Memo to JD Drew

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    IMO Crisp and Lugo added more value that year than Drew
     
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    J.D. Drew????

    I do like the guy.  He has an amazing ability to play Right field.  Always seems to be in the right place.  Good arm.

    As for his hitting...... I think what bothers most of us, is the fact that he has been able to take all that God given talent at swinging the bat & almost miraculously turning himself into an AVERAGE hitter.  Throughout his career there have been rave reviews about his beautiful swing, & his keen eye at the plate.  The frustrating thing!!!!!  is that those assessments are correct.  BUT.............  How can someone with that much talent at the plate consistently underwhelm fans???  How does a guy with such a keen eye manage to STRIKE OUT SO OFTEN!!!  How does a guy with that good an eye consistently stand there and watch strike 3????  YES!  So often he is right when he watches strike 3, with the pitch centimeters off the plate.  His ability to judge those close calls is amazing!  THE PROBLEM with that................ is that more often than not the pitcher is going to be given that pitch.  One would think that EXPERIENCE would teach such a good hitter NOT TO RELY on getting the call???????   Yes!  He's good at working the count, getting lots of walk, & inflating that OBP.  BUT...He has far too many strike outs on a CALLED strike 3.  So, why is it that he never seems to learn from his experience?????  Is he simply stubborn, & refuses to accept that he NEEDS to protect the plate when he has 2 strikes?  Sometimes I wonder just how bright the guys is???? 
    There is NO WAY in hell this guy should not be a +.300 hitter with power.  Imagine if we could transplant Pedey's mindset into a guy like J.D. Drew??????
    Now that would be one hell of a player!!!!!!!  :)

    Anyway......  Still like the guy, but he certainly can be frustrating! 

     
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    Yup - I've said those things before

    He's incredibly stubborn

    Refuses to make adjustments

    Beautiful swing

    If Pedey had that swing people would be comparing Albert Puljous to HIM
     
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    $77m
     
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    The fact that a hitter has a beautiful swing doesn't automatically translate to a great career in the majors.  Major league pitchers get a book on a guy and know how to attack any weakness.  There have been a lot of guys with good-looking swings come and go.   
     
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    [QUOTE]Drew is the King of the Toothpick Award (he either looks for a Walk or K's out....either way, he could do just as well with a TOOTH PICK in his hands) But don't tell Wonder Boy that.  Let him enjoy his denial for a few more months.
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

        Andrew
             JD is the least of the Sox problems right now. Look to left field, catching, the bench, and to the relief pitching before you get to JD. JD was trying to get on base to make something happen. Why bash him when we have a 21million dollar player with a .200+ OBP? I don't want Crawford, Jenks, or catching bashed. It just is you bash JD everytime you can. Be fair. Spread it around, and you will have some credibility. Best of all, just quit the negativity, and give the Sox time to right the ship.

     
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    Believe me I know Drew is able to, once again, go under the radar given all the other bombs that Theo brought on board. 

    But to right the ship?  OK.  Should we give them until May?  June?  July?  August?  September?  Pick a month....any month........As far as Drew should we give him until after his first year?  His 2nd year?  3rd year?  4th?  5th?  Look at the 5 years in aggregate?  Slice it anyway you wish........You tell me?.............
     
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    Facts:

    1.) Saying Drew LVP of a year or a series is ridiculous. Absurd. Saying crap like "we would've won without him" is impossible to prove and dumb. 
    2.) As always the answer is probably somewhere in the middle. Calling him a complete waste is an overstatement (Pavano on Yanks that's a complete waste, Carl Crawford on Sox MAY be a complete waste) Drew gets on base too much and plays a good right field to call him a waste.
    3.) However, he is nearly impossible to watch hit. He said the other night he "Grinds out at bats" when did "Grind" become synonomous with not swinging?
    4.) Lots of problems on Sox (catching, Crawford, Youk not playing well, Jenks, etc.): Drew is one of many sore thumbs.
     
