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    It's a good thing he wasn't a NYY, otherwise some would be declaring him Another overhyped prospect.

     



    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



    That's pretty hard to do.

     

     




     

    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     




    Don't know what you missed in my last post.

    His OPS the last 7 days 1.078

     
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    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



    That's pretty hard to do.

     

     




     

    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     



    And yet, you skipped what he did with the NYY in 2011. Who could have guessed it?

     

    Try not to cherry pick if you want to have a credible voice.

     
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    It's a good thing he wasn't a NYY, otherwise some would be declaring him Another overhyped prospect.

     



    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



    That's pretty hard to do.

     

     




     

    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     

     



    And yet, you skipped what he did with the NYY in 2011. Who could have guessed it?

     

     

    Try not to cherry pick if you want to have a credible voice.

     




     

    Cherry pick?

    Learn to read.

    From my first post this morning I said he has been hot the past 6 games.

    Has he or has he not?

     

     
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    It's a good thing he wasn't a NYY, otherwise some would be declaring him Another overhyped prospect.

     



    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



    That's pretty hard to do.

     

     




     

    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     

     



    And yet, you skipped what he did with the NYY in 2011. Who could have guessed it?

     

     

    Try not to cherry pick if you want to have a credible voice.




    Besides if you knew what you were talking about you would know that Montero's 2011 season ended early when he broke a finger.

    But you don't.

     
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    It's a good thing he wasn't a NYY, otherwise some would be declaring him Another overhyped prospect.

     



    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



    That's pretty hard to do.

     

     




     

    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     

     



    And yet, you skipped what he did with the NYY in 2011. Who could have guessed it?

     

     

    Try not to cherry pick if you want to have a credible voice.




    OK, my bad - I'll buy that 2011 was a push if you factor in his MLB at-bats.  But either way, 2012 was a step backwards.  And a push for a top prospect is a step back.

    Don't mind TWM - he thinks you're me :)

     

     
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    It's a good thing he wasn't a NYY, otherwise some would be declaring him Another overhyped prospect.

     



    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



    That's pretty hard to do.

     

     




     

    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     

     



    And yet, you skipped what he did with the NYY in 2011. Who could have guessed it?

     

     

    Try not to cherry pick if you want to have a credible voice.

     




     

    OK, my bad - I'll buy that 2011 was a push if you factor in his MLB at-bats.  But either way, 2012 was a step backwards.  And a push for a top prospect is a step back.

    Don't mind TWM - he thinks you're me :)

     



    2012 his first full season and official rookie season was a step back if you fail to consider surrounding circumstances to build a case.

    Which in desperation you do.

    Again.

    In 2012 He was a rookie sometimes batting 4th in the worst offensive lineup in the AL.

    Seattle was ranked offensively #28 out 30 in all of baseball in 2012.

    This season Seattle added Morse, Morales and Ibanez so he should see better pitches.

     
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    It's a good thing he wasn't a NYY, otherwise some would be declaring him Another overhyped prospect.

     



    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



    That's pretty hard to do.

     

     




     

    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     

     



    And yet, you skipped what he did with the NYY in 2011. Who could have guessed it?

     

     

    Try not to cherry pick if you want to have a credible voice.

     




     

    Besides if you knew what you were talking about you would know that Montero's 2011 season ended early when he broke a finger.

    But you don't.

     



     

      http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/8638

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS201109010.shtml

     2011 NYY 18 61 9 20 4 0 4 12 7 17 0 0 .328 .406 .590 .996     

     

    Finger or not, the #s from above are from Sep 2011, starting with the 1st of that month.

    More of the same sensationalized fiction from you, in this case for the purpose of school yard slander.

    The board is used to it by now.

     
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    It's a good thing he wasn't a NYY, otherwise some would be declaring him Another overhyped prospect.

     



    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



    That's pretty hard to do.

     

     




     

    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     

     



    And yet, you skipped what he did with the NYY in 2011. Who could have guessed it?

     

     

    Try not to cherry pick if you want to have a credible voice.

     




     

    OK, my bad - I'll buy that 2011 was a push if you factor in his MLB at-bats.  But either way, 2012 was a step backwards.  And a push for a top prospect is a step back.

    Don't mind TWM - he thinks you're me :)

     




    Fine, but tell the whole story.

     
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    It's a good thing he wasn't a NYY, otherwise some would be declaring him Another overhyped prospect.

     



    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



    That's pretty hard to do.

     

     




     

    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     

     



    And yet, you skipped what he did with the NYY in 2011. Who could have guessed it?

     

     

    Try not to cherry pick if you want to have a credible voice.

     




     

    OK, my bad - I'll buy that 2011 was a push if you factor in his MLB at-bats.  But either way, 2012 was a step backwards.  And a push for a top prospect is a step back.

    Don't mind TWM - he thinks you're me :)

     

     



     

    2012 his first full season and official rookie season was a step back if you fail to consider surrounding circumstances to build a case.

    Which in desperation you do.

    Again.

    In 2012 He was a rookie sometimes batting 4th in the worst offensive lineup in the AL.

    Seattle was ranked offensively #28 out 30 in all of baseball in 2012.

    This season Seattle added Morse, Morales and Ibanez so he should see better pitches.




    I didn't mean to hi-jack this thread, but here's the top 10 prospects from the pre-season Baseball America top 100.  

    1. Heyward

    2. Strasburg

    3. Stanton

    4. Montero

    5. Matusz

    6. Jennings

    7. Posey

    8. Alvarez

    9. Feliz

    10. Santana

    Forget not being in the same league as these guys - you couldn't trade Montero for an autograph of some of these guys.

