McCuthchen for RF?

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    Cant wait to see the superstar in CF in 2012, soon to be leaving town because less popular Crawford already has the money. Inepstein spent about 44M on 2011 OF, all his contract decisions. The OF, despite Ellsbury career year v. RP, stunk!
     
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    [QUOTE]McCutchen Age 24 career OBP .365 SLG .458 OPS .822 OPS + 123 Ellsbury Age 28 career OBP .354 SLG .452 OPS .807 OPS + 109  Joe, when you get your head out of your boot, let me know. Stupid is as stupid does.
    Posted by hankwilliams[/QUOTE]

    Ells = 9.4.  McCutcheon = 5.7

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    Re: McCuthchen for RF?

    Cant wait to see the superstar in CF in 2012...

    And when he has another big year, you'll blame it on being in front of Pedey & AGon and seeing more fastballs.
     
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    Ells = 9.4. McCutcheon = 5.7

    Joe, do you really believe that career averages in OPS and OPS + is trumped by some rainman one year value index. You are tool, Joe.
     
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    [QUOTE]I think Boston rather to trade their own players for pitchings first before they need a RF. So therefore, this McCuthchen is their last thing on their minds!!
    Posted by GoUconn13[/QUOTE]

    Yup.  I never get this obsession with trying to strengthen the offense.  We lead the league in scoring.

    It also doesn't make sense to trade for a CF and then gut part of his value by putting him in RF.

    McCutchen is a nice player and all, but with a career .822 OPS.  There is not a heck of a lot of reason to empty the farm for his .822 when guys like Beltran and Cuddyer will get somewhere around there without giving up any prospects.  If we needed a CF, it would be another topic.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: McCuthchen for RF? : Maybe he was joking, but he's not a radar type (which is sometimes called a troll)
    Posted by nhsteven[/QUOTE]

    Relax, he's not being serious.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: McCuthchen for RF? : Do the math.  We face RHPs about 62% of the time, not 75%, and I said to play Ross up to half the time vs RHPs. That means Reddick might start about a third of the games. It might also be Kalish not Reddick. Also, Reddick misplayed afew balls this year, but he is generally known as a very good fielder.
    Posted by moonslav59[/QUOTE]

    I'd be tempted to go in that direction.  You can't be successful without taking a couple of minimum wage risks.  Even with a large payroll, our ability to add pitching will depend on our ability to go cheap elsewhere.  If he's just facing RH pitchers, how bad could it be?
     
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    McCutchen is a nice player and all, but with a career .822 OPS

    McCutchen has a .922 career OPS vs. LP.

    McCutchen would not cost the farm.

    Ellsbury on the winter trade block will bring the prospects from a pool of teams to get a profile like McCutchen

    Crawford has the money for lefty career Ellsbury numbers in OF

     
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    [QUOTE]Ells = 9.4. McCutcheon = 5.7 Joe, do you really believe that career averages in OPS and OPS + is trumped by some rainman one year value index. You are tool, Joe.
    Posted by hankwilliams[/QUOTE]

    It depends on the degree upon which it is sustainable.  No doubt that Ellsbury will revert some, but the difference between 9.4 and 5.7 is huge.  If you were a tad more stable, I'd wager you that Ellsbury will have a better WAR next year as well.

    And since I'm right about 90% of the times we disagree, the insults don't bother me.  Not bragging, it's just the way it is.

    And like the other poster said, picking Cameron over Ellsbury this year might be the worst call in BB history.  Maybe the worst call in internet history.  It was epic.
     
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    And since I'm right about 90% of the times we disagree, the insults don't bother me. Not bragging, it's just the way it is.

    Joe, you don't determine the way it is. You are a tool, and I am right 100% of the time we disagree. Not bragging, just the way it is.

    And like the other poster said, picking Cameron over Ellsbury this year might be the worst call in BB history. Maybe the worst call in internet history. It was epic.\

    The other poster is an emotional delusional drone, like you. I never "picked Cameron over Ellsbury this year", I said to platoon Cameron for Ellsbury and Crawford and Drew, since Inepstein paid 15 million for Cameron to hit LP. Cameron was about as bad as Ellsbury was in 2010, which happens when the manager puts a career starter on the bench. See Varisuk. Ellsbury was put in front of Pedroia and Agon for the first time in his career, while Crawford was told he was a #3 hitter. No one knows what Cameron does if he plays a lot. No one knows what Crawford does if told he is new leadoff hitter and Ellsbury is #3 hitter. 

    I'll wager you that War one year nets Crawford contracts, bird brain. I'll wager you that Crawford hits career averages or better of beloved Els, hero of loser team of 2011, is traded and Crawford moves to 1 spot from day one. I'll wager you that warrior plays everyday Ellsbury falls from 2011 throne and ends up with worse career OPS than the player who faked injuries, Drew.
     
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    [QUOTE]McCutchen is a nice player and all, but with a career .822 OPS McCutchen has a .922 career OPS vs. LP. McCutchen would not cost the farm. Ellsbury on the winter trade block will bring the prospects from a pool of teams to get a profile like McCutchen Crawford has the money for lefty career Ellsbury numbers in OF
    Posted by hankwilliams[/QUOTE]

    It is funny how you think Ellsbury would be a better option for every team except Boston.

