Matsuzaka is a disgrace

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    marc302:  "As far as Lackey, tade him with Matsuzaka and a prospect for King Felix. "

    Why would Seattle even consider that?  Comical.  Two overpaid underperformers and a prospect?

    If and when they ever trade Felix, they will clean house, netting 4-5 prospects overall, with at least 1-2 who are already priving them selves at MLB level, but are signed below market value.

    Not saying that's a fair deal, but that's what they will command.
     
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    This guy knows what he is doing...hoping the Red Sox to trade or release him.
     
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    The most significant issue that stood out from last noght's game was that Matsuzaka just falt out quit. I do not know of any pitcher that woul n't adjust something after being smoked three times in an inning. He kept throwing off speed batting practice when he had a93mph fast ball. Frankly, if team hit when I pitched in college or even high school someone was getting a country fastball high and tight....maybe even two. This guy has asolutley no heart. I am not talking about work ethic. Just no game fire. I am tired of O'l Wakefield losing credability every year, then having to come in and cleaning up the past few years. Put him between Lester and Becket and that will keep teams way off balance from, one game to the next. As far as Lackey, tade him with Matsuzaka and a prospect for King Felix.
     
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    I am surprised so many are ready to dump him.  I say give him two or three more starts before deciding to dump him. If he continues to be bad that's all you can do is cut him because no one will be interested. Not like his trade value is going to change. Lackey, to me is a greater concern. Bringing him here we were all told he was the #2. Really??? Did any scout see him pitch before they brought him here? If so they should be fired. He is nothing more then a glorified batting practice pitcher.
    And what will you do to replace Dice-K? You have Wakefield in the wings for Dice K's spot in the rotation? WOW .. no wonder this team is going to continue to have problems.
     
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    I will give you two egg rolls for dice.

    That's the best I can do.
     
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    Next outing: 7IP, 2H, 1R, 1ER, 2BB, 7K. The enigma will continue!!
     
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    When I posted here two years ago stating that this National Treasure, or as I called him Muchowalka, was a piece of crap, most people here called me a moron, or worse.  I'm glad people are finally seeing him for what he has always been, a piece of crap.

    I would now like to give him a more appropriate nickname, Muchohomer.

    For those of you true die-hard Dice-Fans: the odds of him ever becoming a servicable pitcher for the Sox, or any other MLB team, is about even with my hitting the Mega Million Jackpot!!!  Take that to the bank.
     
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    I agree with most that say cut your losses. As far as the money goes it is gone anyway you look at it. Almost anyone on the mound in Pawtucket would be better right now. Also the Sox have got to stop playing nice with old Wakey. I know he's a great guy in the locker room and does a lot in the community. He deserves great credit for that and I applaud him for it. But that doesn't feed the bulldog on the field. Scott Atchison did a decent job last year and quite frankly deserves the spot in the bullpen. Lastly, has anyone noticed Youk seems to be taking pitches right down the middle. I know he is a patient hitter and draws a lot of walks but when your hitting cleanup you need to drive runs in. He seems to be letting some very hittable pitches go by.
     
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    What you saw last night is what you will get for every Dice-K appearance. Low innings, high runs and an overused bullpen. Wakefield is too inconsistent for reliable bullpen duty. He's great for mop-up, that's about it.  So what happens when Beckett throws another clunker - and it will happen - and depletes the bullpen the night before Dice-K's next start?

    I say trade/ DFA Dice-K and start Aceves.


     
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    Dice-K needs a change of scenery.  Regardless of what the problem is, you have to think pitching closer to home (west coast) and maybe on an NL team will bring out the best in him.    I am sure he is worried about what happened in Japan, he gave a million bucks to that relief effort.   It is a small country, and it is his home.

    But he will never be a good pitcher in Boston again.  

    Wake has value ... he goes out on any day and will take the ball for multiple innings.  You NEED a mop-up guy, an innings eater, for games like last night.   And he costs relatively little.  
     
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    Dice K is not tradable for anything but a headache in return. The game has changed esp this early in the in the season. The bad teams have zero fans (low revenue) good teams or hopeful teams know he could be waived if not wait until he even does worse.
    The issue though is beyond pitching really only two runs that last night mattered against a rookie. Pitching is tough all across the division bats need to wake up.

     
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    I'd be distracted too, knowing my mother's relatives are near Fukushima Dai-Ichi......
     
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    People, ENOUGH with the earthquake/tsunami/nuclear distraction theory. I'm pretty sure Dice-K was useless well before that unfortunate tragedy.

    He seems like a stubborn individual who had no desire to learn the ways of America. He wanted his millions, no different than anyone else.
     
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    Don't forget that Matsuzaka has a "no trade" clause.  He will determine whether or not he is ever traded.  If he is designated for assignment or placed on waivers, Henry would have to pay his salary to play elsewhere like he did with Renteria, Penny, Smoltz and Lugo.  It's a "no win" situation without an easy solution.  Fans and media want to see him gone, but it will expensive and ultimately a PR disaster if and when it happens.  It's not the Sox fault, but no Japanese player will ever want to play in Boston in the future based on how Dice K (the National Treasure) and Okajima were handled and treated.  All of the goodwill and expansion of the fan base into the Pacific Rim will be gone. 
     