     

     
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    It's a good thing he wasn't a NYY, otherwise some would be declaring him Another overhyped prospect.

     



    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



    That's pretty hard to do.

     

     




     

    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     

     



    And yet, you skipped what he did with the NYY in 2011. Who could have guessed it?

     

     

    Try not to cherry pick if you want to have a credible voice.

     




     

    OK, my bad - I'll buy that 2011 was a push if you factor in his MLB at-bats.  But either way, 2012 was a step backwards.  And a push for a top prospect is a step back.

    Don't mind TWM - he thinks you're me :)

     

     



     

    2012 his first full season and official rookie season was a step back if you fail to consider surrounding circumstances to build a case.

    Which in desperation you do.

    Again.

    In 2012 He was a rookie sometimes batting 4th in the worst offensive lineup in the AL.

    Seattle was ranked offensively #28 out 30 in all of baseball in 2012.

    This season Seattle added Morse, Morales and Ibanez so he should see better pitches.

     




     

    I didn't mean to hi-jack this thread, but here's the top 10 prospects from the pre-season Baseball America top 100.  

    1. Heyward

    2. Strasburg

    3. Stanton

    4. Montero

    5. Matusz

    6. Jennings

    7. Posey

    8. Alvarez

    9. Feliz

    10. Santana

    Forget not being in the same league as these guys - you couldn't trade Montero for an autograph of some of these guys.

     

     




     

    A few of those on the list are struggling.

    Hey look if Montero turns out be a flop I'd be the first one to admit it.

    But for you to write him off after just one season of MLB ball at age 22 is comical.

    Much much much too early in his career.

    I would have to give any player at least 2 full seasons to allow them to adjust to ML pitching and in his case dealing with a new team and Mgr. 

    I do believe he will step it up this season but the truth of the matter is that you are so entrenched in the notion that he was overhyped there is no turning back for face saving reasons.

    I think most folks here view you and your opinions as guided by your blind hate for anything Yankee and totally understand why you fail to be objective.

     

     
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    It's a good thing he wasn't a NYY, otherwise some would be declaring him Another overhyped prospect.

     



    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



    That's pretty hard to do.

     

     




     

    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     

     



    And yet, you skipped what he did with the NYY in 2011. Who could have guessed it?

     

     

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    OK, my bad - I'll buy that 2011 was a push if you factor in his MLB at-bats.  But either way, 2012 was a step backwards.  And a push for a top prospect is a step back.

    Don't mind TWM - he thinks you're me :)

     

     



     

    2012 his first full season and official rookie season was a step back if you fail to consider surrounding circumstances to build a case.

    Which in desperation you do.

    Again.

    In 2012 He was a rookie sometimes batting 4th in the worst offensive lineup in the AL.

    Seattle was ranked offensively #28 out 30 in all of baseball in 2012.

    This season Seattle added Morse, Morales and Ibanez so he should see better pitches.

     




     

    I didn't mean to hi-jack this thread, but here's the top 10 prospects from the pre-season Baseball America top 100.  

    1. Heyward

    2. Strasburg

    3. Stanton

    4. Montero

    5. Matusz

    6. Jennings

    7. Posey

    8. Alvarez

    9. Feliz

    10. Santana

    Forget not being in the same league as these guys - you couldn't trade Montero for an autograph of some of these guys.

     

     




     

    A few of those on the list are struggling.

    Hey look if Montero turns out be a flop I'd be the first one to admit it.

    But for you to write him off after just one season of MLB ball at age 22 is comical.

    Much much much too early in his career.

    I would have to give any player at least 2 full seasons to allow them to adjust to ML pitching and in his case dealing with a new team and Mgr. 

    I do believe he will step it up this season but the truth of the matter is that you are so entrenched in the notion that he was overhyped there is no turning back for face saving reasons.

    I think most folks here view you and your opinions as guided by your blind hate for anything Yankee and totally understand why you fail to be objective.

     



    Except it is entirely possible the Mariners do just that and bring up Zunino by June...

     
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    It's a good thing he wasn't a NYY, otherwise some would be declaring him Another overhyped prospect.

     



    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



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    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     

     



    And yet, you skipped what he did with the NYY in 2011. Who could have guessed it?

     

     

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    OK, my bad - I'll buy that 2011 was a push if you factor in his MLB at-bats.  But either way, 2012 was a step backwards.  And a push for a top prospect is a step back.

    Don't mind TWM - he thinks you're me :)

     

     



     

    2012 his first full season and official rookie season was a step back if you fail to consider surrounding circumstances to build a case.

    Which in desperation you do.

    Again.

    In 2012 He was a rookie sometimes batting 4th in the worst offensive lineup in the AL.

    Seattle was ranked offensively #28 out 30 in all of baseball in 2012.

    This season Seattle added Morse, Morales and Ibanez so he should see better pitches.

     




     

    I didn't mean to hi-jack this thread, but here's the top 10 prospects from the pre-season Baseball America top 100.  

    1. Heyward

    2. Strasburg

    3. Stanton

    4. Montero

    5. Matusz

    6. Jennings

    7. Posey

    8. Alvarez

    9. Feliz

    10. Santana

    Forget not being in the same league as these guys - you couldn't trade Montero for an autograph of some of these guys.

     

     




     

    A few of those on the list are struggling.

    Hey look if Montero turns out be a flop I'd be the first one to admit it.

    But for you to write him off after just one season of MLB ball at age 22 is comical.

