McAdam:Wakefield will eventually be the odd man out.-Do you think he should be out of the rotation?

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    [QUOTE]By Sean McAdam CSNNE.com Red Sox Insider Sean McAdam/CSNNE.com ST. PETERSBURG, Fla. - Two morning-after musings: www.csnne.com/images/107647.gif " border="0" alt="bullet.gif" /> If, as it certainly seems, Andrew Miller is about to soon join the Red Sox starting rotation, Tim Wakefield is going to be displaced, one way or another. While one report had the Red Sox planning to slot Miller into the current mix, and, at least for a while, go with six starters, Wakefield will eventually be the odd man out. There's no rationale for removing Josh Beckett, who sports the lowest ERA of any American League starter, or Jon Lester, who leads in A.L. in wins. Clay Buchholz (3.59 ERA) has earned a permanent spot in the rotation, and John Lackey gets to stay based on his paycheck. The Sox aren't about to have a long man making almost $17 million per season -- there's too much invested. That leaves Wakefield, who has a habit of finding himself squeezed out of the picture. Wakefield pitched brilliantly Tuesday night in defeat, allowing just one earned run over seven innings. He's sure to be unhappy with the idea of being passed over, or, at the very least, moved around. Though he's not primarily motivated by personal gain, each start Wakefield doesn't get makes his twin goals of 200 career wins (he sits at 196) and becoming the all-time winningest Red Sox pitcher (he's currently 11 away from topping Cy Young and Roger Clemens) become more remote. Wakefield's current deal expires at the end of the season and while he's been a valuable depth piece on the Red Sox' staff for the last few years, there's no guarantee of his return for 2012 and beyond. It will take a strong sell job by Terry Francona to have Wakefield remain invested in the team should he again be shifted to the role of bullpen long man.
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    Let Miller get his feet wet with a few long relief appearances or a spot start.  Over a little time, there's a chance that somebody will develop a lingering blister or a minor ailment that can be used as an excuse to shut them down for a few outings and a stint on the 15-day DL, especially if they're performing a bit below standard.   Then, Miller's time in the rotation becomes an audition to see where they want to go from there.  There's always a possibility that someone goes down (hopefully not one of the big 3) and he may or may not establish himself.  If everybody stays healthy and performs, then they have an enviable problem on their hands with 6 starters (7 if you include Aceves).  If Miller looks solid but doesn't project to be a top-of-the-line starter, his value may appreciate as trade bait to fill another weakness, possibly to bolster the pen.  Whatever the case, if Miller performs well, it's a great problem to have.

     
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    He gets the Pardes on Monday...nice...that team is lucky to hit a ball out of the in field...he should dominate...
     
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    Wakefield might be able to help an NL team. There is no way he can last as a starter every 5 days for any length of time at all in AL. I think it would do both parties some good to agree on an appreciation day for Wakefield, before a post season game, which is likely, or early game next year, and let Wakefield finish it out in NL. No hard feelings, but don't let this drag on all year like Lowell.

    I am certain that Wakefield has no real purpose on this active roster, and he's not going to agree to some DL time or ML assignment. He probably thinks his current ERA and starting was good enough to stay in the rotation, but he forgets who he pitched against and how much time off he's averaged between these few starts.

    The Marlins would be a good homecoming for him, assuming they have any interest.
     
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    Well Lackey's arm is still hurting and is still not pitching better than Wake it will be very surprising if he is not DLed at somepoint.
     
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    [QUOTE]Wakefield might be able to help an NL team. There is no way he can last as a starter every 5 days for any length of time at all in AL. I think it would do both parties some good to agree on an appreciation day for Wakefield, before a post season game, which is likely, or early game next year, and let Wakefield finish it out in NL. No hard feelings, but don't let this drag on all year like Lowell. I am certain that Wakefield has no real purpose on this active roster, and he's not going to agree to some DL time or ML assignment. He probably thinks his current ERA and starting was good enough to stay in the rotation, but he forgets who he pitched against and how much time off he's averaged between these few starts. The Marlins would be a good homecoming for him, assuming they have any interest.
    Posted by betterredthandead[/QUOTE]
    He is not pitching bad, remember a 4.50 era is a quality era. You can't get rid of a guy because you think his era is because he pitched against bad teams. You know what Beckett's ERA is higher against the Yankees than KC so should the Sox threat him like a 4th starter because KC is just not that good?
     
