mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects

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    mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects

    http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2011/index.jsp?c_id=bos#list=bos

    Jose Iglesias at No. 40 is the only Red Sox prospect ranked among the Top 50 overall:

    http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2011/index.jsp?c_id=bos#list=bos
     
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    Don't see a lot of hope for the future with the top 10 prospects listed there.  Looks like the Sox sold the farm and now they are paying for it.  Hopefully the new management will build it back up to respectability and allow it to produce some real future talent once again.
     
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    Don't forget we lost some prospects obtaining Agon. Does anyone really want to undo that?
     
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    While Rizzo looks promising, they sold high on Casey Kelly who did not have a good yr at AA.  Fuentes is a 160 lb slap hitter with some speed.  Not exactly a star prospect.  So they did give up some talent for AGon but it was actually a very good trade and isn't the reason the Sox minor league system is weak.

    Their pitching was a big disappointment last yr.  Weiland was about the only guy who stepped up but he looked overwhelmed starting in the bigs.  Probably a reliever long-term.  Pimental, Britton, Doubront, and Ranaudo all had less than stellar seasons.

    Are their drafts overrated or is the problem with the player development personnel??
     
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    In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects:
    [QUOTE]While Rizzo looks promising, they sold high on Casey Kelly who did not have a good yr at AA.  Fuentes is a 160 lb slap hitter with some speed.  Not exactly a star prospect.  So they did give up some talent for AGon but it was actually a very good trade and isn't the reason the Sox minor league system is weak. Their pitching was a big disappointment last yr.  Weiland was about the only guy who stepped up but he looked overwhelmed starting in the bigs.  Probably a reliever long-term.  Pimental, Britton, Doubront, and Ranaudo all had less than stellar seasons. Are their drafts overrated or is the problem with the player development personnel??
    Posted by siestafiesta[/QUOTE]

    IMO It could be the same situation with Weiland as is now being discussed about Iggy. Was he brought up too soon? I'm sure we need to rebuild our farm. It's my understanding that successful teams don't get the best draft picks, so you never know. I'm sure like the major leagues they are entitled to not so great seasons. As for the player development personnel, they've turned out many great players, so I'm sure they know what they're doing.
     
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    mlb.com does not possess a thorough list of the sox system. No Matt Barnes? No Xander Boegarts? Brandon Jacobs? Miles Head?

    soxprospects.com
     
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    We also traded some prospects for Bedard and Aviles.

    We have some very good younger propsects that I am convinced will make the charts in the next year or two. We may also stockpile draft picks if we offer arb to Papi, Paps, and VTek and see them walk.
     
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    In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects:
    [QUOTE]mlb.com does not possess a thorough list of the sox system. No Matt Barnes? No Xander Boegarts? Brandon Jacobs? Miles Head? soxprospects.com
    Posted by TitleTown11[/QUOTE]

    Well, that's good to know.
     
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    I wonder if there will ever be a year where Lars Anderson is not on the prospects list?
     
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    Jacobs should be on this list instead  of Stolmy and Drake Britton..
    Lars still a prospect ?
    Miles Head  was  hot  at Greenville,,, cooled after promotion to Salem, but picked it up in August. 
    Xander as well ranks higher than half this crop..
     
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    In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects:
    [QUOTE]mlb.com does not possess a thorough list of the sox system. No Matt Barnes? No Xander Boegarts? Brandon Jacobs? Miles Head? soxprospects.com
    Posted by TitleTown11[/QUOTE]
    For whatever reason, mlb.com did not list players taken in the June 2011 draft (including Gerritt Cole and Danny Hultzen, the No. 1 and No. 2 picks overall).
     
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    Bottom line: Don't release lists that are not up-to-date. That's just irresponsible reporting.

     
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    Big deal! Three prospects in the Agon deal drains the farm???????????
    Only Rizzo was worth talking about. Kelly had trouble breaking 90MPH, and the other kid was a punch and judy hitter.
    The reality is, the Sox farm system is overrated by certain Sox fans.
    It's a myth. TWO position players produced since the new ownership took over.
    That's two position players in eight years. Of the pitchers, only Papelbon and Lester were stas. Buccholz hasn't proven that he's much more than a tease, and Bard's September was abysmal and his future role is up to question.
    The elephant had labored and brought forth a mouse.
     
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    In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects : For whatever reason, mlb.com did not list players taken in the June 2011 draft (including Gerritt Cole and Danny Hultzen, the No. 1 and No. 2 picks overall).
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]
    Hill. I think the top 50 list was probably up to date but the top 10 list for the Sox doesn't look like it is. No Lavarnway and they included guys like Tejeda and Britton. Lots of the individual profiles looked out of date. The top 50 did look new though. It's interesting that the national organizations still see Iglesias as our top guy. 2nd year in a row for mlb.com.
     
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    In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects : Hill. I think the top 50 list was probably up to date but the top 10 list for the Sox doesn't look like it is. No Lavarnway and they included guys like Tejeda and Britton. Lots of the individual profiles looked out of date. The top 50 did look new though. It's interesting that the national organizations still see Iglesias as our top guy. 2nd year in a row for mlb.com.
    Posted by Boomerangsdotcom[/QUOTE]
    The mlb.com lists are confusing ... mlb.com has pitcher Taijuan Walker as Seattle's No. 1 prospect but No. 50 overall. Shortstop Nick Franklin is ranked third in the organization but No. 23 overall. Outfielder Guillermo Pimental is ranked fifth in the organization but No. 37 overall. Pitcher James Paxton and thirdbaseman Francisco Martinez are unranked overall, but Nos. 2 and 4, respectively, in the Seattle organization.
     
