Matt Kemp True Superstar! FA 2013

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    Matt Kemp True Superstar! FA 2013

    32 Homers
    100 RBI's
    .323 BA
    .392 OBP
    .579 Slugging
    .970 OPS
    168 OPS +
    33 Steals  CS 7  82%

    .945 2008 -2010 OPS v. LP  .610 2011 OPS v LP !

    Other than being a pink hat and most Boston fans downer, a perfect long term fit for Boston!  If it was Kemp, now, instead of Ellsbury, Red Sox would not be underdogs if two teams meet in 2011 WS.

    Kemp has aid of two feared hitters, the great James Loney and Juan Rivera.
     
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    Career year fool's gold written all over it.  His 2011 OPS is 130+ points above his middling career OPS.
     
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    Let's sign everybody.  We deserve all stars at every position.  We shouldn't have to compete.  We're the New York Yan, um... Boston Red Sox.  Let's keep Ells here, straighten out CC, etc.

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    32 Homers 100 RBI's .323 BA .392 OBP .579 Slugging .970 OPS 168 OPS + 33 Steals  CS 7  82% .945 2008 -2010 OPS v. LP  .610 2011 OPS v LP ! Other than being a pink hat and most Boston fans downer, a perfect long term fit for Boston!  If it was Kemp, now, instead of Ellsbury, Red Sox would not be underdogs if two teams meet in 2011 WS. Kemp has aid of two feared hitters, the great James Loney and Juan Rivera.
    Posted by S0ftl@w

     
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    Like Kemp's numbers, sure. But why in heaven's name would Dodgers part with most marketable star ?

    And with Ellsbury having made the leap to elite cf status, igniting the lineup, scoring runs AND driving them in, playing stellar defense, what could possibly cause ANY intelligent poster to want to get rid of him ?

    Oh...that's right, it's Softy.....the same GENIUS who claimed on an earlier thread that Ellsbury wasn't ON the 2007 Sox team.
    Hey guy, go sell crazy somewhere else, we're full up here !
     
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    Jimed, I agree with you; he is crazy. Sorry about the mother jokes.  I'm actually pretty moderate politically, but hate the stereotyping involving liberals and conservatives.
     
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    Jimed, I agree with you; he is crazy. Sorry about the mother jokes.  I'm actually pretty moderate politically, but hate the stereotyping involving liberals and conservatives.
    Posted by frankn

    S'all good. Commenting here invites open season, IMO.

    And I made mistake of bringing politics to a BASEBALL site, LOL.
     
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    In Response to Matt Kemp True Superstar! FA 2013:
    32 Homers 100 RBI's .323 BA .392 OBP .579 Slugging .970 OPS 168 OPS + 33 Steals  CS 7  82% .945 2008 -2010 OPS v. LP  .610 2011 OPS v LP ! Other than being a pink hat and most Boston fans downer, a perfect long term fit for Boston!  If it was Kemp, now, instead of Ellsbury, Red Sox would not be underdogs if two teams meet in 2011 WS. Kemp has aid of two feared hitters, the great James Loney and Juan Rivera.
    Posted by S0ftl@w


    and this guy is going to come cheap because you want him in boston?
     
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    Wow, softy's post was brilliant. Matt Kemp is an excellent player. Truly shocking news. Who knew? What insight. It's amazing that no fan, no baseball analyst, GM, etc. knew that. It must have taken good ol' softy hundreds of hours, searching boxscores, record books, etc. to dig up that fact. He must be exhausted after all that research.

    Of course, it does bring up an interesting question. If Kemp is that much better han Ellsbury, why would the Dodgers want to trade him, especially for a Boras client?
     
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     If Kemp is that much better han Ellsbury, why would the Dodgers want to trade him, especially for a Boras client?

    1. Kemp is younger and that much better in every facet of the game. Put Ellsbury with current Dodgers and his hype balloon pops. Put Kemp with Agon and you have all-time great combo in baseball type of material

    2. Kemp is a FA in one year, dim bulb.

    3. Dodgers would ask for more than 2 years of wonder boy, and Red Sox have blocked young parts to close the deal with ease.

    4. Dodgers get Ellsbury for 2 and 6 to 7M a year plus two or three young talents that take them past year Kemp goes to Yankees via FA. Dodgers get more balanced and better and cut payroll for pitching FA needs in NL ball.

