a lot of runs as well, but he will not likely be batting 3-6th.



    Its about the rest of our team.  If in 2014 David Ortiz is still playing at a high level, Middlebrooks is hitting 25+, we find a couple of corner outfielders (internally or externally) hitting 25+, then I would be open to the idea of a non power hitting first baseman.

    However, as Ive said.  You need to have either mashers in teh middle, or 20 HR hitts 2-7 in your lineup.  Power is so important.  I think its the second most important element to team construction (behind only starting pitching).

    Out of the 5 teams with the most highest slg % last year (NYY, Tex, Mil, Col, LAA) , 4 were also top 5 of runs scored.  The only team that wasnt in the top 5 (Col) was sixth.

    The Yankees were 8th in BA last year, but were first in HR, 2nd in runs scored.  San Fran was fifth in average, but 12th in runs scored.  

    HR > Average.

    The problem with average is many things need to go right to create one run.  You need a hit.  Then a steal.  Then another hit.  Or a hit with 0 outs.  A sacrifice.  Another hit.

    HR's are instant runs (and often more than one at a time).

     
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    Overbay?  Good luck to him - I think his stay will be short and uneventful.

     
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    Overbay apparently has an opt-out clause if he does not make the team after Spring Training...

     
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    Overbay?  Good luck to him - I think his stay will be short and uneventful.

    Pretty much agree with you. With Milwaukee and Toronto he was a doubles machine, now it's close to the end of the line for him. His numbers with Arizona last year weren't bad but at Atlanta, where he had a cup of coffee and finished the season, he had 2 hits in 20 at-bats with 8 strike outs in his role as a pinch hitter. Maybe it's just me but I have a hard time thinking that the front office has done anything exciting this off-season.

     
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