    Much much much too early in his career.

    I would have to give any player at least 2 full seasons to allow them to adjust to ML pitching and in his case dealing with a new team and Mgr. 

    I do believe he will step it up this season but the truth of the matter is that you are so entrenched in the notion that he was overhyped there is no turning back for face saving reasons.

    I think most folks here view you and your opinions as guided by your blind hate for anything Yankee and totally understand why you fail to be objective.

     



    Thanks for helping me work through my issues, but you might want to turn that keen psychological eye inward.  The only reason I brought up Montero at all was in response to a Yankee fan claiming Middlebrooks was overhyped.  You guys throw a sucker punch, and when you get hit back you cry foul play.

     

     
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    slomag-

    Thanks for helping me work through my issues, but you might want to turn that keen psychological eye inward.  The only reason I brought up Montero at all was in response to a Yankee fan claiming Middlebrooks was overhyped.  You guys throw a sucker punch, and when you get hit back you cry foul play.

     

     




     That might be a decent response to bolster your argument if it was me who claimed Middlebrooks was overhyped.

    But it wasn't me.

    And I honestly have no idea what that has to do with the disagreement that exists between you and I.

    Nice try creating a strawman.

    For what it's worth Middlebrooks like Montero is a good prospect and both deserve decent time up at the MLB level before being written off.

    You in writing off Montero with such a small sample size at the MLB level are no better than whoever the Yankee fan is you are referring to.

    You simply can't write off a prospect after such a short period up in the majors.

    Especially those who have been given high marks by numerous impartial scouts like Montero has.

    And why I haven't.

    I've seen a lot of hyped prospects come and go in the 50-60 years I've followed the game.

    Rueben Sierra was supposed to be the next Roberto Clemente. 

    I remember Mickey Mantle coming up his first season and being a flop early on after all the hype that I heard from my Dad and my uncles, the next Joe DiMaggio was all I heard.

    I read a book about Mantle that detailed how he had such a difficult time adjusting his first year in the major leagues with the Yankees.

    One night he called home actually crying to his father on the other end about how hard it was after a few hitless games and being booed by the fans after striking out, his father disgusted replied ok Mick I'll drive to NY this weekend and you can start in the mine on Monday.

    Then Mantle started hitting and he had a decent career despite playing through all the injuries. But it is an example and it goes to show it takes time with certain players, not any two players are alike..

     

     
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    It's a good thing he wasn't a NYY, otherwise some would be declaring him Another overhyped prospect.

     



    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



    That's pretty hard to do.

     

     




     

    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     

     




     

    Don't know what you missed in my last post.

    His OPS the last 7 days 1.078



            Now the facts.

            Montero in the last 7 days is batting 214. That's heating up?

            In 60 at bats this season he has a total of 3 extra base hits and is hitting only .217. Wow.

           Shoppach has been doing the bulk of the catching of late with Montero either sitting out or DH'ing.

          

     
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    Neither Lava nor Montero have progressed as expected.

     

    Simplifying Jesus Montero Jeff Sullivan · April 18, 2013 · 

    .. between 2009 and 2010, Baseball America ranked Jesus Montero as the fourth-best prospect in the league. That was one slot behind Giancarlo Stanton, and a few slots above Buster Posey. The next year, BA ranked him as the third-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot behind Mike Trout. The year after that, BA ranked him as the sixth-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot ahead of Jurickson Profar. Scouting is scouting, and prospects are prospects, but nobody does the business better than Baseball America does, and for at least three years in a row, they absolutely loved Jesus Montero. They loved his skillset and they loved his future. It wasn’t a straight Yankees hype job — other sources, objective sources, saw Montero and saw his promise. Montero, if nothing else, was going to be a hell of a bat.

    .....Montero can’t be written off, not at this age and not after just 666 big-league plate appearances. 

    Is Montero going to stay as a catcher?

    • Almost certainly not, because he isn’t very good. It’s always been a question whether Montero could stick behind the plate, and while the Mariners seemed to make a commitment to him in 2013, they did so with an understanding that Mike Zunino shouldn’t be far off. If Zunino develops, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who can actually catch. Montero might be able to catch somewhere else, but he’s never going to be a good defensive catcher, and the reality is that his time at the position is probably just about up.

    Is Montero athletic?

    • lol no. Even after an offseason of learning how to run, Montero still can’t run, and he might be the least athletic player on the team. 

    Is Montero ever going to walk?

    • Jesus Montero isn’t programmed to draw walks. Over the equivalent of one full season, Montero has drawn unintentional walks in less than 5% of his plate appearances. 

    Is Montero ever going to hit for tremendous contact?

    • Montero’s career contact rate is 79%. That’s a little below average. There’s obvious room for improvement, and Montero should improve, probably, but the league’s best contact hitters tend to have been contact hitters all along. If things really break Montero’s way, he’ll eventually settle somewhere in the mid-80s or so. So far this year, he’s been worse than he was last year. A big part of making contact is pitch recognition. That’s the most difficult thing to teach, and Montero hasn’t yet learned it.

    Is Montero ever going to hit for big power?

    • And there’s the thing that made Montero such a super prospect. Scouts loved his power, or his power potential. We’ve seen occasional flashes of incredible strength, so we know for a fact that there’s a major power hitter in there. Montero’s ISO ceiling is at the level of a league elite.Montero keeps mis-hitting baseballs, even when he hits them, so he’s done a lousy job of barreling up. He hasn’t been able to tap into his power reserve, because he hasn’t had the recognition and timing right.