    5. Red Sox are loaded with lefty quality value CF profiles Kalish and Reddick. Hole is corner Rh young slugger OFer.

    6. With Crawford, not one more dime should go towards 12 to 14M Ellsbury will cost for final 2 years. Crawford 2012 will be Crawford career average within standard deviation, not Crawford 2011. Ellsbury 2012 will not be Ellsbury 2011 but will be career averages within standard deviation. Wear and tear of 2011 after year off to refresh will not produce 2011 again. 

    7. Red Sox are not going to give Ellsbury a Crawford debacle wheelchair contract.

    8. If Red Sox do not full court press and trade and extend Kemp, he will join Tex and the Yankees via trade and extension or FA 
     
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    Forget about Els for second, why WOULDN'T the Sox take a shot at Kemp?   Dodgers have problems, resigning him might be tough to impossible.   

    Boston has money, they can afford him.   Guess we'll see ....
     
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     If Kemp is that much better han Ellsbury, why would the Dodgers want to trade him, especially for a Boras client? 1. Kemp is younger and that much better in every facet of the game. Put Ellsbury with current Dodgers and his hype balloon pops. Put Kemp with Agon and you have all-time great combo in baseball type of material 2. Kemp is a FA in one year, dim bulb. 3. Dodgers would ask for more than 2 years of wonder boy, and Red Sox have blocked young parts to close the deal with ease. 4. Dodgers get Ellsbury for 2 and 6 to 7M a year plus two or three young talents that take them past year Kemp goes to Yankees via FA. Dodgers get more balanced and better and cut payroll for pitching FA needs in NL ball. 5. Red Sox are loaded with lefty quality value CF profiles Kalish and Reddick. Hole is corner Rh young slugger OFer. 6. With Crawford, not one more dime should go towards 12 to 14M Ellsbury will cost for final 2 years. Crawford 2012 will be Crawford career average within standard deviation, not Crawford 2011. Ellsbury 2012 will not be Ellsbury 2011 but will be career averages within standard deviation. Wear and tear of 2011 after year off to refresh will not produce 2011 again.  7. Red Sox are not going to give Ellsbury a Crawford debacle wheelchair contract. 8. If Red Sox do not full court press and trade and extend Kemp, he will join Tex and the Yankees via trade and extension or FA 
    Posted by S0ftl@w


    Now try answering the question. I didn't ask why should the Red Sox should trade Ellsbury?

    I asked -- If Kemp is younger and so much better in every facet of the game than Ellsbury, why should the Dodgers trade Kemp for a lesser player?

    The best you can do is Kemp is a FA after 2012. So the Dodger should make the trade for a lesser and older player simply for an extra year? (Ellsbury is a FA after 2013.) If the Dodgers can't afford to extend Kemp, how can they afford Ellsbury, who with Boras as his agent, will ask for a Crawford-type deal.

    It seems to me, you made the case above as to why the Dodgers shouldn't trade Kemp. (Oh, and Ellsbury is all of 1 year, 12 days older than Kemp. WOW, big difference).

    And with Selig trying to force out McCourt and sell the Dodgers, why should the Dodgers get rid of a marquee player that would be attractive for a new owner.
     
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    True. Its the Ellsbury love fest. Agon is what makes this team go, yet Ellsbury is getting more hype. Ellsbury is not a superstar, Agon is. Kemp is a superstar. Kemp is a long term fit, Ellsbury is not, because of Crawford. About as obvious as the essential move to trade for Agon last winter. had they not done that, they are struggling to make playoffs over AL West and Ellsbury return hype never takes place.

    Kemp would have a balance of power affect if lands in NY or Boston. Ellsbury most certainly does not, anymore than Crawford career average would.
     
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    True. Its the Ellsbury love fest. Agon is what makes this team go, yet Ellsbury is getting more hype. Ellsbury is not a superstar, Agon is. Kemp is a superstar. Kemp is a long term fit, Ellsbury is not, because of Crawford. About as obvious as the essential move to trade for Agon last winter. had they not done that, they are struggling to make playoffs over AL West and Ellsbury return hype never takes place. Kemp would have a balance of power affect if lands in NY or Boston. Ellsbury most certainly does not, anymore than Crawford career average would.
    Posted by S0ftl@w

    Kemp would not sway the balance hat best be the 4 or 5 best player on either team. Cano, Texiera, ARod, Gonzalez, Youk, Pedroia, and Ortiz all would have bigger impacts on there teams, even if you left out there current CFers.
     
