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    The name of the book on Mickey Mantle is 'The Mick'.   It's very interesting reading.




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    Neither Lava or Montero have progressed as expected.

     

    Simplifying Jesus Montero Jeff Sullivan · April 18, 2013 · 

    .. between 2009 and 2010, Baseball America ranked Jesus Montero as the fourth-best prospect in the league. That was one slot behind Giancarlo Stanton, and a few slots above Buster Posey. The next year, BA ranked him as the third-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot behind Mike Trout. The year after that, BA ranked him as the sixth-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot ahead of Jurickson Profar. Scouting is scouting, and prospects are prospects, but nobody does the business better than Baseball America does, and for at least three years in a row, they absolutely loved Jesus Montero. They loved his skillset and they loved his future. It wasn’t a straight Yankees hype job — other sources, objective sources, saw Montero and saw his promise. Montero, if nothing else, was going to be a hell of a bat.

    .....Montero can’t be written off, not at this age and not after just 666 big-league plate appearances. 

    Is Montero going to stay as a catcher?

    • Almost certainly not, because he isn’t very good. It’s always been a question whether Montero could stick behind the plate, and while the Mariners seemed to make a commitment to him in 2013, they did so with an understanding that Mike Zunino shouldn’t be far off. If Zunino develops, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who can actually catch. Montero might be able to catch somewhere else, but he’s never going to be a good defensive catcher, and the reality is that his time at the position is probably just about up.

    Is Montero athletic?

    • lol no. Even after an offseason of learning how to run, Montero still can’t run, and he might be the least athletic player on the team. 

    Is Montero ever going to walk?

    • Jesus Montero isn’t programmed to draw walks. Over the equivalent of one full season, Montero has drawn unintentional walks in less than 5% of his plate appearances. 

    Is Montero ever going to hit for tremendous contact?

    • Montero’s career contact rate is 79%. That’s a little below average. There’s obvious room for improvement, and Montero should improve, probably, but the league’s best contact hitters tend to have been contact hitters all along. If things really break Montero’s way, he’ll eventually settle somewhere in the mid-80s or so. So far this year, he’s been worse than he was last year. A big part of making contact is pitch recognition. That’s the most difficult thing to teach, and Montero hasn’t yet learned it.

    Is Montero ever going to hit for big power?

    • And there’s the thing that made Montero such a super prospect. Scouts loved his power, or his power potential. We’ve seen occasional flashes of incredible strength, so we know for a fact that there’s a major power hitter in there. Montero’s ISO ceiling is at the level of a league elite.Montero keeps mis-hitting baseballs, even when he hits them, so he’s done a lousy job of barreling up. He hasn’t been able to tap into his power reserve, because he hasn’t had the recognition and timing right.

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    Where is LaVarnway? Last I knew his average was below the mendoza line, and two years older than Montero correct?

     




     

    The only thing I worry about with Lavarnway is that his power has dipped the last couple of years.  Is that permanent?  Hard to say.  But his defense has come a long way, he is great at throwing out runners (32% last year, 44% thus far this year) and he still gets on base 4 out of 10 trips to the plate.  I don't know how you can consider that a step down from what Montero has done thus far in his career.  More to the point, nobody ever ranked Lavarnway alongside Trout, Harper & Stanton.  

     

     




     

    Point #1. Montero is catching at the MLB level LaVarnway isn't.

    Point#2. LaVarnway is two years older than Montero.



    Point #3: Lavarnway hit better at the AAA level than Montero and deserves to be given a real tryout at the ML level, where Montero has so far failed to impress.

     
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    The name of the book on Mickey Mantle is 'The Mick'.   It's very interesting reading.

     




     

    "The Last Boy" another good one Amp.




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    Neither Lava or Montero have progressed as expected.

     

    Simplifying Jesus Montero Jeff Sullivan · April 18, 2013 · 

    .. between 2009 and 2010, Baseball America ranked Jesus Montero as the fourth-best prospect in the league. That was one slot behind Giancarlo Stanton, and a few slots above Buster Posey. The next year, BA ranked him as the third-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot behind Mike Trout. The year after that, BA ranked him as the sixth-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot ahead of Jurickson Profar. Scouting is scouting, and prospects are prospects, but nobody does the business better than Baseball America does, and for at least three years in a row, they absolutely loved Jesus Montero. They loved his skillset and they loved his future. It wasn’t a straight Yankees hype job — other sources, objective sources, saw Montero and saw his promise. Montero, if nothing else, was going to be a hell of a bat.