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    It's a good thing he wasn't a NYY, otherwise some would be declaring him Another overhyped prospect.

     



    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



    That's pretty hard to do.

     

     




     

    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     

     




     

    Don't know what you missed in my last post.

    His OPS the last 7 days 1.078

     



            Now the facts.

     

            Montero in the last 7 days is batting 214. That's heating up?

            In 60 at bats this season he has a total of 3 extra base hits and is hitting only .217. Wow.

           Shoppach has been doing the bulk of the catching of late with Montero either sitting out or DH'ing.

          

     




     

    As of yesterday when I wrote the post Montero's average like I wrote was .333 for the previous 6 days. 5 rbi in the previous three games.

    After yesterday's game that number changed, last 2 weeks .308.

    Montero caught Saturday and DHed yesterday. I believe he's caught 14 games of Seattle's 27 games to date, DHed 1 time.

    Don't ever let the facts get in your way.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=monteje01&year=2013&t=b

     
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    Neither Lava or Montero have progressed as expected.

     

    Simplifying Jesus Montero Jeff Sullivan · April 18, 2013 · 

    .. between 2009 and 2010, Baseball America ranked Jesus Montero as the fourth-best prospect in the league. That was one slot behind Giancarlo Stanton, and a few slots above Buster Posey. The next year, BA ranked him as the third-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot behind Mike Trout. The year after that, BA ranked him as the sixth-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot ahead of Jurickson Profar. Scouting is scouting, and prospects are prospects, but nobody does the business better than Baseball America does, and for at least three years in a row, they absolutely loved Jesus Montero. They loved his skillset and they loved his future. It wasn’t a straight Yankees hype job — other sources, objective sources, saw Montero and saw his promise. Montero, if nothing else, was going to be a hell of a bat.

    .....Montero can’t be written off, not at this age and not after just 666 big-league plate appearances. 

    Is Montero going to stay as a catcher?

    • Almost certainly not, because he isn’t very good. It’s always been a question whether Montero could stick behind the plate, and while the Mariners seemed to make a commitment to him in 2013, they did so with an understanding that Mike Zunino shouldn’t be far off. If Zunino develops, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who can actually catch. Montero might be able to catch somewhere else, but he’s never going to be a good defensive catcher, and the reality is that his time at the position is probably just about up.

    Is Montero athletic?

    • lol no. Even after an offseason of learning how to run, Montero still can’t run, and he might be the least athletic player on the team. 

    Is Montero ever going to walk?

    • Jesus Montero isn’t programmed to draw walks. Over the equivalent of one full season, Montero has drawn unintentional walks in less than 5% of his plate appearances. 

    Is Montero ever going to hit for tremendous contact?

    • Montero’s career contact rate is 79%. That’s a little below average. There’s obvious room for improvement, and Montero should improve, probably, but the league’s best contact hitters tend to have been contact hitters all along. If things really break Montero’s way, he’ll eventually settle somewhere in the mid-80s or so. So far this year, he’s been worse than he was last year. A big part of making contact is pitch recognition. That’s the most difficult thing to teach, and Montero hasn’t yet learned it.

    Is Montero ever going to hit for big power?

    • And there’s the thing that made Montero such a super prospect. Scouts loved his power, or his power potential. We’ve seen occasional flashes of incredible strength, so we know for a fact that there’s a major power hitter in there. Montero’s ISO ceiling is at the level of a league elite.Montero keeps mis-hitting baseballs, even when he hits them, so he’s done a lousy job of barreling up. He hasn’t been able to tap into his power reserve, because he hasn’t had the recognition and timing right.

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    Where is LaVarnway? Last I knew his average was below the mendoza line, and two years older than Montero correct?

     
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    Neither Lava or Montero have progressed as expected.

     

    Simplifying Jesus Montero Jeff Sullivan · April 18, 2013 · 

    .. between 2009 and 2010, Baseball America ranked Jesus Montero as the fourth-best prospect in the league. That was one slot behind Giancarlo Stanton, and a few slots above Buster Posey. The next year, BA ranked him as the third-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot behind Mike Trout. The year after that, BA ranked him as the sixth-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot ahead of Jurickson Profar. Scouting is scouting, and prospects are prospects, but nobody does the business better than Baseball America does, and for at least three years in a row, they absolutely loved Jesus Montero. They loved his skillset and they loved his future. It wasn’t a straight Yankees hype job — other sources, objective sources, saw Montero and saw his promise. Montero, if nothing else, was going to be a hell of a bat.

    .....Montero can’t be written off, not at this age and not after just 666 big-league plate appearances. 

    Is Montero going to stay as a catcher?

    • Almost certainly not, because he isn’t very good. It’s always been a question whether Montero could stick behind the plate, and while the Mariners seemed to make a commitment to him in 2013, they did so with an understanding that Mike Zunino shouldn’t be far off. If Zunino develops, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who can actually catch. Montero might be able to catch somewhere else, but he’s never going to be a good defensive catcher, and the reality is that his time at the position is probably just about up.

    Is Montero athletic?

    • lol no. Even after an offseason of learning how to run, Montero still can’t run, and he might be the least athletic player on the team. 

    Is Montero ever going to walk?

    • Jesus Montero isn’t programmed to draw walks. Over the equivalent of one full season, Montero has drawn unintentional walks in less than 5% of his plate appearances. 

    Is Montero ever going to hit for tremendous contact?