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    [QUOTE]The fact that a hitter has a beautiful swing doesn't automatically translate to a great career in the majors.  Major league pitchers get a book on a guy and know how to attack any weakness.  There have been a lot of guys with good-looking swings come and go.   
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut[/QUOTE]

    Hfx,

    That is VERY true.......  BUT, we know that is not the case with J.D. Drew.  Not only does he have a beautiful swing, but he has ALL THE TALENT in the world at making good contact.  NOW,  you are correct about his difficulties with hitting LHP, and the fact that he is very vulnerable to RHP who have a good inside slider / curveball.  If they hang it, J.D. is as good as anyone at making them pay big time!  If it breaks inside & low, J.D. has a tough time picking up that swing.

    I guess what I'm saying is...... That while I agree with what you're saying, I'm not sure you're factoring in his frustrating stats. with regards to strike outs.  Right now, his SO / BB ratio is inverted, & it's been getting worse in recent years.  If he could just learn to protect the plate more often on strike 3, he would be a vastly more valuable player to us.

    Anyway......  I think we basically agree. :)
     
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    I do agree that Drew is the LEAST OF OUR PROBLEMS right now!
     
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    Look up the toothpick stat - JD Drew is tops on the list - year after year after year...........
     
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    Matthews Jr is hitting .400 on his playstation .

     
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    [QUOTE]Look up the toothpick stat - JD Drew is tops on the list - year after year after year...........
    Posted by andrewmitch[/QUOTE]

    Can you tell me where to find that stat?
     
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    I'm on board with Andrew on this subject.

    He may be more persistent than I, but no one has yet offered a strong enough argument to prove that he does not have a valid point.

    The contract Drew has is for a COMPLETE player , not a defensive specialist who gets a clutch hit once every 5 years.
     
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    Fangraphs and Baseball Reference have him being worth just under $60m in 4 seasons plus.  On pace for about $77m.  If you don't value defense and OBP you don't understand baseball.
     
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    That "on pace" stuff always makes me laugh hysterically.

    Here's a few "on pace" stats for you:

    Pres. Clinton was once "on pace" to have affairs with every young girl in Washington.

    Every NHL player that scores a hat trick in the first game of the season is "on pace" to score 246 goals that season, which would be a great career.

    When a kicker kicks two field goals in the first quarter of a game , he is "on pace" to kick 8 field goals in the game....9 if it goes to overtime.

    If I win the lottery on Jan. 1, I am "on pace" to win the lottery 356 times that year.

    If I wake up at 6 A.M. and  I sneeze 6 times  before 6:05 A.M. , I am "on pace" to sneeze 1,728 times that day....this would likely kill me.

    If Drew is "on pace" to be worth $77m , I am the king of Spain.

     
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    It's not rocket science.

    Until someone comes up with a better system, I will go with what these guys came up with rather than the anecdotal ramblings of fans stuck in the 70's.

    $56.4m first four years

    $2.9m this year x 6.48 (25 games / 162)=~ $18.8m

    ~$75m

    Juan Carlos Zilla
     
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    [QUOTE]It's not rocket science. Until someone comes up with a better system, I will go with what these guys came up with rather than the anecdotal ramblings of fans stuck in the 70's. $56.4m first four years $2.9m this year x 6.48 (25 games / 162)=~ $18.8m ~$75m Juan Carlos Zilla
    Posted by tom-uk[/QUOTE]

    Good posts on this thread Tom.

    The one criticism I do agree with is that Drew seems to be stubborn about protecting the plate with two strikes. It's one thing to be disciplined and not swing at pitchers you don't like. It's another thing to simply go down just because it's not in your zone, which is what Drew appears to do.

    He could make it easier on himself if he'd just fight off some of those borderline pitches and foul them off to force the pitcher to work more, giving more of a chance to make a mistake.

    The one chart -- and I can't find it right now -- is how Drew has ranked among other right fielders during his time in Boston, and as I recall, he ranks pretty high. People (and I'll refrain from calling them what they are) like andrew who stick their head in the sand and ignore that are even more stubborn than Drew is.

    Drew is frustrating. He may well be overpaid (that's up to the Red Sox to decide). But to ignore the contributions and play he has given during his time here is ridiculous.
     
