Re: MLB to begin testing for HGH this season
posted at 1/19/2013 6:03 AM EST
In response to ThatWasMe's comment:
In response to Beantowne's comment:
In response to jete02fan's comment:
not that it's a big deal, i guess the culture we now live in(sportswise) dictates that everyone should be suspect, imo..a sad commentary on American sports
Respectfully Jete, but cycling is hardly an American sport...Peds "AKA" Sports medicine knows no boundaries...It pervasive in all sport and in fact it's origins are in fact rooted in Eastern Europe and China...
Derek Jeter is just as responsible as Bud Selig and every player that wore a unifrom in the last 20 years for hiding behind a collective bargining aggrement and allowing the use to get to the point that it literally took an act of congress to get the players association to finally relent to the pressures of congress and agree to testing. I know that you know the he knew of the use in the Yankee clubhouse and he looked the other way. Instead of standing on a chair in the middle of the clubhouse and calling out those that he knew were using...
I respect your opinons BT however imo you cannot expect the players who were not using to come forward and finger those who were, even if they fully aware of what was going on.
They were more concerned about establishing their own careers to expect them to come forward and expose the frauds in the game and on their team is asking a bit too much from any player imo.
All those issues had to worked out behind closed doors within the membership of the mlbpa.
There are great players all over baseball in every organization who played the game clean who have yearned for the day that baseball would begin the mandatory testing but could not openly ask for it as members of the mlbpa.
I too have great respect for your opins as well...Mike Piazza today has fallen short of the Hall of Fame for being suspected of use. Though no evidence exist to substantiate that claim..So too are many of his contemporaries that are suspected of and many of them are crying foul. It is from that prisism that I have little sympothy for any of them. Lost on all in this sordid affair is the misconcetion that you can identify those that used based on dramatic changes to body types...when in fact nothing is further from the truth...
In the end if Jeter, Piazza and all those that in fact were clean. Had they as a collective, started a momvement within the union to pressure the leadership (Fehr) of the union. To address what is, was and continues to be clearly an issue that was and is not in the best interest of all players and certainly has sullied the games legesey for more than 3 decades. To take a stand and work with MLB to rid the game of this scurge...Instead of allowing him to protect the abusers by hiding behind a collective bargaining agreement. Under the guise of trying to protect the civil liberties of the membership. I would have far more empathy for those that have been judged guilty by association and now counter to our very laws that make this the greatest nation on the planet, must prove thier innocents. So in my mind every player in the game bares responsibility for the state of the game and the mistrust of the public. That includes Jeter, Pedrioa along with and including both of next years locks to be enshrined Maddux and Glavine...none of them are beyond reproach all of them IMHO are guilty until proven innocent!
The owners, the Union leadership, the commishoners office, Selig himself and every player in the game too include those that toiled in the minors. All were presented with the choice to nip this in the "Bud". In the interest of, far to many made the wrong choice (my opnion). I think we'd be hard pressed to convince Manny that he made the wrong choice given the 200 million he made while juicing...
Just for a little perspective on this issue...right now there's a kid toiling away in hopes of living his dream of one day of playing in the big leagues. This is a fact and not fiction, the question for every one of them today. Is not whether to use or not, but when do they have too, to make sure that they're not passed on the depth chart by a kid that is. Make no mistake about it this is not nor has it ever been a black arts of deception deal...I know that they know that I know, that all knew that part of the offseason workout programs for many of their teamamtes and themselves included a special tonic and a good rub down...
In the end if they truly want to rid the game of the use of, they just simply have to take away the very thng that motivates the players to use...the game itself...1 strike and your out...regardless of the level in which you test positive. One positive test = life time ban from participating in MLB baseball...And as a condition of being drafted by, you have to pass a drug test.