Middlebrooks is already a top ROY candidate... Is he also making a run at the AS Game?

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    [QUOTE]The smart money says Middlebrooks will motor right past Hamilton for the AL MVP. Dumb guys like me advise not counting chickens too early.
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]

    You saved him a few keystrokes.
     
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    [QUOTE]He's already in the conversation for early ROY candidate.  There are only 2 players (Cabrera and Beltre) that are clearly ahead of him at this point for the AS Game.  Other than that he's in striking distance. Thoughts? Also, who was the last descent position player to come out of the Yankees farm system.  Was it Robinson Cano 7 years ago?
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988[/QUOTE]
      "Descent" player? Who was the last player to descend from the Yankee farm system? Well, Jackson did, and descended in Detroit. But because of that, Granderson descended in N.Y. Montero descended in Seattle. Ian kennedy came from the system and descended in Arizona. Eduardo Nunez came up, but recently descended down to triple -A, to play SS full time, presumedly to replace Jeter, who is washed up. Austine Romine came up late last year with Montero, but descended onto the DL.....
      ..does this help??
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Middlebrooks is already a top ROY candidate... Is he also making a run at the AS Game? :   "Descent" player? Who was the last player to descend from the Yankee farm system? Well, Jackson did, and descended in Detroit. But because of that, Granderson descended in N.Y. Montero descended in Seattle. Ian kennedy came from the system and descended in Arizona. Eduardo Nunez came up, but recently descended down to triple -A, to play SS full time, presumedly to replace Jeter, who is washed up. Austine Romine came up late last year with Montero, but descended onto the DL.....   ..does this help??
    Posted by NHBALLFAN[/QUOTE]

    Tough to call Jeter washed up with the year he's having so far.  .376/.422/.546 with 5 HR's and 2 SB's.

     
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    [QUOTE]come on SPC make your moma proud on mothers day fess up and earn some credibility Also, who was the last descent position player to come out of the Yankees farm system. LOL do you really not remember what jackson did to the sox last month 571 .625 .857 1.482 maybe you can answer the question yourself after the next series / seatle
    Posted by pinstripezac[/QUOTE]Zac, his predictions are virtually the kiss of death for any player that he ordains as "the best". What usually happens is; his predictions don't materialize and out of embrassment or loss of interest, we can go weeks; maybe months without hearing from him again. As annoying as his refusal to alter his comments about the Yanks farm system are ... poor Middlebrooks now the equivalent of an SPC voodoo doll sitting on some lonely desktop somewhere deep in RS nation. I'm not sure you can be a ROY candidate with 42 AB, but I'm willing to bet he's the first one who thought of it. With that said; this kid looks like great so far.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Middlebrooks is already a top ROY candidate... Is he also making a run at the AS Game? : Tough to call Jeter washed up with the year he's having so far.  .376/.422/.546 with 5 HR's and 2 SB's.
    Posted by JB-3[/QUOTE]
      I'm joking about Jeter.
     
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    [QUOTE]He's already in the conversation for early ROY candidate.  There are only 2 players (Cabrera and Beltre) that are clearly ahead of him at this point for the AS Game.  Other than that he's in striking distance. Thoughts? Also, who was the last descent position player to come out of the Yankees farm system.  Was it Robinson Cano 7 years ago?
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988[/QUOTE]

    Yankees have some really decent postion players at the A and AA level.

    But most of their recent prospects to be promoted recently are pitchers.

    The kid that pitched against Boston last night Zach McAllister came up through the Yankee farm system he was then traded to the Indians for Austin Kearns. McAllister was drafted by the Yankees in 2006 along with Ian Kennedy who was moved with Austin Jackson for Granderson also in the 2006 draft they got Joba, David Robertson, Mark Melancon who they moved for Lance Berkman and Dellin Betances who is currently at AAA.

    They also had Jose Tabata in the Yankee farm system who they moved to the Pirates for Nady and Marte, and lets not forget Melky Cabrera.

    The Yankee signed both Alfredo Aceves and Manny Banuelos to minor league contracts as FAs from the Mexican leagues. Banuelos is at AAA just returned back from the DL and has had two decent appearances since returning.
     