    .....Montero can’t be written off, not at this age and not after just 666 big-league plate appearances. 

    Is Montero going to stay as a catcher?

    • Almost certainly not, because he isn’t very good. It’s always been a question whether Montero could stick behind the plate, and while the Mariners seemed to make a commitment to him in 2013, they did so with an understanding that Mike Zunino shouldn’t be far off. If Zunino develops, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who can actually catch. Montero might be able to catch somewhere else, but he’s never going to be a good defensive catcher, and the reality is that his time at the position is probably just about up.

    Is Montero athletic?

    • lol no. Even after an offseason of learning how to run, Montero still can’t run, and he might be the least athletic player on the team. 

    Is Montero ever going to walk?

    • Jesus Montero isn’t programmed to draw walks. Over the equivalent of one full season, Montero has drawn unintentional walks in less than 5% of his plate appearances. 

    Is Montero ever going to hit for tremendous contact?

    • Montero’s career contact rate is 79%. That’s a little below average. There’s obvious room for improvement, and Montero should improve, probably, but the league’s best contact hitters tend to have been contact hitters all along. If things really break Montero’s way, he’ll eventually settle somewhere in the mid-80s or so. So far this year, he’s been worse than he was last year. A big part of making contact is pitch recognition. That’s the most difficult thing to teach, and Montero hasn’t yet learned it.

    Is Montero ever going to hit for big power?

    • And there’s the thing that made Montero such a super prospect. Scouts loved his power, or his power potential. We’ve seen occasional flashes of incredible strength, so we know for a fact that there’s a major power hitter in there. Montero’s ISO ceiling is at the level of a league elite.Montero keeps mis-hitting baseballs, even when he hits them, so he’s done a lousy job of barreling up. He hasn’t been able to tap into his power reserve, because he hasn’t had the recognition and timing right.

    http://www.ussmariner.com/2013/04/18/simplifying-jesus-montero/#comments

     




     

    Where is LaVarnway? Last I knew his average was below the mendoza line, and two years older than Montero correct?

     




     

    The only thing I worry about with Lavarnway is that his power has dipped the last couple of years.  Is that permanent?  Hard to say.  But his defense has come a long way, he is great at throwing out runners (32% last year, 44% thus far this year) and he still gets on base 4 out of 10 trips to the plate.  I don't know how you can consider that a step down from what Montero has done thus far in his career.  More to the point, nobody ever ranked Lavarnway alongside Trout, Harper & Stanton.  

     

     




     

    Point #1. Montero is catching at the MLB level LaVarnway isn't.

    Point#2. LaVarnway is two years older than Montero.

     



    Point #3: Lavarnway hit better at the AAA level than Montero and deserves to be given a real tryout at the ML level, where Montero has so far failed to impress.

     

     




    Montero broke his finger in 2010 cutting his season short at AAA if that is the year you're referring to.

     In 2011 he was promoted to the Yankees from AAA where he hit.328 for the remainder of that season and went 2 for 2 in the post season.

    LaVarnway is two years older than Montero is, how can you compare a player who is still at AAA with one playing in the majors who is two years younger?

     

     

     

     
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    Neither Lava or Montero have progressed as expected.

     

    Simplifying Jesus Montero Jeff Sullivan · April 18, 2013 · 

    .. between 2009 and 2010, Baseball America ranked Jesus Montero as the fourth-best prospect in the league. That was one slot behind Giancarlo Stanton, and a few slots above Buster Posey. The next year, BA ranked him as the third-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot behind Mike Trout. The year after that, BA ranked him as the sixth-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot ahead of Jurickson Profar. Scouting is scouting, and prospects are prospects, but nobody does the business better than Baseball America does, and for at least three years in a row, they absolutely loved Jesus Montero. They loved his skillset and they loved his future. It wasn’t a straight Yankees hype job — other sources, objective sources, saw Montero and saw his promise. Montero, if nothing else, was going to be a hell of a bat.

    .....Montero can’t be written off, not at this age and not after just 666 big-league plate appearances. 