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    [QUOTE]Wakefield pitched brilliantly Tuesday night in defeat This is patent nonsense! He was hit hard and had one of those games where he had a lot of luck and an impotent Rays offense. He walked 5 batters and hit one batter. He looks like a wounded duck trying to cover first. His ERA was near 5 before this start, and it will go right back there or worse if he's left in the rotation. They've given him a lot of average down time between these few starts, and he will break down if they don't have special timeout rules for this guy. He is a blowup at anytime, no matter how good the smoke and mirrors has been looking in an outing, and batters can start running the moment it gets to two strikes at the plate and just start running the bases. The pitiful part is that a lot of downtime between outings and trying to match Wakefield up against the weaker offenses has produced a weak ERA that is the best Wakefield could possible produce. With the offense the Red Sox have, one game doesn't change that, it makes no sense to put the old man out there and take time away from giving the young guys a chance to get experience. The young guys have the potential to pitch truly excellent starts, and should be allowed to struggle and get the starts in front of an elite MLB offense. Wakefield's potential is what it has been for two years, and he should not be getting the starts. The starts should be going to Miller, Doubrant and Aceves/Bowden, with a 5 ERA being good enough to keep Wakefield on the DL or elsewhere. My hope is that they bump Wakefield and make him mad enough to pitch for the Rays, assuming any team in baseball would want the guy. Bottom line, Wakefield will bump himself if he tried to make a few more starts on 5 days rest. He will hurt himself if they don't bump him, so I've advocated telling him that he has had his down time and he needs to be ready to take the ball every 5 days on the clock. Miller will most certainly struggle in outings as he tries to find the confidence to be effective at the MLB level. But investing the time in him, then Doubrant or the other young pitchers, is the only way to develop experience in young talent. Wakefield is a closed book who should have retired after the 2009 surgery. Like Varitek, he'll have to be kicked out of MLB, and he will be. As for loyalty, Wakeifield's demand is so low that it's not loyalty. If the Yankees offered him an extra year and tripled the money, he would have been gone several years ago. Loyalty only goes as far as the bank account being large enough to turn down a huge contract in favor of another huge contract. Wakefield has the loser's aura when he goes out there. Just because he stands out there long enough to get a win does not mean that aura isn't still there. He instills no team confidence when he pitches, regardless of what he did in the last outing.  Last night was a game with a division opponent that takes on increased importance. The Red Sox offense had been lights out but can't do it every night and Shields is having a hot run, even though no GM would touch Shields outside of the dumpster price.  The question is, if the Red Sox offense is off and/or facing a hot pitching performance, is the Red Sox starter capable of matching the opponent on a given night? With Wakefield, the answer is no. With Miller, the answer is maybe? With Doubrant, the answer is maybe.  Go with the youth and let Wakefield show how good he is on another team. Middle and upper management made a mistake by not giving Wakefield a day of appreciation and cutting him loose last year to retire or play elsewhere.  
    Posted by betterredthandead[/QUOTE]


    "Loser's aura". Now I've heard it all. Near 200 times is quite an aura".
    This statement from a loser poster.
     
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    [QUOTE]Wakefield might be able to help an NL team. There is no way he can last as a starter every 5 days for any length of time at all in AL. I think it would do both parties some good to agree on an appreciation day for Wakefield, before a post season game, which is likely, or early game next year, and let Wakefield finish it out in NL. No hard feelings, but don't let this drag on all year like Lowell. I am certain that Wakefield has no real purpose on this active roster, and he's not going to agree to some DL time or ML assignment. He probably thinks his current ERA and starting was good enough to stay in the rotation, but he forgets who he pitched against and how much time off he's averaged between these few starts. The Marlins would be a good homecoming for him, assuming they have any interest.
    Posted by betterredthandead[/QUOTE]

    No real purpose - shows the degree of UR bias and limited baseball intellect.

    He's the "#4" pitcher in the rotation, by your ERA standards.

    He's cleaning up the mess left by Dice - by UR standards.

    Dice couldn't answer the call - by UR standards.

    Since rejoining the SR, he's been one of their best pitchers - by any standards.

    And he continues to make you look like the fool you are. That alone is purpose enough.
     
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    man somebody needs some down time - talk about a psychotic nut-job.


     
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    Psychotic nut jobs start threads about me & Jesus. Then bring Nazi's into it.
    They obsessively start threads about Tim "Wastefield" and bash him 10 times a day.

    Softy didn't get his fluff today.
    UR slipping.
     
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    Untrue Captain Research, I have started numerous threads supporting Wakefield since 2009... numerous.  In the end Tim is 44 years old and the Red Sox have mismanaged him for the past two seasons.  I cannot help any of that.... 
     
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    Since rejoining the SR, he's been one of their best pitchers - by any standards.

    This comment shows how emotionally unhinged you are. Complete hysteria to claim that Wastefield has been better than Lester, Buch and Beckett and Aceves and DiceK before he got hurt.

    Unless they keep pampering Wastefield with a lot of down time, he'll be on the de jure DL. No way Wastefield can physically stay in the rotation. Call the NL contending GM and deal him for a mid tier prospect that the scouting department believes is underrated as a prospect. Close the book on Wakefield and the Red Sox, and open another book.

    In Golf, there was Sam Snead, a physical fitness worker with a wonderful swing tempo. Then, you have Tim Wastefield. A goofball pitcher with a pot belly who looks old and peforms old.
     
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    actually harness said Beckett wasn't much use without Tek....  at least that is how I understood his blind babbling.
     
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    CC has had much use with many different catchers.
     
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    [QUOTE]Since rejoining the SR, he's been one of their best pitchers - by any standards. This comment shows how emotionally unhinged you are. Complete hysteria to claimthat Wastefield has been better than Lester, Buch and Beckett and Aceves and DiceK before he got hurt. Unless they keep pampering Wastefield with a lot of down time, he'll be on the de jure DL. No way Wastefield can physically stay in the rotation. Call the NL contending GM and deal him for a mid tier prospect that the scouting department believes is underrated as a prospect. Close the book on Wakefield and the Red Sox, and open another book. In Golf, there was Sam Snead, a physical fitness worker with a wonderful swing tempo. Then, you have Tim Wastefield. A goofball pitcher with a pot belly who looks old and peforms old.
    Posted by betterredthandead[/QUOTE]


    You seem to be the hysterical one. Try using different specs. I said since Wake rejoined the SR. That's what matters now. Not 2009. Not 2010. Not April/May of 2011. Now. The recent past. In his case, 5 starts where he's gone at least 6 frames in 4 of them...where he has a 3.65 ERA. That's why he's now the #4 starter - the guy you wanted in AAA/traded. Aceves is in the pen. Dice never answered the call. Your terminology.

    Are you not claiming Wake is a waste of a roster spot?
    You like to distort the posts of others, as does your fluffer Burrito, who continues to mis-represent what I said about Beckett/Tek.

    You two should seriously consider a private rendezvous.
     
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    Wastefield has been pampered in his few starts, and don't leave out the Twins on his few starts. He is a waste of a roster spot has merely denied opprotunities to younger talent.
     
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