Dice-K needs a change of scenery. Regardless of what the problem is, you have to think pitching closer to home (west coast) and maybe on an NL team will bring out the best in him. I am sure he is worried about what happened in Japan, he gave a million bucks to that relief effort. It is a small country, and it is his home.
But he will never be a good pitcher in Boston again.
Wake has value ... he goes out on any day and will take the ball for multiple innings. You NEED a mop-up guy, an innings eater, for games like last night. And he costs relatively little.
Matsuzaka is a disgrace
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Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- soxmeister
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Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- youngparisians
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What you saw last night is what you will get for every Dice-K appearance. Low innings, high runs and an overused bullpen. Wakefield is too inconsistent for reliable bullpen duty. He's great for mop-up, that's about it. So what happens when Beckett throws another clunker - and it will happen - and depletes the bullpen the night before Dice-K's next start?
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Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- geezerinmn
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He'll get another two or three starts, and if there's no improvement, they'll put him on the DL because of a strained shoulder/arm/elbow/back.... -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- grabbo
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I agree with most that say cut your losses. As far as the money goes it is gone anyway you look at it. Almost anyone on the mound in Pawtucket would be better right now. Also the Sox have got to stop playing nice with old Wakey. I know he's a great guy in the locker room and does a lot in the community. He deserves great credit for that and I applaud him for it. But that doesn't feed the bulldog on the field. Scott Atchison did a decent job last year and quite frankly deserves the spot in the bullpen. Lastly, has anyone noticed Youk seems to be taking pitches right down the middle. I know he is a patient hitter and draws a lot of walks but when your hitting cleanup you need to drive runs in. He seems to be letting some very hittable pitches go by. -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- AL34
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Completely agree with you. Wakefield was great and is involved with the charities in Boston but it is clearly time for him to go as well. The Matsusaka money is gone, maybe you can flip him for another bad pitcher contract and see what happens. This team has to get better and in a hurry before they dig a hole that they will get the bends trying to get out of !
In Response to Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace:I agree with most that say cut your losses. As far as the money goes it is gone anyway you look at it. Almost anyone on the mound in Pawtucket would be better right now. Also the Sox have got to stop playing nice with old Wakey. I know he's a great guy in the locker room and does a lot in the community. He deserves great credit for that and I applaud him for it. But that doesn't feed the bulldog on the field. Scott Atchison did a decent job last year and quite frankly deserves the spot in the bullpen. Lastly, has anyone noticed Youk seems to be taking pitches right down the middle. I know he is a patient hitter and draws a lot of walks but when your hitting cleanup you need to drive runs in. He seems to be letting some very hittable pitches go by.
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Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- realbz
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When I posted here two years ago stating that this National Treasure, or as I called him Muchowalka, was a piece of crap, most people here called me a moron, or worse. I'm glad people are finally seeing him for what he has always been, a piece of crap.
I would now like to give him a more appropriate nickname, Muchohomer.
For those of you true die-hard Dice-Fans: the odds of him ever becoming a servicable pitcher for the Sox, or any other MLB team, is about even with my hitting the Mega Million Jackpot!!! Take that to the bank. -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- bwhallett
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Next outing: 7IP, 2H, 1R, 1ER, 2BB, 7K. The enigma will continue!! -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- LeroyBrownn
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I will give you two egg rolls for dice.
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Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- FNewhall65
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I am surprised so many are ready to dump him. I say give him two or three more starts before deciding to dump him. If he continues to be bad that's all you can do is cut him because no one will be interested. Not like his trade value is going to change. Lackey, to me is a greater concern. Bringing him here we were all told he was the #2. Really??? Did any scout see him pitch before they brought him here? If so they should be fired. He is nothing more then a glorified batting practice pitcher.
And what will you do to replace Dice-K? You have Wakefield in the wings for Dice K's spot in the rotation? WOW .. no wonder this team is going to continue to have problems. -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- marc302
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The most significant issue that stood out from last noght's game was that Matsuzaka just falt out quit. I do not know of any pitcher that woul n't adjust something after being smoked three times in an inning. He kept throwing off speed batting practice when he had a93mph fast ball. Frankly, if team hit when I pitched in college or even high school someone was getting a country fastball high and tight....maybe even two. This guy has asolutley no heart. I am not talking about work ethic. Just no game fire. I am tired of O'l Wakefield losing credability every year, then having to come in and cleaning up the past few years. Put him between Lester and Becket and that will keep teams way off balance from, one game to the next. As far as Lackey, tade him with Matsuzaka and a prospect for King Felix. -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
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This guy knows what he is doing...hoping the Red Sox to trade or release him. -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace:In Response to Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace : [QUOTE]In Response to Matsuzaka is a disgrace : I may agree if your english grammar was up to par with your thoughts. Posted by readsocks[/QUOTE The English looks fine to me, expect yours ... the verb when faced with supposition is WERE, as in "WERE up to par with your thoughts" or "if I WERE a rich man.