    Is Montero going to stay as a catcher?

    • Almost certainly not, because he isn’t very good. It’s always been a question whether Montero could stick behind the plate, and while the Mariners seemed to make a commitment to him in 2013, they did so with an understanding that Mike Zunino shouldn’t be far off. If Zunino develops, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who can actually catch. Montero might be able to catch somewhere else, but he’s never going to be a good defensive catcher, and the reality is that his time at the position is probably just about up.

    Is Montero athletic?

    • lol no. Even after an offseason of learning how to run, Montero still can’t run, and he might be the least athletic player on the team. 

    Is Montero ever going to walk?

    • Jesus Montero isn’t programmed to draw walks. Over the equivalent of one full season, Montero has drawn unintentional walks in less than 5% of his plate appearances. 

    Is Montero ever going to hit for tremendous contact?

    • Montero’s career contact rate is 79%. That’s a little below average. There’s obvious room for improvement, and Montero should improve, probably, but the league’s best contact hitters tend to have been contact hitters all along. If things really break Montero’s way, he’ll eventually settle somewhere in the mid-80s or so. So far this year, he’s been worse than he was last year. A big part of making contact is pitch recognition. That’s the most difficult thing to teach, and Montero hasn’t yet learned it.

    Is Montero ever going to hit for big power?

    • And there’s the thing that made Montero such a super prospect. Scouts loved his power, or his power potential. We’ve seen occasional flashes of incredible strength, so we know for a fact that there’s a major power hitter in there. Montero’s ISO ceiling is at the level of a league elite.Montero keeps mis-hitting baseballs, even when he hits them, so he’s done a lousy job of barreling up. He hasn’t been able to tap into his power reserve, because he hasn’t had the recognition and timing right.

    http://www.ussmariner.com/2013/04/18/simplifying-jesus-montero/#comments

     




     

    Where is LaVarnway? Last I knew his average was below the mendoza line, and two years older than Montero correct?

     




     

    The only thing I worry about with Lavarnway is that his power has dipped the last couple of years.  Is that permanent?  Hard to say.  But his defense has come a long way, he is great at throwing out runners (32% last year, 44% thus far this year) and he still gets on base 4 out of 10 trips to the plate.  I don't know how you can consider that a step down from what Montero has done thus far in his career.  More to the point, nobody ever ranked Lavarnway alongside Trout, Harper & Stanton.  

     

     




     

    Point #1. Montero is catching at the MLB level LaVarnway isn't.

    Point#2. LaVarnway is two years older than Montero.

     



    Point #3: Lavarnway hit better at the AAA level than Montero and deserves to be given a real tryout at the ML level, where Montero has so far failed to impress.

     

     




    Montero broke his finger in 2010 cutting his season short at AAA if that is the year you're referring to.

     In 2011 he was promoted to the Yankees from AAA where he hit.328 for the remainder of that season and went 2 for 2 in the post season.

    LaVarnway is two years older than Montero is, how can you compare a player who is still at AAA with one playing in the majors who is two years younger?

     

     

     



    I am comparing Montero and Lavarnway vis a vis their AAA statistics only. Thats a fair comparison. I cannot compare their ML records since Lavarnway was never given a chance to play regularly at that level. Its also a fair statement that so far Montero has not been impressive in the majors. How Lavarnway will fare there is anyone's guess, but he certainly deserves a shot-somewhere.

     
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    Neither Lava or Montero have progressed as expected.

     

    Simplifying Jesus Montero Jeff Sullivan · April 18, 2013 · 

    .. between 2009 and 2010, Baseball America ranked Jesus Montero as the fourth-best prospect in the league. That was one slot behind Giancarlo Stanton, and a few slots above Buster Posey. The next year, BA ranked him as the third-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot behind Mike Trout. The year after that, BA ranked him as the sixth-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot ahead of Jurickson Profar. Scouting is scouting, and prospects are prospects, but nobody does the business better than Baseball America does, and for at least three years in a row, they absolutely loved Jesus Montero. They loved his skillset and they loved his future. It wasn’t a straight Yankees hype job — other sources, objective sources, saw Montero and saw his promise. Montero, if nothing else, was going to be a hell of a bat.

