Mike Lowell - a fan's dream

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    George Bell ?

     
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    George Bell ?

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    Jesse barfield is who I was thinking of...I think.

    They both threw out everyone...but I guess it was Bell, and as a Blue Jay, who tried to jump kick aaron sele.

     
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    George Bell ?

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    Jesse barfield is who I was thinking of...I think.

    They both threw out everyone...but I guess it was Bell, and as a Blue Jay, who tried to jump kick aaron sele.

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    yeah barfield was a nyy

    and bell charged sele as a w sox

    not really a drop kick

    maybe they had another spat

     
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    Noting against Lowell, but comparing him to Papi is a little foolish.

     

    Yes, Lowell said and did everything right.   But let's not pretend Papi is out there robbing old ladies and setting orphanges on fire.  He wants a contract to play baseball.   Do we need endless news stories and multiple threads villifying him at every turn?

     

    This has already gotten WAY more coverage than it deserves, and the sad little comparisons don't make it any better.   OK, so Lowell signed quieter.  Therefore we should turn on Papi?  Well, Tim Wakefield gave the Sox a far, far better contract than Lowell did in terms of money, years and control, and did not allow it to go all the way to free agency before he signed.  Why couldn't Lowell be more like Wakefield?

     

     

     
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    Noting against Lowell, but comparing him to Papi is a little foolish.

     

    Yes, Lowell said and did everything right.   But let's not pretend Papi is out there robbing old ladies and setting orphanges on fire.  He wants a contract to play baseball.   Do we need endless news stories and multiple threads villifying him at every turn?

     

    This has already gotten WAY more coverage than it deserves, and the sad little comparisons don't make it any better.   OK, so Lowell signed quieter.  Therefore we should turn on Papi?  Well, Tim Wakefield gave the Sox a far, far better contract than Lowell did in terms of money, years and control, and did not allow it to go all the way to free agency before he signed.  Why couldn't Lowell be more like Wakefield?

     

     

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    Outstanding, Notin!

     
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       I appreciate what Papi has done, too.  And I don't have any problems with his mouth, as you say.  That, so paraphrase and clean up an earlier line, is "Papi being Papi!"  But he never wavered in is support for Boston, the city or the team.  To put a plug in his mouth so that you can appreciate his greatness from the quiet of your pwn home or the din of noise from your own drinking hole speaks more of YOUR desire than his.

       The last I checked, David lives in a free society where personal opinion, no matter how it is expressed, is valued.

       In THIS Boston, on THIS team - BIg Papi, well deserved, all day, all Papi!

     

       I love Mikey.  I loved watching him play.  I loved Papi, too, and expect the Dominican pirate to hoist up his colors and speak his mind. 

       If you want quiet and unifomity, there's a team in NY that REQUIRES everyone to be the same, from hair cuts on down.  You might visit NYC SAMENESS sometime ...

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    So Papi's opinions are expressed and valued in this free country, but sharing mine speaks poorly of my character. Interesting take...not at all objective, but interesting.

    Also, your desciption of NYY is silly. You're confusing clean shaven with quiet and uniform. 

    Was Paul ONeill quiet and uniform?

    Arod?

    George Bell?

    Joba?

    Clemens?

    OH, right...I've seen this before...going back to 2009...I have an unpopular opinion, and it's "go root for the yankees then". Mature. Insightful.

    THe funniest when was I argued AGAINST spending money, and people said "go root for the yankees then" Ummmm, what?

    THAT is was 'pink hat' is. You don't even understand what you're saying, you just want to be part of the fun, and anyone pointing out any flaws in that is simply bad. Do I think that's you, specifically? Not usually, but definitely sometimes.

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    Hurt your feelings, eh?  LOL

    Express yourself and I will too. 

    The only reason my hat is pink is the sun has faded it.  I'm an old fa rt that has had one team since I first knew what baseball was, which would be 1962.  But even in the worst seasons, I try to find reason to support the team.  It's easy to be critical. 