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    Roy, don't patronize me!

    Dodgers get Ellsbury for 2 and 6 to 7M a year plus two or three young talents that take them past year Kemp goes to Yankees via FA

    Ellsbury has 2 years of control at cost of 6-7 per year.

    Kemp has just 1 year of control at a cost of 10 to 12M.

    Ellsbury is a NL profile and good 2 year fit, plus additional young talent that would help Dodgers balance a weak lineup.
     
    Roy, are you saying Dodgers should keep Kemp to FA?
     
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    In Response to Matt Kemp True Superstar! FA 2013:
    32 Homers 100 RBI's .323 BA .392 OBP .579 Slugging .970 OPS 168 OPS + 33 Steals  CS 7  82% .945 2008 -2010 OPS v. LP  .610 2011 OPS v LP ! Other than being a pink hat and most Boston fans downer, a perfect long term fit for Boston!  If it was Kemp, now, instead of Ellsbury, Red Sox would not be underdogs if two teams meet in 2011 WS. Kemp has aid of two feared hitters, the great James Loney and Juan Rivera.
    Posted by S0ftl@w


    YOU ARE SO FULL OF CRAP!!  Matt Kemp is an outstanding player who I would love to have in a corner of position for Boston.  But, to put down Ellsbury for him is stupid!!   Yes, really stupid!!  If the new LA gm wants to make a trade, I would do it to fill RF(but, I am happy with Reddick!)  or trade crawford and bucks for him!


     
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    He's obviously jucing.

     
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    No way Crawford is traded for bucks. Kemp will be traded or join Yankees. Ellsbury and Crawford is a waste of money, and going up next 2 years for a player who will not be a FA Boston contract Crawford debacle part 2.
     
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    In Response to Re: Matt Kemp True Superstar! FA 2013:
    Roy, don't patronize me! Dodgers get Ellsbury for 2 and 6 to 7M a year plus two or three young talents that take them past year Kemp goes to Yankees via FA Ellsbury has 2 years of control at cost of 6-7 per year. Kemp has just 1 year of control at a cost of 10 to 12M. Ellsbury is a NL profile and good 2 year fit, plus additional young talent that would help Dodgers balance a weak lineup.   Roy, are you saying Dodgers should keep Kemp to FA?
    Posted by S0ftl@w


    Why wouldn't the Dodgers re-sign Kemp? McCourt's not long for LA and wouldn't a new owner want to build around a marquee player like Kemp? Despite the current woes because of McCourt, the Dodgers are a major market that can't keep their stars.
     
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    In Response to Matt Kemp True Superstar! FA 2013:
    32 Homers 100 RBI's .323 BA .392 OBP .579 Slugging .970 OPS 168 OPS + 33 Steals  CS 7  82% .945 2008 -2010 OPS v. LP  .610 2011 OPS v LP ! Other than being a pink hat and most Boston fans downer, a perfect long term fit for Boston!  If it was Kemp, now, instead of Ellsbury, Red Sox would not be underdogs if two teams meet in 2011 WS. Kemp has aid of two feared hitters, the great James Loney and Juan Rivera.
    Posted by S0ftl@w


    So......   Your point is......  There are very few MLB OF's with better stats than Ells????  

    Good point Softy!  Thank you for making our point.  Why don't you give us a list of better hitting, top of the order, MLB OF's????

    Are there a few?  Sure!  But!!!  I guess your point is, as you are finally admitting, that Ells. is one of the best in the MLB. 

    Glad you finally realize how stupid you have sounded all year long :)

    Nice compliment comparing him to the best!   :)
     
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    I'd love to see Matt Kemp in RF here in Boston, but I'd rather have Ellsbury here long term.  Let's take a look at career numbers.