    .....Montero can’t be written off, not at this age and not after just 666 big-league plate appearances. 

    Is Montero going to stay as a catcher?

    • Almost certainly not, because he isn’t very good. It’s always been a question whether Montero could stick behind the plate, and while the Mariners seemed to make a commitment to him in 2013, they did so with an understanding that Mike Zunino shouldn’t be far off. If Zunino develops, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who can actually catch. Montero might be able to catch somewhere else, but he’s never going to be a good defensive catcher, and the reality is that his time at the position is probably just about up.

    Is Montero athletic?

    • lol no. Even after an offseason of learning how to run, Montero still can’t run, and he might be the least athletic player on the team. 

    Is Montero ever going to walk?

    • Jesus Montero isn’t programmed to draw walks. Over the equivalent of one full season, Montero has drawn unintentional walks in less than 5% of his plate appearances. 

    Is Montero ever going to hit for tremendous contact?

    • Montero’s career contact rate is 79%. That’s a little below average. There’s obvious room for improvement, and Montero should improve, probably, but the league’s best contact hitters tend to have been contact hitters all along. If things really break Montero’s way, he’ll eventually settle somewhere in the mid-80s or so. So far this year, he’s been worse than he was last year. A big part of making contact is pitch recognition. That’s the most difficult thing to teach, and Montero hasn’t yet learned it.

    Is Montero ever going to hit for big power?

    • And there’s the thing that made Montero such a super prospect. Scouts loved his power, or his power potential. We’ve seen occasional flashes of incredible strength, so we know for a fact that there’s a major power hitter in there. Montero’s ISO ceiling is at the level of a league elite.Montero keeps mis-hitting baseballs, even when he hits them, so he’s done a lousy job of barreling up. He hasn’t been able to tap into his power reserve, because he hasn’t had the recognition and timing right.

    http://www.ussmariner.com/2013/04/18/simplifying-jesus-montero/#comments

     




     

    Where is LaVarnway? Last I knew his average was below the mendoza line, and two years older than Montero correct?

     




     

    The only thing I worry about with Lavarnway is that his power has dipped the last couple of years.  Is that permanent?  Hard to say.  But his defense has come a long way, he is great at throwing out runners (32% last year, 44% thus far this year) and he still gets on base 4 out of 10 trips to the plate.  I don't know how you can consider that a step down from what Montero has done thus far in his career.  More to the point, nobody ever ranked Lavarnway alongside Trout, Harper & Stanton.  

     

     




     

    Point #1. Montero is catching at the MLB level LaVarnway isn't.

    Point#2. LaVarnway is two years older than Montero.

     



    Point #3: Lavarnway hit better at the AAA level than Montero and deserves to be given a real tryout at the ML level, where Montero has so far failed to impress.

     

     




    Montero broke his finger in 2010 cutting his season short at AAA if that is the year you're referring to.

     In 2011 he was promoted to the Yankees from AAA where he hit.328 for the remainder of that season and went 2 for 2 in the post season.

    LaVarnway is two years older than Montero is, how can you compare a player who is still at AAA with one playing in the majors who is two years younger?

     

     

     

     



    I am comparing Montero and Lavarnway vis a vis their AAA statistics only. Thats a fair comparison. I cannot compare their ML records since Lavarnway was never given a chance to play regularly at that level. Its also a fair statement that so far Montero has not been impressive in the majors. How Lavarnway will fare there is anyone's guess, but he certainly deserves a shot-somewhere.

     




    Montero could be struggling but his BA at the ML level is close to 100 pts higher than Lavarnways ML BA while with the Sox.

    Montero with more at bats at MLB level and again he is two years younger than Lavarnway who is still at AAA.

    To make a fair comparison between the two when Lavarnway was Montero's current age he was only at "A" ball.

     

     
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    Neither Lava or Montero have progressed as expected.

     

    Simplifying Jesus Montero Jeff Sullivan · April 18, 2013 · 

    .. between 2009 and 2010, Baseball America ranked Jesus Montero as the fourth-best prospect in the league. That was one slot behind Giancarlo Stanton, and a few slots above Buster Posey. The next year, BA ranked him as the third-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot behind Mike Trout. The year after that, BA ranked him as the sixth-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot ahead of Jurickson Profar. Scouting is scouting, and prospects are prospects, but nobody does the business better than Baseball America does, and for at least three years in a row, they absolutely loved Jesus Montero. They loved his skillset and they loved his future. It wasn’t a straight Yankees hype job — other sources, objective sources, saw Montero and saw his promise. Montero, if nothing else, was going to be a hell of a bat.