    And, to add to the clean cut notion - what was the FIRST thing Judas (Damon) cut off?  His hair and beard.  Here he was free and fun, and Idiot of the first level.  Of course I'm not stupid enough to think the NYYs are choir boys.  But it's FO mandates the tean expression, but in the team we just witnessed, even though the FO wanted to have a great team or clubhouse, it was the team that coalesced and expressed itself.  A part-time player, new to the team, led the charge.  Wow!  A part time player became a clubhouse leader that developed an expression that was truly remarkable.

    Papi has earned the right to speak as he wishes -

        11 seasons at the center of our offense

        .292/.390/.572/.962  slash line for that time

         373 HRs

         412 2Bs

         1191 RBIs

         He is even almost 1/1 BB to whiffs   901/1135  (0.7938325991189427)

         Heck, he's even stolen bases at a 2/1 rate    11/6   (tongue in cheek ....)

     

     

           ...   yeah, he's a mouthy bum

     

     

     

     
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    Noting against Lowell, but comparing him to Papi is a little foolish.

     

    Yes, Lowell said and did everything right.   But let's not pretend Papi is out there robbing old ladies and setting orphanges on fire.  He wants a contract to play baseball.   Do we need endless news stories and multiple threads villifying him at every turn?

     

    This has already gotten WAY more coverage than it deserves, and the sad little comparisons don't make it any better.   OK, so Lowell signed quieter.  Therefore we should turn on Papi?  Well, Tim Wakefield gave the Sox a far, far better contract than Lowell did in terms of money, years and control, and did not allow it to go all the way to free agency before he signed.  Why couldn't Lowell be more like Wakefield?

     

     

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    I think you are a little sensitive.  This is a good thread about a great guy and much needed in a sea of ortiz comments.  Lowell was like Tim in the sense that they did not bring all the cameras to them about contracts.  They both waited until the season was over to discuss business.

    How about we go even deeper in to the Mike contracts.  Mike was not one of theo's boys, he was signed by Ben.  I got the impression that season that theo had no intention of signing Mike after 07.  Mike goes out and get the ws mvp and now theo is in a situation.  Philly puts a massive offer on the table and not one comment by Mike that the sox should match it.

    Mike played hurt and we all saw the pain he was in.  We don't need to compare Lowell to anyone, he set the bar high enough thru his character and as a player, that others can be compared to him.

     
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    Noting against Lowell, but comparing him to Papi is a little foolish.

     

     

     

    Yes, Lowell said and did everything right.   But let's not pretend Papi is out there robbing old ladies and setting orphanges on fire.  He wants a contract to play baseball.   Do we need endless news stories and multiple threads villifying him at every turn?

     

     

     

    This has already gotten WAY more coverage than it deserves, and the sad little comparisons don't make it any better.   OK, so Lowell signed quieter.  Therefore we should turn on Papi?  Well, Tim Wakefield gave the Sox a far, far better contract than Lowell did in terms of money, years and control, and did not allow it to go all the way to free agency before he signed.  Why couldn't Lowell be more like Wakefield?

     

     

     

     

     

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    Outstanding, Notin!

     

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    I think you are a little sensitive.  This is a good thread about a great guy and much needed in a sea of ortiz comments.  Lowell was like Tim in the sense that they did not bring all the cameras to them about contracts.  They both waited until the season was over to discuss business.

     

    How about we go even deeper in to the Mike contracts.  Mike was not one of theo's boys, he was signed by Ben.  I got the impression that season that theo had no intention of signing Mike after 07.  Mike goes out and get the ws mvp and now theo is in a situation.  Philly puts a massive offer on the table and not one comment by Mike that the sox should match it.

     

    Mike played hurt and we all saw the pain he was in.  We don't need to compare Lowell to anyone, he set the bar high enough thru his character and as a player, that others can be compared to him.

     

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    Not sensitive at all about Mikey.  He was wonderful. 

     

     

     

    What is not needed is putting Ortiz down.

     

     

     

    Praise Mikey.

     

     

     

    Praise Papi.