    297/351/437 - (.357 wOBA)
    292/346/491 - (.361 wOBA)

    Pretty similar.  Jacoby is the first one.  Clearly Jacboy doesn't have quite the power that Kemp does, but Kemp has a K% of 23.3% vs Jacoby's 12.4%.  Jacoby also lives off of a career .323 BABIP vs Kemp's ridiculous .350.  Now, I know hitters have more control over BABIP than pitchers do, but if he were to keep that up it would place him 14th in career BABIP of all time.  I just don't see that continuing.  The man also has no business in CF (where Ells plays) so I don't understand why you think Kemp needs to replace Jacoby.  Personally I'd love to see both of them on the Sox, but there's really no need for him.
     
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    MLB Top 100 Ratings
     ESPNELIASINSIDE EDGETBE 
     PLAYERTEAMPOSRKRATRKRATRKRATRKRATAVG RK
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    2 Joey VottoCIN1B477.9297.9597.735.63.5
    3 Matt KempLADCF184.31392.3298.545.05.0
    4 Justin VerlanderDETSP1168.7694.0199.384.26.5
     Ryan BraunMILLF283.91093.1897.364.66.5
    6 Adrian GonzalezBOS1B383.12089.1497.984.28.8
    7 Miguel CabreraDET1B775.8993.5797.4153.59.5
    8 Jacoby EllsburyBOSCF676.71591.01197.1133.811.3
     Jered WeaverLAASP1367.4497.02195.574.511.3
    10 Curtis GrandersonNYYCF974.82687.1398.1114.112.3
    11 Prince FielderMIL1B875.6397.41097.2332.613.5
    12 Roy HalladayPHISP2059.91491.21296.8272.818.3
    13 Dustin PedroiaBOS2B1268.63185.51496.5173.318.5
    14 Cliff LeePHISP2454.11989.51496.5183.218.8
    15 Justin UptonARIRF1665.32985.72295.3213.022.0
     Clayton KershawLADSP1466.54283.5897.3242.922.0
    17 Albert PujolsSTL1B2354.52387.93493.6123.923.0
    18 CC SabathiaNYYSP2254.93484.71396.6312.725.0
    19 Cole HamelsPHISP2752.4694.03793.3312.725.3
    20 Robinson CanoNYY2B1960.16378.32494.884.228.5
    21 Andrew McCutchenPITCF3447.24083.71496.5272.828.8
    22 James ShieldsTBSP3646.11292.82894.4412.229.3
    23 Paul KonerkoCHW1B1762.34980.21996.0332.629.5
    24 Lance BerkmanSTLRF2553.61790.33693.5412.229.8
    25 Troy TulowitzkiCOLSS1069.98275.42794.526.930.3
    26 Alex GordonKCLF2852.27177.03493.6183.237.8
    27 Matt HollidaySTLLF3745.63085.75091.8362.438.3
     Tim LincecumSFSP3150.03984.15691.4272.838.3
    29 David OrtizBOSDH1565.49473.22894.4242.940.3
     Josh BeckettBOSSP4343.31192.99386.7143.640.3
    31 Shane VictorinoPHICF3845.63385.15891.1362.441.3
    32 Hunter PencePHIRF3547.14582.14092.6472.141.8
    33 Michael YoungTEXDH1861.04183.61896.1911.442.0
    34 Alex AvilaDETC6035.85878.94792.254.842.5
     Dan HarenLAASP4045.21690.54392.3711.742.5
    36 Carlos GonzalezCOLLF2155.07576.14092.6502.046.5
    37 Craig KimbrelATLRP3347.43684.53393.7851.546.8
    38 Ricky RomeroTORSP4443.02886.010385.3203.148.8
    39 Jonny VentersATLRP10123.4595.34991.9412.249.0
    40 Michael MorseWSH1B5338.35080.25891.1502.052.8
    41 Aramis RamirezCHC3B2951.23784.33094.01171.253.3
    42 Ben ZobristTB2B3050.79173.53094.0711.755.5
    43 Tyler ClippardWSHRP9324.6893.65591.6771.658.3
    44 Adam JonesBALCF7230.06278.46490.0362.458.5
    45 Ian KennedyARISP5138.91889.712084.1472.159.0
    46 Carlos BeltranSFRF6135.75779.34892.0711.759.3
    47 Mike StantonFLARF5039.88774.06889.8352.560.0
    48 Daniel BardBOSRP8227.05180.12594.7851.560.8
    49 Ian KinslerTEX2B4145.013069.35191.7242.961.5
     
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    Re: Matt Kemp True Superstar! FA 2013

    Hey Softy!  :)   Thanks for pointing out that most knowledgeable baseball people are comparing Ells. to the BEST in the MLB!  As you correctly point out, there are still a few players who rank higher than Ells.  BUT!!!  Of course any simple minded fan can clearly see his cost - benefit ratio is clearly #1 in the MLB :)

    So....  What was your point???