    .....Montero can’t be written off, not at this age and not after just 666 big-league plate appearances. 

    Is Montero going to stay as a catcher?

    • Almost certainly not, because he isn’t very good. It’s always been a question whether Montero could stick behind the plate, and while the Mariners seemed to make a commitment to him in 2013, they did so with an understanding that Mike Zunino shouldn’t be far off. If Zunino develops, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who can actually catch. Montero might be able to catch somewhere else, but he’s never going to be a good defensive catcher, and the reality is that his time at the position is probably just about up.

    Is Montero athletic?

    • lol no. Even after an offseason of learning how to run, Montero still can’t run, and he might be the least athletic player on the team. 

    Is Montero ever going to walk?

    • Jesus Montero isn’t programmed to draw walks. Over the equivalent of one full season, Montero has drawn unintentional walks in less than 5% of his plate appearances. 

    Is Montero ever going to hit for tremendous contact?

    • Montero’s career contact rate is 79%. That’s a little below average. There’s obvious room for improvement, and Montero should improve, probably, but the league’s best contact hitters tend to have been contact hitters all along. If things really break Montero’s way, he’ll eventually settle somewhere in the mid-80s or so. So far this year, he’s been worse than he was last year. A big part of making contact is pitch recognition. That’s the most difficult thing to teach, and Montero hasn’t yet learned it.

    Is Montero ever going to hit for big power?

    • And there’s the thing that made Montero such a super prospect. Scouts loved his power, or his power potential. We’ve seen occasional flashes of incredible strength, so we know for a fact that there’s a major power hitter in there. Montero’s ISO ceiling is at the level of a league elite.Montero keeps mis-hitting baseballs, even when he hits them, so he’s done a lousy job of barreling up. He hasn’t been able to tap into his power reserve, because he hasn’t had the recognition and timing right.

    http://www.ussmariner.com/2013/04/18/simplifying-jesus-montero/#comments

     




     

    Where is LaVarnway? Last I knew his average was below the mendoza line, and two years older than Montero correct?

     




     

    The only thing I worry about with Lavarnway is that his power has dipped the last couple of years.  Is that permanent?  Hard to say.  But his defense has come a long way, he is great at throwing out runners (32% last year, 44% thus far this year) and he still gets on base 4 out of 10 trips to the plate.  I don't know how you can consider that a step down from what Montero has done thus far in his career.  More to the point, nobody ever ranked Lavarnway alongside Trout, Harper & Stanton.  

     

     




     

    Point #1. Montero is catching at the MLB level LaVarnway isn't.

    Point#2. LaVarnway is two years older than Montero.

     



    Point #3: Lavarnway hit better at the AAA level than Montero and deserves to be given a real tryout at the ML level, where Montero has so far failed to impress.

     

     




    Montero broke his finger in 2010 cutting his season short at AAA if that is the year you're referring to.

     In 2011 he was promoted to the Yankees from AAA where he hit.328 for the remainder of that season and went 2 for 2 in the post season.

    LaVarnway is two years older than Montero is, how can you compare a player who is still at AAA with one playing in the majors who is two years younger?

     

     

     

     



    I am comparing Montero and Lavarnway vis a vis their AAA statistics only. Thats a fair comparison. I cannot compare their ML records since Lavarnway was never given a chance to play regularly at that level. Its also a fair statement that so far Montero has not been impressive in the majors. How Lavarnway will fare there is anyone's guess, but he certainly deserves a shot-somewhere.

     

     




     

    Montero could be struggling but his BA at the ML level is close to 100 pts higher than Lavarnways ML BA while with the Sox.

    Montero with more at bats at MLB level and again he is two years younger than Lavarnway who is still at AAA.

    To make a fair comparison between the two when Lavarnway was Montero's current age he was only at "A" ball.

     




    Montero was ranked along-side Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.  Lavarnway was a sixth-round selection never ranked by Baseball-America, and you're struggling (and failing) to provide evidence that Montero is the better player.  The more you defend Montero, the more you support the notion that he was overhyped.