     

     

     

    Shut the heck up about how we are "so offended" about a person who has been different than what we wish. 

     

    Papi has played here after 2006 for an incredible $13 to 14 million (rough figures) a season when players of the same value were playing for $10+ million a season more.   Need I say that ARod was being paid ungodly amounts more but here are is a PARTIAL list of position players who got or will get MORE than Papi ....  read it and see if you think he MIGHT just be a BARGAIN (if that is possible)

     

    Ryan Howard, $25,000,000(2012-16)
     Josh Hamilton, $25,000,000 (2013-17) 

    Albert Pujols, $24,000,000 (2012-21)
    Robinson Cano, $24,000,000 (2014-23)

     

     Prince Fielder, $23,777,778 (2012-20)
    Joe Mauer, $23,000,000 (2011-18)  

    Manny Ramirez, $22,500,000 (2009-10)
    . . . Mark Teixeira, $22,500,000 (2009-16)
    . . . Joey Votto, $22,500,000 (2014-23)

     

     Adrian Gonzalez, $22,000,000 (2012-18) 

     

    Jacoby Ellsbury, $21,857,143 (2014-20)

     

    Matt Cain, $21,250,000 (2012-17) 

     

    Ryan Braun, $21,000,000 (2016-20)

     

    Carl Crawford, $20,285,714 (2011-17)

    Manny Ramirez, $20,000,000 (2001-08)
     . . . Matt Kemp, $20,000,000 (2012-19)

    Miguel Cabrera, $19,037,500 (2008-15)

     

    Derek Jeter, $18,900,000 (2001-10)

     


    Shin-Soo Choo, $18,571,429 (2014-20)

     

     Buster Posey, $18,555,555 (2013-21)

    Andruw Jones, $18,100,000 (2008-09)

     


     Barry Bonds, $18,000,000 (2002-06)
    . . . Sammy Sosa, $18,000,000 (2002-05)

    . . . Jayson Werth, $18,000,000 (2007-14)

    . . . Torii Hunter, $18,000,000 (2008-12)
    . . . Ichiro Suzuki, $18,000,000 (2008-12)  really?
    . . . Vernon Wells, $18,000,000 (2008-14) really?
    . . . Ryan Howard, $18,000,000 (2009-11)
    . . . Hunter Pence, $18,000,000 (2014-18) REALLY?

     


     Jose Reyes, $17,666,667 (2012-17) 

     Jason Giambi, $17,142,857 (2002-08)
    . . . Matt Holliday, $17,142,857 (2010-16)

     

    Carlos Delgado, $17,000,000 (2001-04)
    . . . Jeff Bagwell, $17,000,000
    (2002-06)
    . . . Carlos Beltran, $17,000,000 (2005-11)
    . . . Alfonso Soriano, $17,000,000 (2007-14)
    . . . Andre Ethier, $17,000,000 (2013-17)
    . . . Brian McCahttp, $17,000,000 (2014-18)

     

    Link:  http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/league-info/frequently-asked-questions/

     

     

     

     

     

     

     
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    Is your intention with posting figures on what other players make an effort to imply that ortiz is underpaid?  If you think he is then David should find a new agent or again go the free agent route.

    Most of those players you listed play a position and many were over paid by this forum's definition.

    Let's just take jacoby.  He never talked much about his contract.  He went the free agent route and plays a position and is thirty years old.  Ortiz had the opportunity to go free agency a few times but declined.

    No one thinks ortiz is robbing old ladies and I am glad he is in the line up.  When he is in the zone there is no better hitter presently in baseball.

    David is often his own worst enemy. If he had played out last year without demanding an extension, then possibly the 3 or 4 teams in the AL who could use him or afford him, may have made him a lucrative offer.

    You can post numbers all day but the bottom line is what david agrees to is what he is worth.

     
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    [QUOTE]You can post numbers all day but the bottom line is what david agrees to is what he is worth.

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    So even if a player takes a clearly discounted deal, like Pedroia, what he agrees to is what he's worth.  Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.  Great insight. 

