Jeez.....wonder why any pro would take the hight road?

Take off your naive vest.

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In response to AL34's comment:

Google Sports Illustrated last July and he is in the major article about steroids and baseball. Stop being so opinionated already and accept someone else' s opinion.

In response to ThatWasMe's comment:

In response to AL34's comment:

How about a credible link concerning Jeter.

After googling Naulty's name it comes up on all these nut ball discussions on back room blogs which have absolutely no credibility on the subject nor do you.

 I'm opinionated because I  requested  a credibile link/s you could provide to back up your claims that Naulty fingered Jeter as a PED user.

This morsal of crud you used to slime Jeter.

And who in the world is Naulty? Where did he make the comments and were they made under oath?

I'm open to other opinions that's why I come here and why I asked for your source, quite frankly I can't find Naulty's comments.

As I've said here before, you can accuse anyone of anything on the internet, say anything about anybody, but  to prove it's true is altogether different. 

This is where you fall down.

You like to make these outlandish claims here but when asked to produce the source of such rubbish you can't even do that.

Instead you attack the poster asking for your source.

You don't come here for opinions, you come to a rival team's board to defend your team. I can't think of a more ridiculous way to spend your time. Why do you care so much what Sox fans say about the Yankees on their own board? I don't care what Yankees fans say about the Sox on their boards. If I did go to a Yankee board, I would just laugh at them. Do you think the millionaires you spend your time defending across the Internet spend one second of their time defending you?

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In response to Triumph-'s comment:

Jeez.....wonder why any pro would take the hight road?

Take off your naive vest.

As in choosing not to use or to be contrite and admit to using and bare his soul and tell the truth....I did it because I was looking for an edge so I could continue to earn millions while playing a game I love. The first time I hear that, then I'll give the guy his due...to date none of them have and it's doubtful they ever would...

No pro athelete has admitted it?

LOL

You may wanna check your facts.

BT

We do not know what happened behind closed doors during this era, nor will we ever know.

We do not know if in fact there were incidents of the non-users confronting  abusers on their respective teams.

I suspect the players who play the game clean were turned off by the ramped PED and HGH use throughout the game and did protest to mlbpa union reps.

I also suspect those same players were turned off by the rumors of possible use whenever they had a season where they themselves worked hard played within the rules and put up decent numbers and then had to listen to those rumors.

But I cannot hold it against any one player who was not involved to play sheriff to finger those that were.

Too much pressure to bear from the mlbpa, fellow players and the media who would immediately hound dog those who came forward for more information.

That they are allowing random blood testing in 2013 tells me that the tide has gradually changed within the membership of the mlbpa and for the better I might had.

Myself I prefer to focus on those who have failed tests or have had evidence come presented to prove that were involved with HGH or PEDS.

In my mind without any of those circumstances players like Mike Piazza should be left out of the conversation, he should be judged by the numbers he put up as a player alone.

That guys like Piazza have been caught up in the scandal without proof that he was involved is unfair and one of the reasons I think the MLBPA decided it was time for random blood testing.

In response to ThatWasMe's comment:

BT

We do not know what happened behind closed doors during this era, nor will we ever know.

We do not know if in fact there were incidents of the non-users confronting  abusers on their respective teams.

I suspect the players who play the game clean were turned off by the ramped PED and HGH use throughout the game and did protest to mlbpa union reps.

I also suspect those same players were turned off by the rumors of possible use whenever they had a season where they themselves worked hard played within the rules and put up decent numbers and then had to listen to those rumors.

But I cannot hold it against any one player who was not involved to play sheriff to finger those that were.

Too much pressure to bear from the mlbpa, fellow players and the media who would immediately hound dog those who came forward for more information.

That they are allowing random blood testing in 2013 tells me that the tide has gradually changed within the membership of the mlbpa and for the better I might had.

Myself I prefer to focus on those who have failed tests or have had evidence come presented to prove that were involved with HGH or PEDS.