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    You can look for it on line as it does exist....You can calculate it yourself

    (K's + BB's)/PA's

     
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    hey roy

    I have written before about problems I have with Drew  and his game. 

    Firstly, I think he is a pure mercenary who chases the dollar and will retire early because he does not love the game.

    Secondly, he was the first college player ever to go 30/30.  He had elite speed (base to base stats back this up) until about 30, so I guess you can't blame him for losing that. He has underachieved for a career no doubt.

    Thirdly, he doesn't protect the plate because he waits on his pitch.

    Fourthly, the other players ranked him consistently as one who got the least out of his talent.  They see batting practice and many other things we don't.  It is not a great thing to have said about you.

    Fifthly, his willingness to sit is overdone. Yes I know the team does not want players to do what Pedroia and Lowrie have done hiding injuries, but come on.

    BUT.  The resident bashers rely on some widely debunked nonsense to bash him and Theo for signing him.  Considering that FA require a 10 to 20 percent overspend he has been a bargain.  Both of the two main player value systems have him nearing $60m as a Sox.  The RBI thing is beyond stupid, just like RISP, OBP, and most of all these fans fail to grasp how valuable an above average fielder in RF is.

    Lastly, the list of FA bombs is really long, he is not even in that league.  The other options that year have been awful to poor.  Few have produced and/or were good enough to play RF very long or at all.

    Soriano, Matthews Jr., ........

    I watched TWIB in 1979, and I was told how important saves and rbi were, but I wasn't so close minded that I couldn't embrace a new paradigm.

    Plus I lived in Philly for half of my life.

    As of late 2010:

    So let’s see how Drew compares to his 2006-2007 free agent class. 

     
                              Yrs        $M      WAR since     RBI      BB     R   
    Soriano, A              8         136      14.3: 6.2      275     154    301
    Drew                     5          70       13.6: 13.8    261     299    314
    Lee, C.                  6         100           9: 2.8      407     166    284
    Matthews, Jr.         5          50          -1.1
    Pierre, J.              5           44            5.4

    (Fangraphs WAR:B-reference WAR)

    Drew SLG% with runners on   avg. 453 (.438 .436 .503 .436: 07-10) 
           SLG% risp                    avg. 466 (.396  .522  .463  .485)

    Does anyone want Lee or Soriano playing right at Fenway?
     
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    J.D. Drew voted among game's biggest underachievers

    9:40 AM Tue, Aug 25, 2009 |
    Mike McDermott    Email

    Sports Illustrated recently asked 380 major-league players this question: Which player gets the least out of the most talent?

    Number one on the list was former Red Sox outfielder Wily Mo Pena -- the man once acquired in exchange for Bronson Arroyo -- who is now a free agent after a stint as a Mets minor-leaguer.


    And number four is a name you will definitely recognize. The list, which appears in this month's edition of the magazine, is here:

    1. Wily Mo Pena
    2. Daniel Cabrera, Triple-A
    3. Elijah Dukes, Nationals
    4. J.D. Drew, Red Sox
    5. Mike MacDougal, P, Nationals

     
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    Drew has a higher BA than everyone on the team except AGon, Lowrie and Ortiz. 

    He's really only hated by idiots who actually think the $14mill salary scale is reserved for superstars.  Ironically, these same people (singular) think RBI are great for evaluation, token left-handed pitching is good, and a PTBNL is only used as a giveaway prize....
     
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    Pop quiz:

    Bottom of the ninth, two outs, your team is trailing by one run, and the count is 2-2. What do you do?