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    Why stop with ROY and All-Star game? Hell, start making the plaque for Cooperstown.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Middlebrooks is already a top ROY candidate... Is he also making a run at the AS Game? : Exactly; he likes to beat his chest over a few games of success, (wasn't he one of those guys who dissed Montero's sample size last Sep?) although I admit Middlebrooks looks pretty good so far, yet feels the need to take a pot shot at the Yankees FS all in one fell swoop for a change. And FWIW, the RS farm system has been ranked the last two yrs at # 15, while the Yankee FS has been ranked #4. But don't let these facts get in the way.
    Posted by nhsteven[/QUOTE]


    As much as I like farm system rankings, at some point you really have yo acknowledge that they are really just some guy's opinion...
     
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    [QUOTE]He's already in the conversation for early ROY candidate.  There are only 2 players (Cabrera and Beltre) that are clearly ahead of him at this point for the AS Game.  Other than that he's in striking distance. Thoughts? Also, who was the last descent position player to come out of the Yankees farm system.  Was it Robinson Cano 7 years ago?
    Posted by SoxPatsCelts1988[/QUOTE]

    There may be only 2 others clealy ahead of him, but several others mariganlly ahead or within striking distance.

    Mike Moustakas, for example, should be considered marginally ahead.

    ROY candidates are fine in May, but last May or June or July, the award was all but handed to Michael Pineda.   How did that turn out?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Middlebrooks is already a top ROY candidate... Is he also making a run at the AS Game? : As much as I like farm system rankings, at some point you really have yo acknowledge that they are really just some guy's opinion...
    Posted by notin[/QUOTE]

    Agreed, but they are informed opinions, and are actually pooled rankings from several different scouting surveys.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Middlebrooks is already a top ROY candidate... Is he also making a run at the AS Game? :   I'm joking about Jeter.
    Posted by NHBALLFAN[/QUOTE]

    Ok.  There were many last year (including myself) who [rightfully] thought that Jeter was washed up.
     
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    [QUOTE]You guys should be ashamed of yourselves. The thread was about Middlebrooks. A Boston RED SOX player and you fools let it become a Yankee thread in half a heartbeat. Idiots!!!!!
    Posted by upperco1[/QUOTE]

    And the majority of posts are Yankee fans defending their farm system, not Sox fans talking about Middlebrooks. It's how the board works.

    They defend this board like it's Sox fans commenting on a Yankee board. It's not.
     
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    It's common knowledge that Yankee prospects are always given high marks. When they don't turn out well, the Yankees are like "Oh well." It's hilarious.

    And saying who you traded for your prospects after being given false high marks, really doesn't mean anything about the prospects themselves. It's how they perform that matters. Jsyk

    Btw when are all Yankee prospects finally going to become suspect?
     
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    Middlebrooks has been incredible for the Sox. I hope we don't have to give him up. Don't know about the ROY, but he has to be in there at this point.
     
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    And look at Zac with all his "do as you're told" posts in all of his threads. It reminds me of when Zac and Mikey had a stand-off in a thread demanding an apology from a Sox poster for something they said about the Yankees. As with that time, I hope he never does what he's told by Zac. Contrary to Zac's opinion, no one has to do as he's told by Zac. It's just his abusive way of trying to control what Sox fans say here on their own board.
     
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    I think Middlebrooks is the next Evan Longoria, only better than him...  He's hitting longballs off of breaking balls and to opposite fields from major league pitchers.  He's not going anywhere..
     
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      Dad & Bill-806 concur......  we called this one in spring training..... Youk Who ????
     
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    Boston isnt going to lock Middlebrook a long term contract!!

    He is just starting to make a noise at the major league level.  Also he is under the control by the red sox for a while.  Boston isnt going to lose him.

    Wait in a year or two and see how he do at the major league level, and then give a contract extension.

    Boston just have too many bad contracts, and most of them is hard to get rid of.

    Thefore, Boston can wait on this guy!!
     