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    Cut him some slack

    Yes, Dice has been a dissapointment and it was a bad move by the front office to get him but I was at the game last night and refused to boo him.  The guy is human and his mother-land just is going through one of biggest natural disasters in history...
     
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    Everyone is correct.  He needs to go.

    But, I do wonder, there is something regarding culture differences that might have affected him (for ex. being thousand of miles away from home, Japanese baseballs being a bit smaller than MLB, nobody to "vent" to - he just has his translator)  This is not someone who came from a small town of Kansas...he came from a totally different culture.

    But then again, Ichiro is a superstar! 

     
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    Theo (or The-zero as we like to call him in my condo...) paid 2x what the next closest (NYY) competitor offered for Daisucko.

    The fact that the Diva succeeded at all is a miracle.

    His suckage is on The-zero's hands.
     
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    jamesey 271975 hits it right on sweet spot. this guy is a bum. never has shown me a thing -effort or ability!! most overrated Red Sock ever from Billy Consolo to the present. leave Wakefield out of this!! he's as class an act as this town has ever seen in sports-if you think he's pathetic check out what you see in the mirror!!!!!
     
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    Dice-K's contract does not permit demotion to AAA or for that matter the GCL where he belongs.  Time to say goodbye and wish him nothing but the best.  If he can go pitch well for the Dodgers or Mets goes 200 innings (in a single year), ERA less than 4.0 then good for him. 

    Don't fault Boras with this contract.  'Sox management wanted this guy and paid a posting fee in excess of $50 million.  Yankees got stuck with Kei Igawa (spelling?) and were smart enough to bury him in the minors....
     
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    Observer 157, on the money! Curt Young just got DiceK to change his pitching routine between starts. DiceK was solid in 2007 on the title team, marginal in 2008, and poor in 2009 and 2010 which can abe attributed some to injuries and trying to tun on him to change his Japanese training and preparation approach. The Red Sox share fault in DiceK's struggles after 2007 and 2008.

    but the bullpen yielded nine runs over seven innings to a team that had scored only 20 runs in its first nine games.

    The pitching problems run far deeper than Daisuke Matsuzaka.

    Hill, you fail to point out that Beckett was lights out in his last start, and Lester was also quite strong. Last night, Aceves was decent in a mop up role and has the ability to be a marinal bottom end starter. If Buch returns to anything close to 2010 form, the Red Sox will win the division. I want you to make a note of that Hill, as a concerned trolling Yankees fan.

     
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    It's not so much a disgrace as it is an inability to play at the level necessary to win. There's nothing disgraceful about not being able to play anymore. Now, stupidity is another matter. The Sox can be accused of that in hindsight for doling out the money they did to get the guy in the first place - oh well! It's not our $$$.
     
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    In Response to Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Matsuzaka is a disgrace : I may agree if your english grammar was up to par with your thoughts. 
    Posted by readsocks[/QUOTE


    The English looks fine to me, expect yours ... the verb when faced with supposition is WERE, as in "WERE up to par with your thoughts" or "if I WERE a rich man.


     
  23. You have chosen to ignore posts from KingOSmakk. Show KingOSmakk's posts

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    He's a diva, which is just shorthand for saying he's a "sensitive genius".

    I'd send him to Seattle for 3 jumbo Starbucks latte's so he can room with Itchy. 
     
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    He is, and if he wants to honor his reputation, his few remaining fans and any chance at playing in MLB again, he should work hard to pitch better. I think the team doesn't owe him another start. He has to prove he can do the job out there or he won't be pitching again in the uniform.

    The only reason I wouldn't outright release him is that I don't think he is as bad as that performance last night. It almost seems like he purposefully left all those pitches middle-in, out of blind faith even though he knew there wouldn't be success. He might not be good again until September, but if he comes back then, or has a few sucessful months in the bullpen, its better than nothing.
     
    It could be he just wants to nibble and throw 200 pitches in a game.  That just doesn't work over here. But there's little risk in just bringing him to mop-up, barring a better option.  An injury to give him time in the minors and a DL stint would be better. So would some weird psychological diagnosis that gives him time off, to go back to Japan or whatever.

    The team actually has bigger problems right now anyway.

     
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    The year he won 17 games his pitch counts were too high and he rarely made it past the sixth inning but he won 17 games! The Red Sox then set out to fix him and completely broke him. Dice-K can’t pitch to contact, his stuff isn’t that good. He is “effective” when he nibbles the corners and frustrates the hitters by not giving them anything to hit. Conventional wisdom in baseball is throw strikes, that doesn’t work for Dice-K. Let him do it his way, let him run up the pitch count and maybe you can still get something from him. Force him to do it the MLB way and you end up with a guy who isn’t even an effective fifth starter. What a waste.
     
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