     
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    [QUOTE]hey roy I have written before about problems I have with Drew  and his game.  Firstly, I think he is a pure mercenary who chases the dollar and will retire early because he does not love the game. Secondly, he was the first college player ever to go 30/30.  He had elite speed (base to base stats back this up) until about 30, so I guess you can't blame him for losing that. He has underachieved for a career no doubt. Thirdly, he doesn't protect the plate because he waits on his pitch. Fourthly, the other players ranked him consistently as one who got the least out of his talent.  They see batting practice and many other things we don't.  It is not a great thing to have said about you. Fifthly, his willingness to sit is overdone. Yes I know the team does not want players to do what Pedroia and Lowrie have done hiding injuries, but come on. BUT.  The resident bashers rely on some widely debunked nonsense to bash him and Theo for signing him.  Considering that FA require a 10 to 20 percent overspend he has been a bargain.  Both of the two main player value systems have him nearing $60m as a Sox.  The RBI thing is beyond stupid, just like RISP, OBP, and most of all these fans fail to grasp how valuable an above average fielder in RF is. Lastly, the list of FA bombs is really long, he is not even in that league.  The other options that year have been awful to poor.  Few have produced and/or were good enough to play RF very long or at all. Soriano, Matthews Jr., ........ I watched TWIB in 1979, and I was told how important saves and rbi were, but I wasn't so close minded that I couldn't embrace a new paradigm. Plus I lived in Philly for half of my life. As of late 2010: So let’s see how Drew compares to his 2006-2007 free agent class.                              Yrs        $M      WAR since     RBI      BB     R    Soriano, A              8         136      14.3: 6.2      275     154    301 Drew                     5          70       13.6: 13.8    261     299    314 Lee, C.                  6         100           9: 2.8      407     166    284 Matthews, Jr.         5          50          -1.1 Pierre, J.              5           44            5.4 (Fangraphs WAR:B-reference WAR) Drew SLG% with runners on   avg. 453 (.438 .436 .503 .436: 07-10)         SLG% risp                    avg. 466 (.396  .522  .463  .485) Does anyone want Lee or Soriano playing right at Fenway?
    Posted by tom-uk[/QUOTE]

    I agree with most of this -- not sure about the things in bold.

    Mercenary? Definitely. Does he love the game? Eh ... who knows. He has a blah personality but I'm not going to pretend to know what's inside him. He very well may have a great passion for the game but just doesn't show it outwardly. I don't like to try to guess what's in a guy's heart.

    His willingness to sit overdone? Again ... who knows. I'm inclined to agree with you, but t the same time, his problems have been his back and  I know how debilitating that can be. Who really knows how many times he might have played when he wasn't right. Like I said, I'm inclined to agree with you on this but I don't like guessing on how injured a guy may or may not be.

    I'm in between on the RBI thing. I think some overstate RBI numbers, while others undervalue them. Hitting with RISP can fluctuate so I'm not going to rip a guy for one year where it's bad. I'll look to see if there's a pattern where a guy regularly hits better w/RISP or worse. For his career, as I recall, Drew's been decent.

    Looking at Drew in Boston, the only year I felt it was a problem relative to his other stats was 2009. 

    In 2007, he just didn't have a good regular season. In 2008, there was nothing wrong with his RBI total, considering the number of games and at-bats he had. If he played as many games he did in his other years, he would have been in the 80s and that would have been fine. 2009 was the problem in that while his other numbers were OK, he was career-worst w/RISP. Had he been career-average, he would have been in the 80s. Last year, again, just wasn't a good year overall.

    Whether you're  talking about RBIs, it's like other stats. You can't judge a player on just one stat.

     
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    [QUOTE]Drew has a higher BA than everyone on the team except AGon, Lowrie and Ortiz.  He's really only hated by idiots who actually think the $14mill salary scale is reserved for superstars.  Ironically, these same people (singular) think RBI are great for evaluation, token left-handed pitching is good, and a PTBNL is only used as a giveaway prize....
    Posted by notin[/QUOTE]

    I don't necessarily see the "hatred" for Drew that you're seeing.  Even though I like his game on the whole, there are certainly some legitimate frustrations with his underachieving with the bat.  He's got such a beautiful swing & great eye that most people just can't understand why he WON'T protect the plate better on strike 3.  It's maddening!  It's almost as if he's saying, "too bad if they call me out, I'm not swinging even if it's only 1/2  inch off the plate.  It's the principle!"  Too many SO for such a good hitter.  To me, that's the only fair criticism.  Well, maybe his perceived lack of passion???
     
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