    • Montero’s career contact rate is 79%. That’s a little below average. There’s obvious room for improvement, and Montero should improve, probably, but the league’s best contact hitters tend to have been contact hitters all along. If things really break Montero’s way, he’ll eventually settle somewhere in the mid-80s or so. So far this year, he’s been worse than he was last year. A big part of making contact is pitch recognition. That’s the most difficult thing to teach, and Montero hasn’t yet learned it.

    Is Montero ever going to hit for big power?

    • And there’s the thing that made Montero such a super prospect. Scouts loved his power, or his power potential. We’ve seen occasional flashes of incredible strength, so we know for a fact that there’s a major power hitter in there. Montero’s ISO ceiling is at the level of a league elite.Montero keeps mis-hitting baseballs, even when he hits them, so he’s done a lousy job of barreling up. He hasn’t been able to tap into his power reserve, because he hasn’t had the recognition and timing right.

    http://www.ussmariner.com/2013/04/18/simplifying-jesus-montero/#comments

     

          3 years ago I thought Montero's future in MLB was that of a DH.

          I've seen nothing in his game to change that opinion concerning his defensive abilities.

          What has changed is his downward spiral at the plate.

          DH'ing isn't a position where you want a singles hitter batting less than his weight.

          He's still young enough where he might progress at the plate.

          Behind the plate is a loss cause.

          At least Middlebrooks has some athletic ability. So there's hope for him.

     
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    Simplifying Jesus Montero Jeff Sullivan · April 18, 2013 · 

    .. between 2009 and 2010, Baseball America ranked Jesus Montero as the fourth-best prospect in the league. That was one slot behind Giancarlo Stanton, and a few slots above Buster Posey. The next year, BA ranked him as the third-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot behind Mike Trout. The year after that, BA ranked him as the sixth-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot ahead of Jurickson Profar. Scouting is scouting, and prospects are prospects, but nobody does the business better than Baseball America does, and for at least three years in a row, they absolutely loved Jesus Montero. They loved his skillset and they loved his future. It wasn’t a straight Yankees hype job — other sources, objective sources, saw Montero and saw his promise. Montero, if nothing else, was going to be a hell of a bat.

    .....Montero can’t be written off, not at this age and not after just 666 big-league plate appearances. 

    Is Montero going to stay as a catcher?

    • Almost certainly not, because he isn’t very good. It’s always been a question whether Montero could stick behind the plate, and while the Mariners seemed to make a commitment to him in 2013, they did so with an understanding that Mike Zunino shouldn’t be far off. If Zunino develops, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who can actually catch. Montero might be able to catch somewhere else, but he’s never going to be a good defensive catcher, and the reality is that his time at the position is probably just about up.

    Is Montero athletic?

    • lol no. Even after an offseason of learning how to run, Montero still can’t run, and he might be the least athletic player on the team. 

    Is Montero ever going to walk?

    • Jesus Montero isn’t programmed to draw walks. Over the equivalent of one full season, Montero has drawn unintentional walks in less than 5% of his plate appearances. 

    Is Montero ever going to hit for tremendous contact?

    • Montero’s career contact rate is 79%. That’s a little below average. There’s obvious room for improvement, and Montero should improve, probably, but the league’s best contact hitters tend to have been contact hitters all along. If things really break Montero’s way, he’ll eventually settle somewhere in the mid-80s or so. So far this year, he’s been worse than he was last year. A big part of making contact is pitch recognition. That’s the most difficult thing to teach, and Montero hasn’t yet learned it.

    Is Montero ever going to hit for big power?

    • And there’s the thing that made Montero such a super prospect. Scouts loved his power, or his power potential. We’ve seen occasional flashes of incredible strength, so we know for a fact that there’s a major power hitter in there. Montero’s ISO ceiling is at the level of a league elite.Montero keeps mis-hitting baseballs, even when he hits them, so he’s done a lousy job of barreling up. He hasn’t been able to tap into his power reserve, because he hasn’t had the recognition and timing right.

    http://www.ussmariner.com/2013/04/18/simplifying-jesus-montero/#comments

     




     

    Where is LaVarnway? Last I knew his average was below the mendoza line, and two years older than Montero correct?



    Lavarnway has hit at every level of competition that he has been given a chance at. I do not consider a little over 100 PAs/yr over two years at the ML level as being given a chance. However, at the AAA level he has a career OPS of .891, at the AA level .878, and at the A level .901-each with a sample size of over 400 PAs. But don't let the facts interfere with your inability to stop badmouthing the Red Sox. Why change now, right?

     
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    Neither Lava or Montero have progressed as expected.

     

    Simplifying Jesus Montero Jeff Sullivan · April 18, 2013 · 

    .. between 2009 and 2010, Baseball America ranked Jesus Montero as the fourth-best prospect in the league. That was one slot behind Giancarlo Stanton, and a few slots above Buster Posey. The next year, BA ranked him as the third-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot behind Mike Trout. The year after that, BA ranked him as the sixth-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot ahead of Jurickson Profar. Scouting is scouting, and prospects are prospects, but nobody does the business better than Baseball America does, and for at least three years in a row, they absolutely loved Jesus Montero. They loved his skillset and they loved his future. It wasn’t a straight Yankees hype job — other sources, objective sources, saw Montero and saw his promise. Montero, if nothing else, was going to be a hell of a bat.

    .....Montero can’t be written off, not at this age and not after just 666 big-league plate appearances. 

    Is Montero going to stay as a catcher?