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    Initially I thought when Youk came back, out of respect , he would start again....don't lose you job because of injury and all that.....but now I cannot see how they sit Middlebrooks....the kid is ready.....AAA at this point would be pointless, any weaknesses he has would be more easly improved at the Major League level. As for ROY, if he plays he will be in the conversation...I would bet his comeptition by year end will be Mike Trout...he also looks like the real deal.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Middlebrooks is already a top ROY candidate... Is he also making a run at the AS Game? : Zac, his predictions are virtually the kiss of death for any player that he ordains as "the best". What usually happens is; his predictions don't materialize and out of embrassment or loss of interest, we can go weeks; maybe months without hearing from him again. As annoying as his refusal to alter his comments about the Yanks farm system are ... poor Middlebrooks now the equivalent of an SPC voodoo doll sitting on some lonely desktop somewhere deep in RS nation. I'm not sure you can be a ROY candidate with 42 AB, but I'm willing to bet he's the first one who thought of it. With that said; this kid looks like great so far.
    Posted by pri360[/QUOTE]

    Do you mean like last year where after a hot start he predicted Lowrie would make the all star game?  Or his prediction that Andrew Miller would win 15 games? 
     
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    [QUOTE]I think Middlebrooks is the next Evan Longoria, only better than him...  He's hitting longballs off of breaking balls and to opposite fields from major league pitchers.  He's not going anywhere..
    Posted by seannybboi[/QUOTE] wow....big praise considering how good  Longoria is...not saying that he won't be deserving..
     
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    [QUOTE]I think Middlebrooks is the next Evan Longoria, only better than him...  He's hitting longballs off of breaking balls and to opposite fields from major league pitchers.  He's not going anywhere..
    Posted by seannybboi[/QUOTE]
    Will Middlebrooks bears little resemblance to Evan Longoria, according to their minor league statistics:

    WM 1706 PA, .276/.333/.454/.787, 128 BB (7.5%), 449 K (26.3%)
    EL 898 PA, .300/.386/.541/.926, 97 BB (10.8%), 161 K (17.9%)

    Longoria had already won an American League Rookie of the Year Award when the Ray was the current age of Middlebrooks.

    Middlebrooks' minor league strikeout rate easily exceeds that of Mark Reynolds.

    Middlebrooks has been highly impressive in 145 plate appearances over two levels this season, but his entire body of works suggests that Red Sox fans should temper their expectations.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Middlebrooks is already a top ROY candidate... Is he also making a run at the AS Game? : Do you mean like last year where after a hot start he predicted Lowrie would make the all star game?  Or his prediction that Andrew Miller would win 15 games? 
    Posted by LS350[/QUOTE]
    yes, just like that - and if it doesn't work out he'll go back to the pats forum and wait for the season to begin.
     
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    [QUOTE]Boston isnt going to lock Middlebrook a long term contract!! He is just starting to make a noise at the major league level.  Also he is under the control by the red sox for a while.  Boston isnt going to lose him. Wait in a year or two and see how he do at the major league level, and then give a contract extension. Boston just have too many bad contracts, and most of them is hard to get rid of. Thefore, Boston can wait on this guy!!
    Posted by GoUconn13[/QUOTE]

    Are you aware of the Longoria deal that I referenced?  6 years $17.5M total + 3 club option years, none of which is over $12M.

    If the Sox want to get under the CBT and stay there, deals like this are invaluable.  You're adding in multiple years around $500K into the AAV calculation.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Middlebrooks is already a top ROY candidate... Is he also making a run at the AS Game? : Will Middlebrooks bears little resemblance to Evan Longoria, according to their minor league statistics: WM 1706 PA, .276/.333/.454/.787, 128 BB (7.5%), 449 K (26.3%) EL 898 PA, .300/.386/.541/.926, 97 BB (10.8%), 161 K (17.9%) Longoria had already won an American League Rookie of the Year Award when the Ray was the current age of Middlebrooks. Middlebrooks' minor league strikeout rate easily exceeds that of Mark Reynolds. Middlebrooks has been highly impressive in 145 plate appearances over two levels this season, but his entire body of works suggests that Red Sox fans should temper their expectations.
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    A high K rate is not necessarily unacceptable, if it comes with a lot of power and a decent average.  You were singing Granderson's praises earlier in this thred, and his k% is over 30 (this year).


     

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