Re: Mike Lowell speaks about Sox clubhouse
posted at 10/16/2011 4:41 PM EDT
In Response to Re: Mike Lowell speaks about Sox clubhouse
[QUOTE]In Response to Re: Mike Lowell speaks about Sox clubhouse : I never said a word whether it is right or wrong for them to be drinking beer in the clubhouse. I just pointed out how stupid you look by making it sound like Lowell said it was OK for pitchers to drink in the clubhouse if there's a chance they might have to pitch, which means relief pitchers. You made the idiotic jump that that relief pitchers were going to head to the clubhouse and get blasted then come back to pitch. I'm not splitting hairs. You're the one who twisted Lowell's words. Why is it so difficult to make your case simply and straightforward instead of making ridiculous leaps? If you think that's every player should stay in the dugout for the entire game, simply make that case. Why do you have make the idiotic statement, "Does the manager need to first ask the bull pen coach which reliever is sober enough to warm up? How as a batter would I feel wondering if the guy who just came in, in a blow out, may have been popping a few just before he came in to throw balls in my direction at 90+ MPH?" You come across as a typical troll who simply wants to throw fuel on the fire instead of having a legitimate discussion. For the record: Do I think it's OK for players to have a beer in the clubhouse after a game? Yes. Do I think it's OK for players to do what the Sox players are rumored to have done adn that's drink beer and hang out in the clubhouse during the game? Absolutely not. Do I think it's OK for player who have already been taken out of the game or any of the starting pitchers in the dugout to on occasion , head to the clubhouse after the eighth inning of a blowout as Lowell said? Over the course of 162 games, it's hardly something that would be a common occurance, so I don't think it's a big deal. If they're doing their work, playing hard, etc., heading to the clubhouse what basically would be a few minute early -- whether they pop a beer or not or simply get a jump on taking a shower or getting any treatment from the trainer -- is hardly a big deal or being unprofessional.
Posted by royf19[/QUOTE]
Roy, Please, take a moment and read what you wrote below:
"You come across as a typical troll who simply wants to throw fuel on the fire instead of having a legitimate discussion."
You suggest I come across as a typical troll, and suggest I want to throw fuel on a fire..... This is after you first called me ignorant. And now you have the gall to suggest it's ME who is not interested in a legitimate discussion?????
If YOU had any interest in a legitimate discussion you certainly could have asked me to explain my original comments, before you said my first post showed me to be ignorant..
Before I go on here let me first say at least now that you have taken a moment to state your position on this subject it seems to me your position and mine are not at all far apart. I think we could have gotten to this same place without the name calling.
We both seem to agree that the beer drinking should wait until after the game is over. I like you basically have no problem with a player who has been in a game especially a starting pitcher late in a game heading to the clubhouse instead of sitting on the bench. As you point out there can be some very real legitimate reasons for that. But popping beers, or playing video games at anytime during a game........ Sorry I simply don't see how that's good for team spirit as well as other things. When the game is OVER, fine to both.
But can you show me where I twisted Mike Lowell's actual words?? Or did I simply ask a series of questions based on these revelations that today may sound as ridiculous, as the very idea that beer drinking and video game playing during a game was ever allowed, may have sounded a few weeks ago? Right now nothing would surprise me.
I think many of us long time Red Sox fans ( certainly that includes me) are shell shocked to hear all we are hearing. If even half is true it's far worse than I ever imagined. If some of us lifetime fans ( in my case over 50 years) feel the dysfunction of this team has not only disgraced themselves, their manager, their owners, and us fans, but also hurt the long proud tradition of baseball in Boston I would hope people like you could first try to understand that hurt, rather then to first stoop to insults.
Sorry if I offended you with the way I first voiced my disgust, but there is so much wrong right now we all have a right to feel offended.