     

     
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    Noting against Lowell, but comparing him to Papi is a little foolish.

     

     

     

    Yes, Lowell said and did everything right.   But let's not pretend Papi is out there robbing old ladies and setting orphanges on fire.  He wants a contract to play baseball.   Do we need endless news stories and multiple threads villifying him at every turn?

     

     

     

    This has already gotten WAY more coverage than it deserves, and the sad little comparisons don't make it any better.   OK, so Lowell signed quieter.  Therefore we should turn on Papi?  Well, Tim Wakefield gave the Sox a far, far better contract than Lowell did in terms of money, years and control, and did not allow it to go all the way to free agency before he signed.  Why couldn't Lowell be more like Wakefield?

     

     

     

     

     

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    Outstanding, Notin!

     

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    I think you are a little sensitive.  This is a good thread about a great guy and much needed in a sea of ortiz comments.  Lowell was like Tim in the sense that they did not bring all the cameras to them about contracts.  They both waited until the season was over to discuss business.

     

    How about we go even deeper in to the Mike contracts.  Mike was not one of theo's boys, he was signed by Ben.  I got the impression that season that theo had no intention of signing Mike after 07.  Mike goes out and get the ws mvp and now theo is in a situation.  Philly puts a massive offer on the table and not one comment by Mike that the sox should match it.

     

    Mike played hurt and we all saw the pain he was in.  We don't need to compare Lowell to anyone, he set the bar high enough thru his character and as a player, that others can be compared to him.

     

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    Not sensitive at all about Mikey.  He was wonderful. 

     

     

     

    What is not needed is putting Ortiz down.

     

     

     

    Praise Mikey.

     

     

     

    Praise Papi.

     

     

     

    Shut the heck up about how we are "so offended" about a person who has been different than what we wish. 

     

    Papi has played here after 2006 for an incredible $13 to 14 million (rough figures) a season when players of the same value were playing for $10+ million a season more.   Need I say that ARod was being paid ungodly amounts more but here are is a PARTIAL list of position players who got or will get MORE than Papi ....  read it and see if you think he MIGHT just be a BARGAIN (if that is possible)

     

    Ryan Howard, $25,000,000(2012-16)
     Josh Hamilton, $25,000,000 (2013-17) 

    Albert Pujols, $24,000,000 (2012-21)
    Robinson Cano, $24,000,000 (2014-23)

     

     Prince Fielder, $23,777,778 (2012-20)
    Joe Mauer, $23,000,000 (2011-18)  

    Manny Ramirez, $22,500,000 (2009-10)
    . . . Mark Teixeira, $22,500,000 (2009-16)
    . . . Joey Votto, $22,500,000 (2014-23)

     

     Adrian Gonzalez, $22,000,000 (2012-18) 

     

    Jacoby Ellsbury, $21,857,143 (2014-20)

     

    Matt Cain, $21,250,000 (2012-17) 

     

    Ryan Braun, $21,000,000 (2016-20)

     

    Carl Crawford, $20,285,714 (2011-17)

    Manny Ramirez, $20,000,000 (2001-08)
     . . . Matt Kemp, $20,000,000 (2012-19)

    Miguel Cabrera, $19,037,500 (2008-15)

     

    Derek Jeter, $18,900,000 (2001-10)

     


    Shin-Soo Choo, $18,571,429 (2014-20)

     

     Buster Posey, $18,555,555 (2013-21)

    Andruw Jones, $18,100,000 (2008-09)

     


     Barry Bonds, $18,000,000 (2002-06)
    . . . Sammy Sosa, $18,000,000 (2002-05)

    . . . Jayson Werth, $18,000,000 (2007-14)

    . . . Torii Hunter, $18,000,000 (2008-12)
    . . . Ichiro Suzuki, $18,000,000 (2008-12)  really?
    . . . Vernon Wells, $18,000,000 (2008-14) really?
    . . . Ryan Howard, $18,000,000 (2009-11)
    . . . Hunter Pence, $18,000,000 (2014-18) REALLY?

