Middlebrooks

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    Middlebrooks

    The Sox really needs a middle-of-the-order righthanded bat. And that's where the struggles of Middlebrooks really hurt. Some individuals on this forum has suggested that Middlebrooks should be moved over to first base. Middlebrooks is not a first baseman.

    The baseline for acceptable offensive performance at first base is so high, much higher than third base, and no one knows right now if Middlebrooks even can meet the baseline even for third.

    There are several first basemen in the majors who didn't come up at first base, and the Red Sox have a black hole there in the minors for the most part.

    But the guys that get moved there are the people who can't handle a different position defensively, like Jim Thome at third.

    You don't move Middlebrooks there because he doesn't hit enough to be a third baseman,.

    Bill James projections are notoriously optimistic.

    ZIPS projected Middlebrooks to have a .292 OBP and hit 19 home runs -- and he hasn't even gotten to that.

    The average American League first baseman has an OBP over .330 and an SLG of around .450.

    That's the performance Middlebrooks would have to get to just to be an average first baseman offensively -- and that, incidentally, is basically what Napoli has done this year.

    And you can't ignore what's happened to Middlebrooks this year.

    He had 286 really good PAs in 2012, and 216 really bad PAs this year.

    At this point -- and that's an important qualifier -- it would be foolhardy to go into 2014 expecting him to provide reasonable production for a first baseman.

    But Middlebrooks still has a chance to turn it all around.

    a. First he's young.

    b. He's hitting home runs with the PawSox.

    c. He works hard, and he wants to get better.

    When the Red Sox let Pedroia work through his early-season struggles in 2007, they had Youkilis-Ortiz-Ramirez-Drew-Lowell hitting two through six in the order (i.e. OPSs of .843, 1.066, .881, .796, .879 that season).

    I don't think the lineup this season affords them the luxury of carrying a weaker bat until it finds itself, which is one of the reasons they didn't entrust SS to Iglesias in the offseason.

    There's also a big difference between the Red Sox letting Pedroia work through his struggles in April and letting Allen Webster now or Xander Bogaerts later work through struggles for a first-place team in the midst of a pennant race.

    The Red Sox let Will Middlebrooks work through his struggles for even longer than they did Pedroia before they decided they had to change course.

     
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    Re: Middlebrooks

    I agree that WMB doesnt have the numbers to be a 1b in MLB. I aslo dont think that the Sox will give up on him like a few posters here have. He certainly needs to work on his approach at the plate. MLB pitchers had him figured out last year before he got hurt and he hasnt been able to make the adjustments.

    The Sox dont need him in that lineup, since they basically have the best offense in MLB without that "big bat" in the middle of the line up. They just keep winning regardless.

    With Iggy at SS next year, Xander Bogaerts possibly a 3bman in the future, Garin Cecchini just killing it in AA, with a promotion to AAA by next year, WMB HAS to step it up. Now, You could find a spot for all 3 players, but 2 or even all 3 will have to move off position.

    Although the Sox love his power and willbe patient with WMB, they wont wait forever. Hes either a 3bman or maybe a conversion to the OF. Bogey and Cecchini could have the numbers for 1b, WMB doesnt yet.

     
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    Re: Middlebrooks


    Middlebrooks right now--as implied by southpaw777--simply doesn't deserve his own thread, which implies that he is some kind of key to this team.  He isn't.  Could he be?  Possibly, but the monkey is definitely on his back.  Meanwhile, the Sox offensive machine keeps rolling over the opposition without him.  When Drew went on the DL and Iglesias moved back to SS, it was a golden opportunity for Middlebrooks to get back to Boston, but the Sox management was convinced he needed a longish stay at Pawtucket to get himself sorted out. 

    The good news for Middlebrooks is the Sox can always make room for a good bat.  He just has to find his because this year he's been using the proverbial bad bat. 

     
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    Re: Middlebrooks

    In response to 2004Idiot's comment:

    The Sox really needs a middle-of-the-order righthanded bat. And that's where the struggles of Middlebrooks really hurt. Some individuals on this forum has suggested that Middlebrooks should be moved over to first base. Middlebrooks is not a first baseman.

    The baseline for acceptable offensive performance at first base is so high, much higher than third base, and no one knows right now if Middlebrooks even can meet the baseline even for third.

    There are several first basemen in the majors who didn't come up at first base, and the Red Sox have a black hole there in the minors for the most part.

    But the guys that get moved there are the people who can't handle a different position defensively, like Jim Thome at third.

    You don't move Middlebrooks there because he doesn't hit enough to be a third baseman,.

    Bill James projections are notoriously optimistic.

    ZIPS projected Middlebrooks to have a .292 OBP and hit 19 home runs -- and he hasn't even gotten to that.

    The average American League first baseman has an OBP over .330 and an SLG of around .450.

    That's the performance Middlebrooks would have to get to just to be an average first baseman offensively -- and that, incidentally, is basically what Napoli has done this year.

    And you can't ignore what's happened to Middlebrooks this year.

    He had 286 really good PAs in 2012, and 216 really bad PAs this year.

    At this point -- and that's an important qualifier -- it would be foolhardy to go into 2014 expecting him to provide reasonable production for a first baseman.

    But Middlebrooks still has a chance to turn it all around.

    a. First he's young.

    b. He's hitting home runs with the PawSox.

    c. He works hard, and he wants to get better.

    When the Red Sox let Pedroia work through his early-season struggles in 2007, they had Youkilis-Ortiz-Ramirez-Drew-Lowell hitting two through six in the order (i.e. OPSs of .843, 1.066, .881, .796, .879 that season).

    I don't think the lineup this season affords them the luxury of carrying a weaker bat until it finds itself, which is one of the reasons they didn't entrust SS to Iglesias in the offseason.

    There's also a big difference between the Red Sox letting Pedroia work through his struggles in April and letting Allen Webster now or Xander Bogaerts later work through struggles for a first-place team in the midst of a pennant race.

    The Red Sox let Will Middlebrooks work through his struggles for even longer than they did Pedroia before they decided they had to change course.



    He deserves a new opportunity, but not in August of this year, let him find his confidence with calm... Trade for an established good hitting 3rd baseball and win it all... ( btw leave Iglesias where he is and make the bench stronger with Drew....)

     
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    Re: Middlebrooks

    Drew isnt a bench player and I guarentee you the Sox will play him at SS and Iggy at 3b. They are BETTER with both in the lineup. there is nobody out there that is coinsiderably better that would be a smart trade for them. Young has no defense and no power. A.Ramirez is injured and will cost way too much. More than hes worth in terms of $$ and years.

    Holt as a UI is working out good and Snyder is there for LHP.

     

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