     

     
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    Neither Lava or Montero have progressed as expected.

     

    Simplifying Jesus Montero Jeff Sullivan · April 18, 2013 · 

    .. between 2009 and 2010, Baseball America ranked Jesus Montero as the fourth-best prospect in the league. That was one slot behind Giancarlo Stanton, and a few slots above Buster Posey. The next year, BA ranked him as the third-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot behind Mike Trout. The year after that, BA ranked him as the sixth-best prospect in the league. That’s one slot ahead of Jurickson Profar. Scouting is scouting, and prospects are prospects, but nobody does the business better than Baseball America does, and for at least three years in a row, they absolutely loved Jesus Montero. They loved his skillset and they loved his future. It wasn’t a straight Yankees hype job — other sources, objective sources, saw Montero and saw his promise. Montero, if nothing else, was going to be a hell of a bat.

    .....Montero can’t be written off, not at this age and not after just 666 big-league plate appearances. 

    Is Montero going to stay as a catcher?

    • Almost certainly not, because he isn’t very good. It’s always been a question whether Montero could stick behind the plate, and while the Mariners seemed to make a commitment to him in 2013, they did so with an understanding that Mike Zunino shouldn’t be far off. If Zunino develops, he’s the guy. He’s the guy who can actually catch. Montero might be able to catch somewhere else, but he’s never going to be a good defensive catcher, and the reality is that his time at the position is probably just about up.

    Is Montero athletic?

    • lol no. Even after an offseason of learning how to run, Montero still can’t run, and he might be the least athletic player on the team. 

    Is Montero ever going to walk?

    • Jesus Montero isn’t programmed to draw walks. Over the equivalent of one full season, Montero has drawn unintentional walks in less than 5% of his plate appearances. 

    Is Montero ever going to hit for tremendous contact?

    • Montero’s career contact rate is 79%. That’s a little below average. There’s obvious room for improvement, and Montero should improve, probably, but the league’s best contact hitters tend to have been contact hitters all along. If things really break Montero’s way, he’ll eventually settle somewhere in the mid-80s or so. So far this year, he’s been worse than he was last year. A big part of making contact is pitch recognition. That’s the most difficult thing to teach, and Montero hasn’t yet learned it.

    Is Montero ever going to hit for big power?

    • And there’s the thing that made Montero such a super prospect. Scouts loved his power, or his power potential. We’ve seen occasional flashes of incredible strength, so we know for a fact that there’s a major power hitter in there. Montero’s ISO ceiling is at the level of a league elite.Montero keeps mis-hitting baseballs, even when he hits them, so he’s done a lousy job of barreling up. He hasn’t been able to tap into his power reserve, because he hasn’t had the recognition and timing right.

    http://www.ussmariner.com/2013/04/18/simplifying-jesus-montero/#comments

     




     

    Where is LaVarnway? Last I knew his average was below the mendoza line, and two years older than Montero correct?

     




     

    The only thing I worry about with Lavarnway is that his power has dipped the last couple of years.  Is that permanent?  Hard to say.  But his defense has come a long way, he is great at throwing out runners (32% last year, 44% thus far this year) and he still gets on base 4 out of 10 trips to the plate.  I don't know how you can consider that a step down from what Montero has done thus far in his career.  More to the point, nobody ever ranked Lavarnway alongside Trout, Harper & Stanton.  

     

     




     

    Point #1. Montero is catching at the MLB level LaVarnway isn't.

    Point#2. LaVarnway is two years older than Montero.

     



    Point #3: Lavarnway hit better at the AAA level than Montero and deserves to be given a real tryout at the ML level, where Montero has so far failed to impress.

     

     




    Montero broke his finger in 2010 cutting his season short at AAA if that is the year you're referring to.

     In 2011 he was promoted to the Yankees from AAA where he hit.328 for the remainder of that season and went 2 for 2 in the post season.

    LaVarnway is two years older than Montero is, how can you compare a player who is still at AAA with one playing in the majors who is two years younger?