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    In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects : Hill. I think the top 50 list was probably up to date but the top 10 list for the Sox doesn't look like it is. No Lavarnway and they included guys like Tejeda and Britton. Lots of the individual profiles looked out of date. The top 50 did look new though. It's interesting that the national organizations still see Iglesias as our top guy. 2nd year in a row for mlb.com.
    Posted by Boomerangsdotcom[/QUOTE]

    Perhaps they see him as the best Major league ready prospect?
     
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    In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects : IMO It could be the same situation with Weiland as is now being discussed about Iggy. Was he brought up too soon? I'm sure we need to rebuild our farm. It's my understanding that successful teams don't get the best draft picks, so you never know. I'm sure like the major leagues they are entitled to not so great seasons. As for the player development personnel, they've turned out many great players, so I'm sure they know what they're doing.
    Posted by kimsaysthis[/QUOTE]
    Finishing third place and out of the playoffs in '10 and '11 does not equate to successful. You are right, however the Red Sox should be getting decent draft picks now and unfortuneately going forward for a few years, which should allow Ben to start to rebuild the farm system.
     
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    In Response to mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects:
    [QUOTE]http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2011/index.jsp?c_id=bos#list=bos Jose Iglesias at No. 40 is the only Red Sox prospect ranked among the Top 50 overall: http://boston.redsox.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2011/index.jsp?c_id=bos#list=bos
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    hill,

    The good thing about these rankings is the fact they are hit or miss.  The rate of top ranked prospects ending up any better than some never mentioned probably isn't anything to brag about.
     
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    In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects:
    [QUOTE]Big deal! Three prospects in the Agon deal drains the farm??????????? Only Rizzo was worth talking about. Kelly had trouble breaking 90MPH, and the other kid was a punch and judy hitter. The reality is, the Sox farm system is overrated by certain Sox fans. It's a myth. TWO position players produced since the new onweship took over. That's two position players in eight years. Of the pitchers, only Papelbon and Lester were stas. Buccholz hasn't proven that he's much more than a tease, and Bard's September was abysmal and his future role is up to question. The elephant had labored and brought forth a mouse.
    Posted by GhostofTito[/QUOTE]


    I count three big names:
    Ellsbury
    Youk
    Pedey

    2 lessers:
    David Murphy
    Jed Lowrie

    Several traded for pieces.

     
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    Youkilis was a Duquette era signee, not this regime.
    Go back and read my post. "TWO position players produced since the new ownership took over."
    Thank you.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects : hill, The good thing about these rankings is the fact they are hit or miss.  The rate of top ranked prospects ending up any better than some never mentioned probably isn't anything to brag about.
    Posted by craze4sox[/QUOTE]
    I agree ... the Red Sox  farm system could be a lot better ... or a lot worse ... than these rankings suggest.
     
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    In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects:
    [QUOTE]Big deal! Three prospects in the Agon deal drains the farm??????????? Only Rizzo was worth talking about. Kelly had trouble breaking 90MPH, and the other kid was a punch and judy hitter. The reality is, the Sox farm system is overrated by certain Sox fans. It's a myth. TWO position players produced since the new ownership took over. That's two position players in eight years. Of the pitchers, only Papelbon and Lester were stas. Buccholz hasn't proven that he's much more than a tease, and Bard's September was abysmal and his future role is up to question. The elephant had labored and brought forth a mouse.
    Posted by GhostofTito[/QUOTE]

    I tend to generally agree with your post.  I think Hanley was drafted before this FO was here but I do think Masterson will be a solid pitcher (#3 caliber) for a while and he was drafted in 2006.  Considering what the Red Sox actually got from Vmart, which was 0 play-off wins, the Masterson deal might not look great in 8 years.

    The alledged "pipeline" of talent doesn't seem to be filling out the roster all that much. 
     
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    In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects : Hill. I think the top 50 list was probably up to date but the top 10 list for the Sox doesn't look like it is. No Lavarnway and they included guys like Tejeda and Britton. Lots of the individual profiles looked out of date. The top 50 did look new though. It's interesting that the national organizations still see Iglesias as our top guy. 2nd year in a row for mlb.com.
    Posted by Boomerangsdotcom[/QUOTE]

    The top 50 list is old.  Trout is not rookie eligible, he spent half the year in MLB.  If you read through the analysis for the players, they read like we're going into the 2011 season.  
     
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    In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects:
    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: mlb.com ranks top Red Sox prospects : The top 50 list is old.  Trout is not rookie eligible, he spent half the year in MLB.  If you read through the analysis for the players, they read like we're going into the 2011 season.  
    Posted by JB-3[/QUOTE]
    Mike Trout has 123 MLB at-bats and maintains his prospect status until the Angel outfielder reaches the 130 at-bat threshold.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/troutmi01.shtml

    Of course, SoxProspects has made an exception for Ryan Kalish, who remains on the SoxProspects list despite 163 MLB at-bats.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kalisry01.shtml
     
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    Wow guys, way to bash the Sox system with a complete lack of perspective.

    Regarding the current list, you should have known this would be the case. Remember Theo's "bridge year"? Part of that comment included a gap in upper level player development...the top guys had graduated or been traded, but the younger players weren't polished prospects yet.

    Theo was aware of this, and he acted to fix it. The Sox had what looks to be a very strong or better draft two years ago, and they had four first round picks this past draft...that's a major infusion of talent.

    Here's the bottom line: it takes YEARS to develop top prospects, and many strong systems go through periods without major prospects. It's virtually impossible for top prospects to reach that status in a year or two...those types of players usually come from the top half of the first round of the draft, and unless you guys missed it, take note that the Sox NEVER draft there.

    I think the Sox system is in an excellent position. It's not a top system, but it shouldn't be, and doesn't have to be. You'll see an impact from it before too long...
     
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