     


     Jose Reyes, $17,666,667 (2012-17) 

     Jason Giambi, $17,142,857 (2002-08)
    . . . Matt Holliday, $17,142,857 (2010-16)

     

    Carlos Delgado, $17,000,000 (2001-04)
    . . . Jeff Bagwell, $17,000,000
    (2002-06)
    . . . Carlos Beltran, $17,000,000 (2005-11)
    . . . Alfonso Soriano, $17,000,000 (2007-14)
    . . . Andre Ethier, $17,000,000 (2013-17)
    . . . Brian McCahttp, $17,000,000 (2014-18)

     

    Link:  http://www.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/league-info/frequently-asked-questions/

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    Nice list...

     

    OF FREE AGENT CONTRACTS YOU FOOL!

    If Ortiz wanted to be a FA, he could. In fact, recently he was. You know, before 2013, when he had a blown out achilles, and the Sox inexplicably gave him 2 YEARS. Why? Because he was 'big papi'. That wasn't enough though...so one more...on top of one more, which was on top of one more, which originated with one more. Also...remind me how much attention he got from other teams please?

    Some people will forever excuse anything he says because of what he's done. That's fine. That's their prerogative. I choose to hold people to a HIGHER standard. The timing is never accidental, always just before spring training, soon after the season, and a mid-point during the offseason, usually from the DR. 

    I didn't take anything personally, by the way. I was just pointing out the hilarious hypocrisy in what you wrote. You said it was ok for Ortiz to have an opinion, as he lives in a free country while then denouncing my opinion. 

    I tried my hardest to keep this about Lowell only, I wasnt' the driving force turning this into anti-Ortiz. In fact, it was people feeling the need to overly defend Ortiz before anyone really had much to say about him.

    Now, who's sensitive exactly? Ortiz certainly is, and has proven extremely thin-skinned MANY times in the past. His ardent supporters seems to have that same quality.

     

     
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    Is your intention with posting figures on what other players make an effort to imply that ortiz is underpaid?  If you think he is then David should find a new agent or again go the free agent route.

    Most of those players you listed play a position and many were over paid by this forum's definition.

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    Just read the entry before I enter the list.

    Question answered.

     
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    "I tried my hardest to keep this about Lowell only"

     

     'scuze me, says the Fool, but YOU WERE THE ONE MAKING THE INITIAL COMPARISON...

     

       So just exactly were you doing BY THROWING PAPI UNDER THE BUS?

     

       You started it, sir.

       You brought the classy Mike Lowell into a bash time against Papi.  WHO THE HECK ELSE DID IT???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

     

     

     
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    George Bell ?

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    Jesse barfield is who I was thinking of...I think.

    They both threw out everyone...but I guess it was Bell, and as a Blue Jay, who tried to jump kick aaron sele.

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    yeah barfield was a nyy

    and bell charged sele as a w sox

    not really a drop kick

    maybe they had another spat

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    Hawk Harrelson is freakin' blind. I rewatched that Bell charging the mound where Vaughn tackled him like a blitzing middle linebacker after Sele sidestepped the punch. Harrelson said Bell actually fell from the force of his punch. He was offbalance, but Vaughn clocked him.

     
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    On NUMEROUS occassions, actually more so than not, Mike Lowell, after warm-ups between innings, turns, smiles, and tosses the ball to some kid behind third base.  Those kids will never forget that.  A true good-hearted gesture.

    As far as the end of his career goes, I'll never blame him for anything which may have been said at this time.  We must remember that it must be difficult for professional athletes to come to the realization that their skills are diminishing.  So, I'll gladly give him a pass and anything negative that he may have said is certainly not due to a personality disorder.

     
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     Vaughn clocked him.

    no doubt about that roy

    that made it  a classic

     

     
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    Ortiz mentions contract every year, and it divides the fans.

    Lester mentions home town discount, and the fans can't even agree within 40% what that would be.

    Mike Lowell put his money where his mouth is.