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Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- KingOSmakk
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marc302: "As far as Lackey, tade him with Matsuzaka and a prospect for King Felix. "
Why would Seattle even consider that? Comical. Two overpaid underperformers and a prospect?
If and when they ever trade Felix, they will clean house, netting 4-5 prospects overall, with at least 1-2 who are already priving them selves at MLB level, but are signed below market value.
Not saying that's a fair deal, but that's what they will command. -
Poor Daisuke
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- rowseman
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This poor guy is in a foreign land, his homeland is in one of the worst crises of modern times, and he can't get hitters out. Let the poor S*O*B go back to Japan; the great experiment has clearly gone awry. -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- LeroyBrownn
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I think disgrace is kind of strong.
Can we change that to "total disaster"? -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- SpacemanEephus
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In Response to Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace:I am surprised so many are ready to dump him. I say give him two or three more starts before deciding to dump him. If he continues to be bad that's all you can do is cut him because no one will be interested. Not like his trade value is going to change. Lackey, to me is a greater concern. Bringing him here we were all told he was the #2. Really??? Did any scout see him pitch before they brought him here? If so they should be fired. He is nothing more then a glorified batting practice pitcher. And what will you do to replace Dice-K? You have Wakefield in the wings for Dice K's spot in the rotation? WOW .. no wonder this team is going to continue to have problems.
Posted by FNewhall65Agreed. Dice is an enigma and oft-times a train wreck, but we've seen him get it going real nice (even in the midst of this last horrid two year stretch, he pitched great when he came back from exile in the fall of 09). Lackey, though, I just don't know what he has to get people out on a consistent basis. -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- kayfbee
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One post-game commentator said Sox have made Dice-K the pitcher they want, with their routines instead of letting him pitch as he did in Japan and perhaps they should let him follow the routine he had when he arrived. Japanese pitchers are not usually fastball pitchers. They rely heavily on a variety of breaking balls. Ands they throw a lot more often, on the side, than do American throwers.Why does FranCOMA persist in leaving on the mound guys who don't have it on a given night He should borrow from "Capt. Hook" and pull them more quickly.That's my complaint with Terry.If the Sox hit with runners on base they'd be a lot better than 2-8.Would seem to me Ortiz, Drew and Gonzales should be trying to go to the off-field and maybe foil those shifts into which they are hitting. -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- southernsox
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Bring back oil can boyd...
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Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- vertmont
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Dice has never been the same since he played for Japan in the Worlds. Remeber the Sox's do have a new pitching coach. -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- Natick-Ned
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For some reason this ADG has a real knack for starting threads that get many responses. It this a God-given gift or did he go to school for this skill? I've seen other threads that were full of statistics, thought, imagination, and insight, that went nowhere. It must be an art to be so magnetic and successful. Hats off to ADG. -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- lifelongsoxdawg
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My 1st choice would be Aceves who has MLB experience and pitched well while with the Yankee's until he got injured. So, he has proven that he can pitch in the AL East. Doubront, on the other hand, is not quite ready to face AL East hitting on a regular basis and right now I don't believe it would be a good decision to throw him under the bus. Let's keep him in the bullpen and give him the opportunity to work on his skills and develop the mental makeup necessary to insert him into the starting rotation
Much like Dice K, Wakefield had been getting hammered as well lately. Dice K no longer has the mental makeup to pitch in the majors. Wakefield has had a terrific career but it is time for him to hang it up and move on. Actually, I was surprised that he was re-signed by the Red Sox.
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Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- Gready
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In Response to Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace:The thing abot MDice K is people talk about his great stuff. Ive never seen great stuff from him. He has ZERO command, its either 2 ft out of the zone or pinpoint in the middle of it. I dont think hes not trying, i just dont think he ever had the talent to be a big league pitcher.
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Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- LeroyBrownn
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Daisucko isnt a disgrace.Just another over-hyped product of Theo and Fatty Bill James. -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- BaseballGM
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Of course you aren't, because you have agrandized the current staff ERA. Your point is to be a concern troll. It's a tired old act. -
Re: Matsuzaka is a disgrace
posted at 4/13/2011 3:28 PM EDT
- BaseballGM
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Hill, you do realize that those 10 game stats will be meaningless at year end. I'll bet you your crediblity that the Red Sox pen and starting pitching staff finished in the top half of the AL by season end. My guess is that you won't take that bet, and are simply a trolling concerned Yankee fan.