    • Almost certainly not, because he isn’t very good. It’s always been a question whether Montero could stick behind the plate, and while the Mariners seemed to make a commitment to him in 2013, they did so with an understanding that Mike Zunino shouldn’t be far off. If Zunino develops, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who can actually catch. Montero might be able to catch somewhere else, but he’s never going to be a good defensive catcher, and the reality is that his time at the position is probably just about up.

    Is Montero athletic?

    • lol no. Even after an offseason of learning how to run, Montero still can’t run, and he might be the least athletic player on the team. 

    Is Montero ever going to walk?

    • Jesus Montero isn’t programmed to draw walks. Over the equivalent of one full season, Montero has drawn unintentional walks in less than 5% of his plate appearances. 

    Is Montero ever going to hit for tremendous contact?

    • Montero’s career contact rate is 79%. That’s a little below average. There’s obvious room for improvement, and Montero should improve, probably, but the league’s best contact hitters tend to have been contact hitters all along. If things really break Montero’s way, he’ll eventually settle somewhere in the mid-80s or so. So far this year, he’s been worse than he was last year. A big part of making contact is pitch recognition. That’s the most difficult thing to teach, and Montero hasn’t yet learned it.

    Is Montero ever going to hit for big power?

    • And there’s the thing that made Montero such a super prospect. Scouts loved his power, or his power potential. We’ve seen occasional flashes of incredible strength, so we know for a fact that there’s a major power hitter in there. Montero’s ISO ceiling is at the level of a league elite.Montero keeps mis-hitting baseballs, even when he hits them, so he’s done a lousy job of barreling up. He hasn’t been able to tap into his power reserve, because he hasn’t had the recognition and timing right.

    http://www.ussmariner.com/2013/04/18/simplifying-jesus-montero/#comments

     

     

          3 years ago I thought Montero's future in MLB was that of a DH.

     

          I've seen nothing in his game to change that opinion concerning his defensive abilities.

          What has changed is his downward spiral at the plate.

          DH'ing isn't a position where you want a singles hitter batting less than his weight.

          He's still young enough where he might progress at the plate.

          Behind the plate is a loss cause.

          At least Middlebrooks has some athletic ability. So there's hope for him.

     




     

    I'd be willing to bet you have not seen one Seattle game this season with Montero catching.

    Johnny Bench he isn't but neither is Buster Posey nor was Jorge Posada.

    I watched him catch King Felix's last outing, where he also had a hr and 2 rbis.

    He looked good. Tell me Miquel Cabrera is a good 3rd baseman or Prince a good defensive first baseman.

    Mike Piazza was another catcher who was in the line up primarily for his bat.

    Only a stooge would write off a young prospect this early into their career.

     
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    It's a good thing he wasn't a NYY, otherwise some would be declaring him Another overhyped prospect.

     



    Middlebrooks actually came out of nowhere - only ranked once in BA top 100, before 2012, and only as high as 51.  Montero makes Middlebrooks look like Hank Aaron right now.

     

     

     



    That's pretty hard to do.

     

     




     

    Agreed.  Hard to believe scouts grouped him in with the likes of Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.

     

     




     

    Montero 2 hrs ba .333 last 6 games, a hr 2 rbis last night, 5 rbis the last three games.

    As I have said on previous occasions he will warm up with the weather.

     




     

    I guess you've dis-proved global warming then, because this kid gets worse every year.

    Jackie Bradley Jr was ranked one slot higher than Mason Williams in the Baseball America top 100.  Care to wager who has a better career?

     

     




     

    Montero hit.328 his first season up with the Yankees.

    His 2nd and his official rookie season unprotected in the middle of the lineup of the worst offensive team in the AL, number 28 out of the 30 MLB teams.

    Now at .333 the past 6 games, 5 RBis the past two.

    Who knows how if Bradley or Williams will even make it in the MLs?

     

     



    They can still have minor-league careers.  If Mason never makes it out of High-A ball, I win.

     

    In 2009, Montero posted a .951 OPS in A+ - AA 

    In 2010, he posted .870 at AAA - at best a push

    In 2011, he posted .814 at AAA - a step backwards

    In 2012 he posted .685 at the major-league level

    Thus far in 2013, .601

     

     




     

    Don't know what you missed in my last post.

    His OPS the last 7 days 1.078

     



            Now the facts.

     

            Montero in the last 7 days is batting 214. That's heating up?

            In 60 at bats this season he has a total of 3 extra base hits and is hitting only .217. Wow.

           Shoppach has been doing the bulk of the catching of late with Montero either sitting out or DH'ing.

          

     




     

    As of yesterday when I wrote the post Montero's average like I wrote was .333 for the previous 6 days. 5 rbi in the previous three games.

    After yesterday's game that number changed, last 2 weeks .308.

    Montero caught Saturday and DHed yesterday. I believe he's caught 14 games of Seattle's 27 games to date, DHed 1 time.

    Don't ever let the facts get in your way.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?id=monteje01&year=2013&t=b



                The great Montero is catching every other game sharing the duties with a nobody.

                Watching games from the bench as well.

                3 extra base hits all season with a .217 BA.

                Yea, another one of your can't miss that missed.

                Too funny Pop's.

     
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    Neither Lava or Montero have progressed as expected.