    I just want to take a moment to refect on one of the most professional, and humble players to pass through Boston in quite some time.

    We all know how he got to Boston...as part of the Hanley R/Beckett deal, the Sox were 'forced' to take him and his 7mil contract for the priviledge of acquiring Beckett.

    In his contract year, he says nothing, goes out and plays...and turns out to be the WS MVP, and 5th in the overall MVP voting.

    He wanted to be in Boston. He said it, everyone believed it. You could not possibly be riding a bigger wave of fan support at that time.

    Sox offered 3/37.5. It was WIDELY reported the Phillies had a deal of about 4/48 on the table for him.

    Again, we all know how it turned out. 

    He took LESS money.

    He took FEWER years.

    Because he loved Boston. And he proved it.

    He put his heart in Boston...then his body followed. His hip degenerated in front of us all. We saw teams challenge him with bunts, and we all saw him battle through the pain and play his mother fking a s s off. He starts losing time to the injury...and says nothing. THe Sox try to, and actually DO trade him...only for it to get reversed. And he says nothing. 

    From wiki:

    "Following the 2009 season, the Red Sox and Texas Rangers agreed to a deal that would send Lowell to Texas for catcher Max Ramirez. However, the deal was called off by the Rangers when they discovered that Lowell required surgery on his right thumb.[11] Lowell underwent a successful surgery on December 30.[12] He remained with the Red Sox and joined the team for Spring Training following rehabilitation on his surgically repaired thumb.[13] On April 10, 2010, Lowell announced that he would most likely retire after the 2010 season. In the 2010 season he played as a backup infielder at first and third base and as a pinch hitter. On August 3 after coming back from nearly 2 months on the disabled list, Lowell stepped into the batters box to a standing ovation at Fenway Park and hit a 2-run home run on the first pitch."

    I don't know where Lester will end up when his playing days are over.

    I know Papi will always be a God in Boston. But to many, like myself, his mouth has tarnished his own legend.

    Mike Lowell will forever be remembered as I described him above: professional, humble, hard working. I have no doubt of his affinity for Boston. I will always put Lowell on a pedestal with the Sox greats for how he played, and how he conducted himself. If 04 was Ortiz' year. 07 was equally Lowell's.

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    I never had anything negative to say about Lowell. A gamer all the way.

    I did however take issue with some here who were carping that Lowell was getting "dissed" because he was losing playing time , while he could barely move and was an obvious defensive liability. Some posters here went as far as to suggest a conspiracy against Lowell by Sox management to "disrespect" him.  Pure silliness.

     
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    Re: Mike Lowell - a fan's dream

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    [QUOTE]You can post numbers all day but the bottom line is what david agrees to is what he is worth.



    So even if a player takes a clearly discounted deal, like Pedroia, what he agrees to is what he's worth.  Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.  Great insight. 

     

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    makes a lot of sense.  How many years did dustin get? 7 years at 100 million.  He got security and a boat load of money. While you bring him up, Dustin is another one who did not threaten to walk if he did not get an extension.

    one more time in case you keep missing it. I could care less how much money ortiz makes.  Just don't tell me or even imply that you are underpaid after you and your agent signed the contract.  if you think you are underpaid, then grow a pair and go the free agency route.

     
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    Ortiz mentions contract every year, and it divides the fans.

    Lester mentions home town discount, and the fans can't even agree within 40% what that would be.

    Mike Lowell put his money where his mouth is.

    I just want to take a moment to refect on one of the most professional, and humble players to pass through Boston in quite some time.

    We all know how he got to Boston...as part of the Hanley R/Beckett deal, the Sox were 'forced' to take him and his 7mil contract for the priviledge of acquiring Beckett.

    In his contract year, he says nothing, goes out and plays...and turns out to be the WS MVP, and 5th in the overall MVP voting.

    He wanted to be in Boston. He said it, everyone believed it. You could not possibly be riding a bigger wave of fan support at that time.

    Sox offered 3/37.5. It was WIDELY reported the Phillies had a deal of about 4/48 on the table for him.