In my mind without any of those circumstances players like Mike Piazza should be left out of the conversation, he should be judged by the numbers he put up as a player alone.

That guys like Piazza have been caught up in the scandal without proof that he was involved is unfair and one of the reasons I think the MLBPA decided it was time for random blood testing.

TWM,

I don't disagree with any of your positions. I think over the years you know where I stand as well. 

All I will add is you reap what you sow...the players and all involved in the facilitation of bare responsibility for where the game is today and the suspicion of and the lack of trust that we can believe any of them that declare themselves to be clean.

agree the proposed testing program is a step in right direction.  they stop short of saying how often random testing will be done and how they will determine who gets tested, which is really the key.

In response to jete02fan's comment:

not that it's a big deal, i guess the culture we now live in(sportswise) dictates that everyone should be suspect, imo..a sad commentary on American sports

Respectfully Jete, but cycling is hardly an American sport...Peds "AKA" Sports medicine knows no boundaries...It pervasive in all sport and in fact it's origins are in fact rooted in Eastern Europe and China...

Derek Jeter is just as responsible as Bud Selig and every player that wore a unifrom in the last 20 years for hiding behind a collective bargining aggrement and allowing the use to get to the point that it literally took an act of congress to get the players association to finally relent to  the pressures of congress and agree to testing. I know that you know the he knew of the use in the Yankee clubhouse and he looked the other way. Instead of standing on a chair in the middle of the clubhouse and calling out those that he knew were using...

Tough blow for the Yankees.

In response to michaelsjr's comment:

agree the proposed testing program is a step in right direction.  they stop short of saying how often random testing will be done and how they will determine who gets tested, which is really the key.

I agree.

But because of the involvement of the MLBPA  union and MLB you would have to think the program will be fair.

But we'll see.

not that it's a big deal, i guess the culture we now live in(sportswise) dictates that everyone should be suspect, imo..a sad commentary on American sports

 
Respectfully Jete, but cycling is hardly an American sport...Peds "AKA" Sports medicine knows no boundaries...It pervasive in all sport and in fact it's origins are in fact rooted in Eastern Europe and China...

 Derek Jeter is just as responsible as Bud Selig and every player that wore a unifrom in the last 20 years for hiding behind a collective bargining aggrement and allowing the use to get to the point that it literally took an act of congress to get the players association to finally relent to  the pressures of congress and agree to testing. I know that you know the he knew of the use in the Yankee clubhouse and he looked the other way. Instead of standing on a chair in the middle of the clubhouse and calling out those that he knew were using...

i hear you Beans....i guess "American sports" was too broad a term...i just meant the sports where we hear most of these stories...i'm totally NOT against testing, i realize it inhererently makes all the athletes in that sport responsible 

In response to Beantowne's comment:

In response to jete02fan's comment:

not that it's a big deal, i guess the culture we now live in(sportswise) dictates that everyone should be suspect, imo..a sad commentary on American sports

Respectfully Jete, but cycling is hardly an American sport...Peds "AKA" Sports medicine knows no boundaries...It pervasive in all sport and in fact it's origins are in fact rooted in Eastern Europe and China...

Derek Jeter is just as responsible as Bud Selig and every player that wore a unifrom in the last 20 years for hiding behind a collective bargining aggrement and allowing the use to get to the point that it literally took an act of congress to get the players association to finally relent to  the pressures of congress and agree to testing. I know that you know the he knew of the use in the Yankee clubhouse and he looked the other way. Instead of standing on a chair in the middle of the clubhouse and calling out those that he knew were using...

i hear you Beans....i guess "American sports" was too broad a term...i just meant the sports where we hear most of these stories...i'm totally NOT against testing, i realize it inhererently makes all the athletes in that sport responsible 

In response to PaulLaCourse's comment:

Tough blow for the Yankees.

Maybe not. You remember when questions about Colon and his surgery came up, not by any help from Colon btw, it was decided they would deal with it after the season was over, which they never did, of course. The fact that he was allowed to pitch that season without even being tested, shows you have much power the Yankees have as far as MLB is concerned.

