Re: Metrics mania.
posted at 4/16/2013 8:42 AM EDT
Wins and losses is what the game is all about. Maybe some of you love to play around with the stats more than you like to win.
Saying I don't value the designation of a win or a loss to a pitcher means I do not value wins above stats is just plain ludicrous.
Wins and losses are team stats. Sure, a SP has a big part of who wins or losses, and I do still value the stat, but run support varries so much between starters, and many circumstances way beyond a pitcher's control play into the decision on who is awarded the win or loss.
There are winners and there are losers. How many base runners a pitcher allows means nothing if the runs do not score.
Wrong. Maybe his runners didn't score because he has a fantastic SS behind him who turned "an impossible" DP to end the inning, while another pitcher has a weak SS who didn't even get to the ball and 2 runs score-m all earned, and the team loses- "his loss".
A top pitcher will raise his game in certain situations.
Yes, and he induces a DP ball that is not turned into a DP due to sub[par fielding behind him. I guess he should have struck the next 2 guys out in your mind.
I think some of you have so much fun with the numbers game that you miss what it is all about.
You guess wrong, and this attitude really irks me. I love the game of baseball, and I played it for many years before blowing out my knee and settling on softball for another decade or so. Just because someone uses stats to prove or support his position does not mean they can't enjoy watching a game. I love all the nuances of baseball- many of which are not captured by stats, data, or analysis.
I guess that I am hopelessly old fashioned and traditional in my thinking. But I know that results are what matters. The goal in sports is to win. No amount of trendy stats ever takes the place of winning. You can over analyze things until the cows come home , but in the end , it is all about winning or losing. To say that a pitcher's won / loss record does not matter is ridiculous. You better hope that your top pitchers have good won \ loss records. No matter what the metrics may say , there are moments when winners rise to the occasion, and losers choke and make excuses. That is all I know. ( Well , it is not all I know . I do know some other things . ) Good Night.
Following your logic, shouldn't team wins in your starts be the bottom line? Isn't it all about the team winning? you doing what it takes to keep your team in it? To me the team record in your starts is more important (but still down on the list) than a pitcher's W-L record.
It's all about wins, right?