    Again, we all know how it turned out. 

    He took LESS money.

    He took FEWER years.

    Because he loved Boston. And he proved it.

    He put his heart in Boston...then his body followed. His hip degenerated in front of us all. We saw teams challenge him with bunts, and we all saw him battle through the pain and play his mother fking a s s off. He starts losing time to the injury...and says nothing. THe Sox try to, and actually DO trade him...only for it to get reversed. And he says nothing. 

    From wiki:

    "Following the 2009 season, the Red Sox and Texas Rangers agreed to a deal that would send Lowell to Texas for catcher Max Ramirez. However, the deal was called off by the Rangers when they discovered that Lowell required surgery on his right thumb.[11] Lowell underwent a successful surgery on December 30.[12] He remained with the Red Sox and joined the team for Spring Training following rehabilitation on his surgically repaired thumb.[13] On April 10, 2010, Lowell announced that he would most likely retire after the 2010 season. In the 2010 season he played as a backup infielder at first and third base and as a pinch hitter. On August 3 after coming back from nearly 2 months on the disabled list, Lowell stepped into the batters box to a standing ovation at Fenway Park and hit a 2-run home run on the first pitch."

    I don't know where Lester will end up when his playing days are over.

    I know Papi will always be a God in Boston. But to many, like myself, his mouth has tarnished his own legend.

    Mike Lowell will forever be remembered as I described him above: professional, humble, hard working. I have no doubt of his affinity for Boston. I will always put Lowell on a pedestal with the Sox greats for how he played, and how he conducted himself. If 04 was Ortiz' year. 07 was equally Lowell's.




    I never had anything negative to say about Lowell. A gamer all the way.

    I did however take issue with some here who were carping that Lowell was getting "dissed" because he was losing playing time , while he could barely move and was an obvious defensive liability. Some posters here went as far as to suggest a conspiracy against Lowell by Sox management to "disrespect" him.  Pure silliness.

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    I hope you did not get that from my posts.  As much as I love Mike, I believe that the best players play.  Even when the sox tried to trade him, I knew it is part of the game.  I was happy when the deal fell thru and was able to see him homer one more time.

     
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    In response to steven11's comment:
    [QUOTE]You can post numbers all day but the bottom line is what david agrees to is what he is worth.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    So even if a player takes a clearly discounted deal, like Pedroia, what he agrees to is what he's worth.  Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.  Great insight. 

     

     

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    makes a lot of sense.  How many years did dustin get? 7 years at 100 million.  He got security and a boat load of money. While you bring him up, Dustin is another one who did not threaten to walk if he did not get an extension.

    one more time in case you keep missing it. I could care less how much money ortiz makes.  Just don't tell me or even imply that you are underpaid after you and your agent signed the contract.  if you think you are underpaid, then grow a pair and go the free agency route.

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    Exactly it. I said in a previous post on an older thread that had he nver said ANYTHING, he would have made at least what he already has, if not more. If he feels he's underpaid AT ALL, he has no one to blame but himself. He has downright DEMANDED these extensions that he now is complaining about. You can't have it both ways, I don't care what you've done on the field!

     
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    Exactly it. I said in a previous post on an older thread that had he nver said ANYTHING, he would have made at least what he already has, if not more. If he feels he's underpaid AT ALL, he has no one to blame but himself. He has downright DEMANDED these extensions that he now is complaining about. You can't have it both ways, I don't care what you've done on the field!

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    Here's an idea - stop letting what Ortiz says bother you.  Just tune him out.  What's the point?

    He's a superstar and he's going to get his extension. 

     

     
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    In response to steven11's comment:
    [QUOTE]You can post numbers all day but the bottom line is what david agrees to is what he is worth.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    So even if a player takes a clearly discounted deal, like Pedroia, what he agrees to is what he's worth.  Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.  Great insight. 