There will be no pivotal Yankee player that will be tested during the season and found to be using. Take that to the bank.

In response to jete02fan's comment:

In response to Beantowne's comment:

In response to jete02fan's comment:

not that it's a big deal, i guess the culture we now live in(sportswise) dictates that everyone should be suspect, imo..a sad commentary on American sports

Respectfully Jete, but cycling is hardly an American sport...Peds "AKA" Sports medicine knows no boundaries...It pervasive in all sport and in fact it's origins are in fact rooted in Eastern Europe and China...

Derek Jeter is just as responsible as Bud Selig and every player that wore a unifrom in the last 20 years for hiding behind a collective bargining aggrement and allowing the use to get to the point that it literally took an act of congress to get the players association to finally relent to  the pressures of congress and agree to testing. I know that you know the he knew of the use in the Yankee clubhouse and he looked the other way. Instead of standing on a chair in the middle of the clubhouse and calling out those that he knew were using...

i hear you Beans....i guess "American sports" was too broad a term...i just meant the sports where we hear most of these stories...i'm totally NOT against testing, i realize it inhererently makes all the athletes in that sport responsible 

Jete,

Don't you find it a bit curious that the NFL suspends a dozen players a year for use of and for the most part fly under the radar. While in MLB Baseball it's viewed and reported like a scandal...Part of that I think stems from our need to hold on to what has made baseball the game that it is. In a statistic driven sport, the timeless quality that allowed us to compare Babe Ruth's 714 with Hank Aaron's 755 and Barry Bonds, was lost during this ERA and replaced with an asterisk *. I also feel as though the manner in which Fehr and the player association fought the implementation of testing and the all to public nature of the congressional hearings. Where many of the players purgered themselves and the susequent trials helped to fuel what is now a three ring circus.

In the end MLB has only themselves to blame in totale, none of those that participated in allowing this to get to this point are without some level of responsibility. I too support more stringent testing and have since learning of the pervasive use by the players. I will add that testing alone won't rid the game of and until the penalty for use is such that it's prohibitive. Those looking for an edge will continue to seek out the next best scientists who have developed the means to mask the use of and the cycle will continue.

Manny Ramirez signed a 25M dollar extension with the Dodgers based on numbers he emassed while on steriods, got busted, suspended without pay for 50 games. Returned and netted 17M...

So I'll asked a simple question..Would you take an illegal substance that in so doing gave you the ability to based on your production seek compensation in your present employment. That would set you and your familiy up for life, a wage that was comensuarate with the best in your field, that you otherwise wouldn't be able to command if you were clean. One that carried a penalty if caught you'd be suspended for a month, then allowed to return thereafter, at the same wage and the only thing you'd have to sacrifice is the moneys docked while on suspension. I think most of us if honest with ourselves would indeed "drink the tonic".

It is from this prisism that MLB and every other professional or ametuer sports organization needs to view this issue. Melky Cabrera was suspended for 50 games last year, then this past offseason signed a free agent contract with the Blue Jays...So in the end, he lost a couple of million, still made a couple of million and will this year make a couple of million more. So getting busted in my mind is hardly a deterent...If they truly want to make inroads and stiffle the use of, they have to take away the very thing that motives the players to use...the game itself and the riches bestowed upon them becasue they can hit a round ball with a round bat, squarely.

I would have to think that a two year suspension without pay and the team has the option of voiding the player contract. Would serve as a far greater deterent than the current slap on the wrist of 50 games without pay. It won't elimante the cheaters from continuing to look for an edge...but will give many others pause...Locks are meant to keep honest people honest. If the penalty for murder in our society was a night in jail, the bodies would line the streets...

If anything Lance without meaning to has thoroughly convinced me Clemens is guilty and now I am more likely to assume Bautista, Ortiz, Manny, and so many others were on their own cycle. Pun intended.

Although the topic is relevant, a thread like this is an open invitation for cranks.