     

     

     

     



    I am comparing Montero and Lavarnway vis a vis their AAA statistics only. Thats a fair comparison. I cannot compare their ML records since Lavarnway was never given a chance to play regularly at that level. Its also a fair statement that so far Montero has not been impressive in the majors. How Lavarnway will fare there is anyone's guess, but he certainly deserves a shot-somewhere.

     

     




     

    Montero could be struggling but his BA at the ML level is close to 100 pts higher than Lavarnways ML BA while with the Sox.

    Montero with more at bats at MLB level and again he is two years younger than Lavarnway who is still at AAA.

    To make a fair comparison between the two when Lavarnway was Montero's current age he was only at "A" ball.

     

     




     

    Montero was ranked along-side Stanton, Heyward, Trout & Harper.  Lavarnway was a sixth-round selection never ranked by Baseball-America, and you're struggling (and failing) to provide evidence that Montero is the better player.  The more you defend Montero, the more you support the notion that he was overhyped.

     




    I'm stuggling?

    Lavarnway is the one who was sent down for hitting .157.

    Montero, 2 years younger than Lavarnway never hit that low at the MLB level.

    When Lavarnway was Montero's current age he was at "A" ball and 2 years later he still is in the minor leagues.

     
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    Montero could be struggling but his BA at the ML level is close to 100 pts higher than Lavarnways ML BA while with the Sox.

    Montero with more at bats at MLB level and again he is two years younger than Lavarnway who is still at AAA.

    To make a fair comparison between the two when Lavarnway was Montero's current age he was only at "A" ball.

     

    I do not think you can compare Lavarnway's ML average to anyone until he is given a fair chance to play regularly-at least 250 PAs, preferably in a single season. It is a fact that Montero has not lived up to his hype at the ML level given his performance at the minor league level. Whether he can turn it around is not clear yet, and which of the two players will turn out to be the better player is anyone's guess. The age difference, while not insignificant, does not affect the overall statistics, only the potential for further improvement by the player. What is fair to say is that based on the stats at AAA ball, Lavarnway slightly outperformed Montero and deserves a chance to prove himself at the major league level.

     

     

     
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    Montero could be struggling but his BA at the ML level is close to 100 pts higher than Lavarnways ML BA while with the Sox.

    Montero with more at bats at MLB level and again he is two years younger than Lavarnway who is still at AAA.

    To make a fair comparison between the two when Lavarnway was Montero's current age he was only at "A" ball.

     

    I do not think you can compare Lavarnway's ML average to anyone until he is given a fair chance to play regularly-at least 250 PAs, preferably in a single season. It is a fact that Montero has not lived up to his hype at the ML level given his performance at the minor league level. Whether he can turn it around is not clear yet, and which of the two players will turn out to be the better player is anyone's guess. The age difference, while not insignificant, does not affect the overall statistics, only the potential for further improvement by the player. What is fair to say is that based on the stats at AAA ball, Lavarnway slightly outperformed Montero and deserves a chance to prove himself at the major league level.

     

     

     




     

    Lavarnway hit a lofty .157 at the MLB level and why he is at AAA.

    If you want to believe he is better than a player who is 2 years younger than he and has a career BA 100 pts higher at the ML level by all means don't let me stand in the way.

    But don't hold your breath waiting for me to say that Lavarnway is a better prospect than Montero.

     

     
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    I'd trade Lava for Montero in a heartbeat.

     
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    ...but, I thought this thread was about...

     

     Will-Da-Beast!

     
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    "The Next Carlton Fisk" (Lav) shall IMO eventually make it back to the bigs and deliver some of what was expected from him. 

     
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    Another game without a hit for stud Montero.

    Batting just .206 this season with only 3 extra base hits.

    Now that his name has surfaced with ties to the drug clinic in Florida he is trying to play clean with minor league results.

    TWM points to his average when called up to the yankees in Sept. two seasons ago.

          Very small sample size.

          An unknown at that time but since scouts have located all his weak spots.

    SUMMARY,

            To date a total bust.

          

     
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    I'd trade Lava for Montero in a heartbeat.




    why moon

    cause he's younger ;-)

     
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    I'd trade Lava for Montero in a heartbeat.

     




    why moon

     

    cause he's younger ;-)



    Yes, and better (IMO).

     
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    Montero wss on the BA Top 10 three times.  This is the Prospect Overhype Kiss of Death.