    You're not still playing that, "I just want to look stupid" game!   Are you?!?!?

    I know your REAL GAME is, AS A YANKEE FAN, constantly trying to make Boston Fans look like ignorant ignorant fans & racists to boot, but you're kind of making this whole thing a bit too easy lately.  You make us all look better by comparison!  Come on Softy!  At least try a bit harder to make an intelligible point!  When you compare Ells. to the VERY BEST in the MLB, it just makes you look stupid!

    As most of us, even the pink hats, have pointed out to you..... Great players in MLB history, have a tendency to continuously improve in their first 10 - 12 seasons. & start to decline from there....  We don't, & won't, know how good Ells., or any great young player will ultimately be, but all the obvious signs point to a young, potentially great player, who is likely to continue improving year in & year out, if he can avoid serious injury?

    It's actually tough to watch an old timer such as yourself, with so much invested in his self worth in his self image as a "great baseball / Red Sox mind, make such a fool of himself trying to validate a truly stupid point.....   I won't even get into the type of mind that is required to actively root against so many players on his PROFESSED team????   It's actually more sad than maddening.  I don't get aggravated with you anymore, as I can see you're really struggling with your self identity.

    It's OK to be so wrong Softy.  You don't have to worry about what others think of you, as they already don't like you.  LET IT GO Buddy!   :)

    You know.....  the whole broken record, dead horse thing?????   It's just getting a little sad & pathetic :(   Hang in there big guy.   Hey Wake's been doing pretty poorly???  That should cheer you up???   :)
     
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    No way Crawford is traded for bucks. Kemp will be traded or join Yankees. Ellsbury and Crawford is a waste of money, and going up next 2 years for a player who will not be a FA Boston contract Crawford debacle part 2.
    Posted by S0ftl@w

    That must be SOME crystal ball you have !

    You absoluutely KNOW the following :
    Kemp's numbers will continue. Crawford's numbers will improve. But Ellsbury's will go down.
    The Dodgers won't go all out to retain Kemp. The Red Sox won't go all out to keep Ellsbury, perhaps by extending contract. And the Yankees will DEFINITELY go after Kemp, a r/h hitting outfielder. Do I have it all correct ?
    You really need a life outside your Mom's basement, man. And cut down on the drugs.
     
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    If Softy was required to go 24 hours without mentioning Matt Kemp, he wouldn't be allowed to post on this forum. We get it. You like Kemp. Hey, I do too. 

    But: 

    - you went against your own "small sample size" propaganda on this post that you always use to hammer Ellsbury.  

    - you are assuming he will play just as well in the bright lights of Fenway as he does in the National League. This is an often faulty assumption that has plagued a GM named Theo that you are constantly skewering. Now you fall into the same hypocritical trap. But it's ok because you have a baseball crush on Kemp. Just like Theo did on Renteria.

    - The Sox need to put an extra premium on players that have proven they can perform here. Ellsbury is that kind of player. 

    - I hope you're not advocating trading for Kemp when he will be a free agent anyway. But yeah, if he's available as a free agent, I don't have a problem if the Sox go after him, within reason. But there's no reason to assume he is any more special than other free agents that many teams will pursue. Or that he has a special feeling for Boston, other than being closer to you. 

    "If it was Kemp, now, instead of Ellsbury,"

    This is your ultimate fantasy but the rest of us live in reality. You just don't know how the substition between them would work. It's just a fantasy. The irony is if you substituted them on a fantasy league roster this summer there wouldn't be much difference. But you don't care about reality, even when you fantasize.


     
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    No way Crawford is traded for bucks. Kemp will be traded or join Yankees. Ellsbury and Crawford is a waste of money, and going up next 2 years for a player who will not be a FA Boston contract Crawford debacle part 2.
    Posted by S0ftl@w

    The only player OFer that could be leaving the Yankees soon is Swisher, so a GG, SS, 30-30 CF is going to play Right Field for the Yankees? CF fielder typically can't play RF because they don't have the arm.
     
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