     

    Simplifying Jesus Montero Jeff Sullivan · April 18, 2013 · 

    .. between 2009 and 2010, Baseball America ranked Jesus Montero as the fourth-best prospect in the league. That was one slot behind Giancarlo Stanton, and a few slots above Buster Posey. The next year, BA ranked him as the third-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot behind Mike Trout. The year after that, BA ranked him as the sixth-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot ahead of Jurickson Profar. Scouting is scouting, and prospects are prospects, but nobody does the business better than Baseball America does, and for at least three years in a row, they absolutely loved Jesus Montero. They loved his skillset and they loved his future. It wasn’t a straight Yankees hype job — other sources, objective sources, saw Montero and saw his promise. Montero, if nothing else, was going to be a hell of a bat.

    .....Montero can’t be written off, not at this age and not after just 666 big-league plate appearances. 

    Is Montero going to stay as a catcher?

    • Almost certainly not, because he isn’t very good. It’s always been a question whether Montero could stick behind the plate, and while the Mariners seemed to make a commitment to him in 2013, they did so with an understanding that Mike Zunino shouldn’t be far off. If Zunino develops, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who can actually catch. Montero might be able to catch somewhere else, but he’s never going to be a good defensive catcher, and the reality is that his time at the position is probably just about up.

    Is Montero athletic?

    • lol no. Even after an offseason of learning how to run, Montero still can’t run, and he might be the least athletic player on the team. 

    Is Montero ever going to walk?

    • Jesus Montero isn’t programmed to draw walks. Over the equivalent of one full season, Montero has drawn unintentional walks in less than 5% of his plate appearances. 

    Is Montero ever going to hit for tremendous contact?

    • Montero’s career contact rate is 79%. That’s a little below average. There’s obvious room for improvement, and Montero should improve, probably, but the league’s best contact hitters tend to have been contact hitters all along. If things really break Montero’s way, he’ll eventually settle somewhere in the mid-80s or so. So far this year, he’s been worse than he was last year. A big part of making contact is pitch recognition. That’s the most difficult thing to teach, and Montero hasn’t yet learned it.

    Is Montero ever going to hit for big power?

    • And there’s the thing that made Montero such a super prospect. Scouts loved his power, or his power potential. We’ve seen occasional flashes of incredible strength, so we know for a fact that there’s a major power hitter in there. Montero’s ISO ceiling is at the level of a league elite.Montero keeps mis-hitting baseballs, even when he hits them, so he’s done a lousy job of barreling up. He hasn’t been able to tap into his power reserve, because he hasn’t had the recognition and timing right.

    http://www.ussmariner.com/2013/04/18/simplifying-jesus-montero/#comments

     

     

          3 years ago I thought Montero's future in MLB was that of a DH.

     

          I've seen nothing in his game to change that opinion concerning his defensive abilities.

          What has changed is his downward spiral at the plate.

          DH'ing isn't a position where you want a singles hitter batting less than his weight.

          He's still young enough where he might progress at the plate.

          Behind the plate is a loss cause.

          At least Middlebrooks has some athletic ability. So there's hope for him.

     




     

    I'd be willing to bet you have not seen one Seattle game this season with Montero catching.

    Johnny Bench he isn't but neither is Buster Posey nor was Jorge Posada.

    I watched him catch King Felix's last outing, where he also had a hr and 2 rbis.

    He looked good. Tell me Miquel Cabrera is a good 3rd baseman or Prince a good defensive first baseman.

    Mike Piazza was another catcher who was in the line up primarily for his bat.

    Only a stooge would write off a young prospect this early into their career.

               "write off"

             Appears Seattle has lost whatever confidence they had in him.

             Why else would they give a journeyman like Kelly S. so much playing time.

            

     
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    Simplifying Jesus Montero Jeff Sullivan · April 18, 2013 · 

    .. between 2009 and 2010, Baseball America ranked Jesus Montero as the fourth-best prospect in the league. That was one slot behind Giancarlo Stanton, and a few slots above Buster Posey. The next year, BA ranked him as the third-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot behind Mike Trout. The year after that, BA ranked him as the sixth-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot ahead of Jurickson Profar. Scouting is scouting, and prospects are prospects, but nobody does the business better than Baseball America does, and for at least three years in a row, they absolutely loved Jesus Montero. They loved his skillset and they loved his future. It wasn’t a straight Yankees hype job — other sources, objective sources, saw Montero and saw his promise. Montero, if nothing else, was going to be a hell of a bat.

    .....Montero can’t be written off, not at this age and not after just 666 big-league plate appearances. 

    Is Montero going to stay as a catcher?

    • Almost certainly not, because he isn’t very good. It’s always been a question whether Montero could stick behind the plate, and while the Mariners seemed to make a commitment to him in 2013, they did so with an understanding that Mike Zunino shouldn’t be far off. If Zunino develops, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who can actually catch. Montero might be able to catch somewhere else, but he’s never going to be a good defensive catcher, and the reality is that his time at the position is probably just about up.

    Is Montero athletic?

    • lol no. Even after an offseason of learning how to run, Montero still can’t run, and he might be the least athletic player on the team. 

    Is Montero ever going to walk?

    • Jesus Montero isn’t programmed to draw walks. Over the equivalent of one full season, Montero has drawn unintentional walks in less than 5% of his plate appearances. 

    Is Montero ever going to hit for tremendous contact?

    • Montero’s career contact rate is 79%. That’s a little below average. There’s obvious room for improvement, and Montero should improve, probably, but the league’s best contact hitters tend to have been contact hitters all along. If things really break Montero’s way, he’ll eventually settle somewhere in the mid-80s or so. So far this year, he’s been worse than he was last year. A big part of making contact is pitch recognition. That’s the most difficult thing to teach, and Montero hasn’t yet learned it.

    Is Montero ever going to hit for big power?