    Dude, it's nearly 2012.  You can let go of the ludicrous Ellsbury Disciples (or Jacobites, as I called them) from 2007, most of whom no longer post here, and really, they never said anything worthwhile when they did.

    Ellsbury is a good player.  Did they overrate and oversell him and overstate their own importance?  Yes, but that was then....
     
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    Crawford is here to stay, Dude. Ellsbury is a better fit elsewhere, as the Red Sox have a need for a young talented Rh OF'er with better career averages overall and off the charts better career averaegs v. LP.

    Ellsbury trade value is windfall for this winter, it freefalls after that.
     
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    [QUOTE]Crawford is here to stay, Dude. Ellsbury is a better fit elsewhere, as the Red Sox have a need for a young talented Rh OF'er with better career averages overall and off the charts better career averaegs v. LP. Ellsbury trade value is windfall for this winter, it freefalls after that.
    Posted by hankwilliams[/QUOTE]

    Hank you damn liar. You said Cameron should start in CF. Its easy for a punk like you to lie because when its time to check your history you are someone else. What you really are is a pathetic joke. Ellsbury has made you look ignorant. You want him either hurt or traded but its too late he has already left the mark you feared worst. An MVP and Gold Glove season has wrecked your pathetic life. You fall back on career medians. Ret@rd career medians come from the latter part of a career not when a guy just hits his prime. Are you really that stupid? Remember when you used to claim to be a lawyer but posted on here 24/7? What a great attorney you must have been.
     
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    An MVP and Gold Glove season has wrecked your pathetic life. You fall back on career medians.

    I wasn't aware that the career season top team member player from the biggest collapse in baseball regular season history was the MVP. 

    Career medians are how you don't dote over Ellsbury 2011 and pay Crawford 142M. See Marquis Grissom.   
     
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    Tough year for Hank:

    got fired from MNF 
    (No higher compliment from PC propaganda ABC)

    wrong on Cameron in CF
    (Inesptein hired Cameron, Right on making regular use of Cameron v LP, which never happened under Tito)


    wrong on Hall (1st starter in MLB cut) Right on Hall as UIF backup, not a starter

    wrong on that CF (2nd for MVP) right on that CF 2008, 2009  2010 and 2011, and right that Agon added to 2011 Pedroia was Elllsbury 2011 and right that most lauded and hyped over AGon and Pedroia performance player of 2011 was the media and fan sullen face of the worst regular season collapse in baseball history needs to be traded instead of paying 20M for 2014 FA ticket  

    wrong on Beckett  (right on fat beer drinker disgrace of 2010 and 2011, terrible team leader who takes every other year off with 15 million)

    wrong on AGon 50/50 or 100% to go (right on Agon 100% to go and at least 50/50 to Red Sox)


    wrong on AGon signing early  (right on Agon not signing day after CBA capture date and Inesptein hedging for more than a week to see if shoulder long term affected performance)
       
    wrong on Iglesias over Scutaro (never said Iglesias over Scutaro for 2011, Iggy/Scutaro over Jed Tired) 

    wrong on Drew finishing strong (never said ignorant southern redneck Drew at 35 would finish strong)

    Don't let a poor history of prognostication dent your confidence, maybe the AEI will come calling.

    Wrong on your claim that Jed Tired would be elite MLB SS. You were so bold during Jed Tired's weeks as new Ted Williams.

    Don't let Jed's latest panic attack dent your confidence, maybe Barney Fwank needs a new house boy to help him keep up with what grows in his garden, loans from a rock solid Fannie and Freddie, and Red Sox player boy glut watching.  
     
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    Spank, Constantly writing about homosexuality? Makes me wonder if you are a conflicted closet case.

    I didnt write about homosexuality, I commented on same-sex sexual conduct.

    I understand options completely, though few on this board understand condition precedent and how options really work. MLBTR doesn't provide that.

    Agon was 100% traded last winter, when I commented in summer of 2010. No one reported that, instead claiming Agon was a summer trade at the earliest due to needed ticket sales. The comment you prevaricate about was not "50/50", it was:

    A. 100% Agon traded last winter

    B. At least 50/50 to the Red Sox, only because of condition precedent agreement on long term extension

    Nice to see Lowrie elite MLB SS has dented your confidence, and you accentuate how stupid that was by not admitting it when Red Sox showed zero confidence in Lowrie at SS by spending an overpaid option amount on old Scutaro. Admit it, Lowrie will not be an elite MLB SS, one year or career. Red Sox needed to trade Lowrie at end of last year. 
     
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    The comment you prevaricate about was not "50/50", it was:

    A. 100% Agon traded last winter


    "As Softlaw reported sometime back, the only reason AGon won't be dealt over this winter is the extesnsion demands of AGon being outside of what market will bear next winter. The Tex demands are way outside of what the market will bear, and his agent knows that but is using it as a wish price. This is why I have it 50/50 that AGon goes this winter . As I said at the outset, no question that he gets traded before the end of next season " Softlaw using Cain-like third person in November 2010

     

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