     

    The following players werr also in the BA Top Ten 3 times or more:

     

    Julio Teheran

    Delmon Young

    Joe Mauer

    Sean Burroughs

    Ryan Anderson

    Ruben Rivera

    Ben Grieve

    Chipper Jones

    Todd Van Poppel

     

    After Jones and Mauer, there is not much.  The jury is still out on Montero and Teheran, but the early returns are not good..

     
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    I'd trade Lava for Montero in a heartbeat.

     




    why moon

     

    cause he's younger ;-)

     

     



    Yes, and better (IMO).




    I think Seattle would listen.  Here are some of the guys Montero ranked ahead of in 2010's BA top 100 in 2010: Matusz, Jennings, Posey, Feliz, Santana, Bumgarner, Hellickson, Starlin Castro,  Chapman, Moore, Freeman, Jarrod Parker, Shelby Miller & Mike Trout.

    Would you trade any of these guys for Montero?

     

     
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    I'd trade Lava for Montero in a heartbeat.

     




    why moon

     

    cause he's younger ;-)

     

     



    Yes, and better (IMO).



    He is younger, but he is not better (IMO). I would not make that trade.

     
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    I'd trade Lava for Montero in a heartbeat.

     




    why moon

     

    cause he's younger ;-)

     

     



    Yes, and better (IMO).

     



    He is younger, but he is not better (IMO). I would not make that trade.

     



     

     
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    Montero could be struggling but his BA at the ML level is close to 100 pts higher than Lavarnways ML BA while with the Sox.

    Montero with more at bats at MLB level and again he is two years younger than Lavarnway who is still at AAA.

    To make a fair comparison between the two when Lavarnway was Montero's current age he was only at "A" ball.

     

    I do not think you can compare Lavarnway's ML average to anyone until he is given a fair chance to play regularly-at least 250 PAs, preferably in a single season. It is a fact that Montero has not lived up to his hype at the ML level given his performance at the minor league level. Whether he can turn it around is not clear yet, and which of the two players will turn out to be the better player is anyone's guess. The age difference, while not insignificant, does not affect the overall statistics, only the potential for further improvement by the player. What is fair to say is that based on the stats at AAA ball, Lavarnway slightly outperformed Montero and deserves a chance to prove himself at the major league level.

     

     

     




     

    Lavarnway hit a lofty .157 at the MLB level and why he is at AAA.

    If you want to believe he is better than a player who is 2 years younger than he and has a career BA 100 pts higher at the ML level by all means don't let me stand in the way.

    But don't hold your breath waiting for me to say that Lavarnway is a better prospect than Montero.

     

     



    do the world a favor and please don't breathe for 5 minutes.

     

    A dark day for mankind if your humorless demented brain reflected world opinion.

     

     
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    Montero could be struggling but his BA at the ML level is close to 100 pts higher than Lavarnways ML BA while with the Sox.

    Montero with more at bats at MLB level and again he is two years younger than Lavarnway who is still at AAA.

    To make a fair comparison between the two when Lavarnway was Montero's current age he was only at "A" ball.

     

    I do not think you can compare Lavarnway's ML average to anyone until he is given a fair chance to play regularly-at least 250 PAs, preferably in a single season. It is a fact that Montero has not lived up to his hype at the ML level given his performance at the minor league level. Whether he can turn it around is not clear yet, and which of the two players will turn out to be the better player is anyone's guess. The age difference, while not insignificant, does not affect the overall statistics, only the potential for further improvement by the player. What is fair to say is that based on the stats at AAA ball, Lavarnway slightly outperformed Montero and deserves a chance to prove himself at the major league level.

     

     

     




     

    Lavarnway hit a lofty .157 at the MLB level and why he is at AAA.

    If you want to believe he is better than a player who is 2 years younger than he and has a career BA 100 pts higher at the ML level by all means don't let me stand in the way.

    But don't hold your breath waiting for me to say that Lavarnway is a better prospect than Montero.

     

     



    do the world a favor and please don't breathe for 5 minutes.

     

     

     

    A dark day for mankind if your humorless demented brain reflected world opinion.

     

     



    i believe that one suggestion reflects a lot of posters' opinion concerning you.

     

     




     

    A few posters is a few less the 7 billion world population.

    But you usually do type faster than you think.

     
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