    • And there’s the thing that made Montero such a super prospect. Scouts loved his power, or his power potential. We’ve seen occasional flashes of incredible strength, so we know for a fact that there’s a major power hitter in there. Montero’s ISO ceiling is at the level of a league elite.Montero keeps mis-hitting baseballs, even when he hits them, so he’s done a lousy job of barreling up. He hasn’t been able to tap into his power reserve, because he hasn’t had the recognition and timing right.

    http://www.ussmariner.com/2013/04/18/simplifying-jesus-montero/#comments

     




     

    Where is LaVarnway? Last I knew his average was below the mendoza line, and two years older than Montero correct?

     



    Lavarnway has hit at every level of competition that he has been given a chance at. I do not consider a little over 100 PAs/yr over two years at the ML level as being given a chance. However, at the AAA level he has a career OPS of .891, at the AA level .878, and at the A level .901-each with a sample size of over 400 PAs. But don't let the facts interfere with your inability to stop badmouthing the Red Sox. Why change now, right?

     

     




     

    It wasn't me who made the comparison with Montero and LaVarnway it was Tom from UK.

    I responded to it in a logical way. Maybe that's why you have a problem with it.

    Catcher's typically take longer to develope because of the skills required at the MLB level.

    And why I pointed out LaVarnway was 2 years older than Montero.

    Which is a lot at this stage of young catchers developement.

    Look at the ages of some of the catchers when they were ultimately brought up to stay.

    I think Posada was 24, I think Carlton Fiske was 23.

    Not all are freaks like Johnny Bench or Joe Mauer, two of the games greatest.

    As far as I know Lavarnway was just demoted and hasn't hit well this season, if the truth hurts don't read my posts.

     
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    Simplifying Jesus Montero Jeff Sullivan · April 18, 2013 · 

    .. between 2009 and 2010, Baseball America ranked Jesus Montero as the fourth-best prospect in the league. That was one slot behind Giancarlo Stanton, and a few slots above Buster Posey. The next year, BA ranked him as the third-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot behind Mike Trout. The year after that, BA ranked him as the sixth-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot ahead of Jurickson Profar. Scouting is scouting, and prospects are prospects, but nobody does the business better than Baseball America does, and for at least three years in a row, they absolutely loved Jesus Montero. They loved his skillset and they loved his future. It wasn’t a straight Yankees hype job — other sources, objective sources, saw Montero and saw his promise. Montero, if nothing else, was going to be a hell of a bat.

    .....Montero can’t be written off, not at this age and not after just 666 big-league plate appearances. 

    Is Montero going to stay as a catcher?

    • Almost certainly not, because he isn’t very good. It’s always been a question whether Montero could stick behind the plate, and while the Mariners seemed to make a commitment to him in 2013, they did so with an understanding that Mike Zunino shouldn’t be far off. If Zunino develops, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who can actually catch. Montero might be able to catch somewhere else, but he’s never going to be a good defensive catcher, and the reality is that his time at the position is probably just about up.

    Is Montero athletic?

    • lol no. Even after an offseason of learning how to run, Montero still can’t run, and he might be the least athletic player on the team. 

    Is Montero ever going to walk?

    • Jesus Montero isn’t programmed to draw walks. Over the equivalent of one full season, Montero has drawn unintentional walks in less than 5% of his plate appearances. 

    Is Montero ever going to hit for tremendous contact?

    • Montero’s career contact rate is 79%. That’s a little below average. There’s obvious room for improvement, and Montero should improve, probably, but the league’s best contact hitters tend to have been contact hitters all along. If things really break Montero’s way, he’ll eventually settle somewhere in the mid-80s or so. So far this year, he’s been worse than he was last year. A big part of making contact is pitch recognition. That’s the most difficult thing to teach, and Montero hasn’t yet learned it.

    Is Montero ever going to hit for big power?

    • And there’s the thing that made Montero such a super prospect. Scouts loved his power, or his power potential. We’ve seen occasional flashes of incredible strength, so we know for a fact that there’s a major power hitter in there. Montero’s ISO ceiling is at the level of a league elite.Montero keeps mis-hitting baseballs, even when he hits them, so he’s done a lousy job of barreling up. He hasn’t been able to tap into his power reserve, because he hasn’t had the recognition and timing right.

    http://www.ussmariner.com/2013/04/18/simplifying-jesus-montero/#comments

     

     

          3 years ago I thought Montero's future in MLB was that of a DH.

     

          I've seen nothing in his game to change that opinion concerning his defensive abilities.

          What has changed is his downward spiral at the plate.

          DH'ing isn't a position where you want a singles hitter batting less than his weight.

          He's still young enough where he might progress at the plate.

          Behind the plate is a loss cause.

          At least Middlebrooks has some athletic ability. So there's hope for him.

     




     

    I'd be willing to bet you have not seen one Seattle game this season with Montero catching.

    Johnny Bench he isn't but neither is Buster Posey nor was Jorge Posada.

    I watched him catch King Felix's last outing, where he also had a hr and 2 rbis.

    He looked good. Tell me Miquel Cabrera is a good 3rd baseman or Prince a good defensive first baseman.

    Mike Piazza was another catcher who was in the line up primarily for his bat.

    Only a stooge would write off a young prospect this early into their career.

     

     

               "write off"

             Appears Seattle has lost whatever confidence they had in him.

             Why else would they give a journeyman like Kelly S. so much playing time.

            




    Must be why Montero caught King Felix the last few times out.

    Or why he caught Saturday and then DHed Sunday.

     

     
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