Marvin Miller, A MLB fan's Worst Enemy

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    Thye should have played with the replacement players during the strike.... there is not a MLB under the age of 30 who wouldn't be playing today had that happened. 1995,96,97 would have been rough but eventually the young players would come up and some of the stars who missed the game or a pay check would return....

     

    They had the chance then and there to squash the union.

     
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    Re: Marvin Miller, A MLB fan's Worst Enemy

    Marvin first stop heaven, second HOF!

    On April 14, 2010, Miller's 93rd birthday, a group of former major leaguers launched a website called "ThanksMarvin.com." The site includes appreciations from retired players, and advocates for Miller's induction to the Hall of Fame. 

    One more vote for Marvin Miller for the Hall of Fame November 28, 2012 | By Peter Schmuck |  The Baltimore Sun  

    ((  Unfortunate name for the bright writer of this story! ))

     
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    Don't speak ill of the dead softhead. Didn't your momma ever teach you any manners?

     
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    If Miller didn't do it someone else would have.  Some things are inevitable.  Free agency in sports was one of them.

     
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    Re: Marvin Miller, A MLB fan's Worst Enemy

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    Thye should have played with the replacement players during the strike.... there is not a MLB under the age of 30 who wouldn't be playing today had that happened. 1995,96,97 would have been rough but eventually the young players would come up and some of the stars who missed the game or a pay check would return....

     

    They had the chance then and there to squash the union.

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    And squash professional baseball at the same time. No one would have come to see replacement players and the owners would have closed shop. And even if they survived, what would have prevented the players from forming a new union if/when they returned?

     
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    If Miller didn't do it someone else would have.  Some things are inevitable.  Free agency in sports was one of them.

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    that's the bottom line hfx

     like boras I give the man credit

    for being very good at doing his job

    no matter how unpopular it was
     

    that said I have more of a problem with him

    after he retired, for being so against the players union

    agreeing  to anything to do with  drug testing 

    at least he didn't wear a turtle neck ;-)

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    Should I interpret that to meant that you're opposed to drug testing??

     
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    Thye should have played with the replacement players during the strike.... there is not a MLB under the age of 30 who wouldn't be playing today had that happened. 1995,96,97 would have been rough but eventually the young players would come up and some of the stars who missed the game or a pay check would return....

     

    They had the chance then and there to squash the union.

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    And squash professional baseball at the same time. No one would have come to see replacement players and the owners would have closed shop. And even if they survived, what would have prevented the players from forming a new union if/when they returned?

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    People would have gone.... 

     
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    Thye should have played with the replacement players during the strike.... there is not a MLB under the age of 30 who wouldn't be playing today had that happened. 1995,96,97 would have been rough but eventually the young players would come up and some of the stars who missed the game or a pay check would return....

     

    They had the chance then and there to squash the union.

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    And squash professional baseball at the same time. No one would have come to see replacement players and the owners would have closed shop. And even if they survived, what would have prevented the players from forming a new union if/when they returned?

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    People would have gone.... 

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    What people? Why do people follow professional sports? For the pure enjoyment of the game or to see big stars strut their stuff? Purist fans alone cannot support professional sports.

     
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    Re: Marvin Miller, A MLB fan's Worst Enemy

    How well-attended were the NFL scab games?

     
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    If Miller didn't do it someone else would have.  Some things are inevitable.  Free agency in sports was one of them.

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    that's the bottom line hfx

     like boras I give the man credit

    for being very good at doing his job

    no matter how unpopular it was
     

    that said I have more of a problem with him

    after he retired, for being so against the players union

    agreeing  to anything to do with  drug testing 

    at least he didn't wear a turtle neck ;-)

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    Should I interpret that to meant that you're opposed to drug testing??

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    I misread that the first time too.  I think he's saying he's opposed to the fact that Miller did not like the union agreeing to any drug testing.

     
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    Re: Marvin Miller, A MLB fan's Worst Enemy

    Not sure how someone (Softy) can wax on constantly about free markets, railing against restrictions on them, and then cry foul when those that drive a multi-billion dollar industry stand up to remove the restrictions on their ability to profit proportionally.  

     
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    Not sure how someone (Softy) can wax on constantly about free markets, railing against restrictions on them, and then cry foul when those that drive a multi-billion dollar industry stand up to remove the restrictions on their ability to profit proportionally.  

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    He's not a serious poster, it's just a contstant cry for attention.

     
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    Not sure how someone (Softy) can wax on constantly about free markets, railing against restrictions on them, and then cry foul when those that drive a multi-billion dollar industry stand up to remove the restrictions on their ability to profit proportionally.  

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    Probably because right-wingers' alleged affinity for free markets, fiscal responsibility, and the like is rarely sincere or consistent (see the administration of Bush, George W).

     
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    Re: Marvin Miller, A MLB fan's Worst Enemy

    Its your cousin, MARVIN Miller

     
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    Not sure how someone (Softy) can wax on constantly about free markets, railing against restrictions on them, and then cry foul when those that drive a multi-billion dollar industry stand up to remove the restrictions on their ability to profit proportionally.  

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    He's not a serious poster, it's just a contstant cry for attention.

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    Granted.  However, this fact does not inhibit my desire to point out his idiot pseudo-right hypocrisies.

     
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    Just don't be a hypocrite and praise Miller , while complaining about big market teams , spoiled players ,  the price of tickets , concessions, souvenirs , TV sports packages , etc.   It all goes hand in hand.

     
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    Just don't be a hypocrite and praise Miller , while complaining about big market teams , spoiled players ,  the price of tickets , concessions, souvenirs , TV sports packages , etc.   It all goes hand in hand.

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    Exactly, gale. Can't have one, without the others.

     
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    Just don't be a hypocrite and praise Miller , while complaining about big market teams , spoiled players ,  the price of tickets , concessions, souvenirs , TV sports packages , etc.   It all goes hand in hand.

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    Exactly, gale. Can't have one, without the others.

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    Thank you.

     
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    Just don't be a hypocrite and praise Miller , while complaining about big market teams , spoiled players ,  the price of tickets , concessions, souvenirs , TV sports packages , etc.   It all goes hand in hand.

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    No doubt.

     
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    In response to dgalehouse's comment:
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    Just don't be a hypocrite and praise Miller , while complaining about big market teams , spoiled players ,  the price of tickets , concessions, souvenirs , TV sports packages , etc.   It all goes hand in hand.

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    Exactly, gale. Can't have one, without the others.

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    Thank you.

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    Bob Neumeier reporting Miller's death on Bostoncomcast sports, said he couldn't understand why Miller hadn't been inducted into the HOF. Did he make the game better for the players....absolutely. Not so much for the fans or the game, as a whole.

     
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    Terrible damage to the entertainment value for MLB fans. It is very important for GM's to understand what labor value and fit is. So far, they are in the infant stage of understanding that, as well as developing baseball talent at a very young age. To the extent they advance in that regard, the better the entertainment value to the fans.

    BJ Upton reinforces the fact that they have not advanced, at all.

    [/QUOTE]Thanks to Miller and Flood the players got their freedom which resulted in big pay days for them. Fans on the other hand were dealt a low blow. Unless you're a fan of a big market club you can pretty much forget about seeing a home playoff game. IMO todays game would be better off without Miller and Flood's contribution.


                

     
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