     

     

    [/QUOTE]


    makes a lot of sense.  How many years did dustin get? 7 years at 100 million.  He got security and a boat load of money. While you bring him up, Dustin is another one who did not threaten to walk if he did not get an extension.

    one more time in case you keep missing it. I could care less how much money ortiz makes.  Just don't tell me or even imply that you are underpaid after you and your agent signed the contract.  if you think you are underpaid, then grow a pair and go the free agency route.

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    So, you think Pedroia would play for free, if the Sox didn't offer him a contract?

    FTR, Ortiz never "threatened to walk" if he didn't get an extention.

    He said he'd play somewhere else, if the Sox didn't want him.

    The same thing Pedroia, or any other player would do.

    But, I realize that you can't make a point without exaggeration or BS.

     
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    In response to steven11's comment:
    [QUOTE]You can post numbers all day but the bottom line is what david agrees to is what he is worth.

     

    [/QUOTE]

    So even if a player takes a clearly discounted deal, like Pedroia, what he agrees to is what he's worth.  Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.  Great insight. 

     

     

    [/QUOTE]


    makes a lot of sense.  How many years did dustin get? 7 years at 100 million.  He got security and a boat load of money. While you bring him up, Dustin is another one who did not threaten to walk if he did not get an extension.

    one more time in case you keep missing it. I could care less how much money ortiz makes.  Just don't tell me or even imply that you are underpaid after you and your agent signed the contract.  if you think you are underpaid, then grow a pair and go the free agency route.

    [/QUOTE]


    Exactly it. I said in a previous post on an older thread that had he nver said ANYTHING, he would have made at least what he already has, if not more. If he feels he's underpaid AT ALL, he has no one to blame but himself. He has downright DEMANDED these extensions that he now is complaining about. You can't have it both ways, I don't care what you've done on the field!

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    Madragon...what's I find funniest in this whole latest Ortiz melodrama is that when Ortiz was talking about wanting an extension and how if the Sox didn't want him he'd play for another team....neither he nor his agent had even approached the Sox FO about the possibility of an extension. ( my understanding is that the agent is now talking with the team).

    I think a lot of the other posters are right. Ortiz needs a new agent.

    I think we need to know more about this agent. Who else does he represent? After all..if Papi has been playing underpaid all these years he can't be a very good agent.

     
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    Madragon...what's I find funniest in this whole latest Ortiz melodrama is that when Ortiz was talking about wanting an extension and how if the Sox didn't want him he'd play for another team....neither he nor his agent had even approached the Sox FO about the possibility of an extension. ( my understanding is that the agent is now talking with the team).

    I think a lot of the other posters are right. Ortiz needs a new agent.

    I think we need to know more about this agent. Who else does he represent? After all..if Papi has been playing underpaid all these years he can't be a very good agent.

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    Looks like the Globe has the same thought today....

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/02/19/david-ortiz-should-blame-his-agent-for-contract-unhappiness/B4C1Z0O7n3orpCuuwsPGZN/story.html

     
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    Madragon...what's I find funniest in this whole latest Ortiz melodrama is that when Ortiz was talking about wanting an extension and how if the Sox didn't want him he'd play for another team....neither he nor his agent had even approached the Sox FO about the possibility of an extension. ( my understanding is that the agent is now talking with the team).

    I think a lot of the other posters are right. Ortiz needs a new agent.

    I think we need to know more about this agent. Who else does he represent? After all..if Papi has been playing underpaid all these years he can't be a very good agent.

    [/QUOTE]


    Looks like the Globe has the same thought today....

    http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/02/19/david-ortiz-should-blame-his-agent-for-contract-unhappiness/B4C1Z0O7n3orpCuuwsPGZN/story.html

    [/QUOTE]

    All great points.

    Ortiz could have gone to FA many times. He wants the security...then still wants all the money. He can't have it both ways. He wants to be beloved by the fans for being that guy who "always wants to stay", but then wants management to show him his proper respect and pay him.

    Ortiz could have gone to FA, taken as much as he could have bled from the Sox (who would have paid him every single time), said nothing...and ALL the fans would love him unconditionally AND be happy that the Sox paid him. Me included.

     
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