Re: More on LF and Silly Projections
posted at 3/10/2013 2:50 PM EDT
In response to softlaw2's comment:
Reed Johnson got more money than that from Atlanta. Also you left out the part where Loney cannot hit.
1M more, but if the Red Sox had offered him 1M guaranteed early, I doubt he would have waited around. Loney is a better hitter an fielder, than the great Carp. Would have been a nice compliment to Napoli.
I'd rather have Justin Upton in LF too. But Arizona wanted no part of Ellsbury and Upton did specifically state he would NOT waive his no trade to Bostom and that it was NOT a negotiating ploy.
You miss the point, entirely. Ellsbury for one season plus the draft compensation was worth more than any single player ATL included in that garbage offer. Very easy to include a third team to use Ellsbury as trade currency. As I suspected, the Red Sox could have kept Bradley, Bogearts and Barnes and easily trumped the Braves. As I stated, the Red Sox simply needed to offer J. Upton an extension that paid him about 16 or 17M until age 33 and he would have waived the no trade which is nothing but leverage for an extension.
I do hate platoons (re-read the first line in the original post) but Upton was not an option. So one year of Carp/Gomes and bide time for Stanton
J. Upton was an option. Stanton is 2 to 3 years away. J. Upton has a career .900 OPS v LP. Stanton is about the same age but has only made it to 140 games in a season in the last two seasons. If Stanton is healthy when the time comes, he'll cost a lot more than J. Upton.
The problem with Stanton is the Marlins won't even think about trading him for at least 2 years. However, the Red Sox will need to embarrass themselves with Carp and Gomes and a revolving door and wait for another 2 or 3 years on Stanton bidding process. If he can put up 2 staright 140 plus big time production seasons, the NY Yankees will be the winning bidder for his free agent years.
No, I am not the one missing points and revising recent history.
1. Ellsbury's draft pick apprently means little to AZ. The acquired Prado, who could have had similar compensation and they extended him, and for roughly the same money as a qualifying offer. I do agree Boston could have topped that offer, but Ellsbury would not have been part of it, unless a third team was involved. The real issue appears to be Towers wanting a 3B, and dealing Ellsbury for a 3B would have been difficult if you look around the league at teams that need CF and have 3B to spare. (Hint: None.)
2. I like Reed Johnson and think he is a pretty underrated player. But he also would have taken more money elsewhere.
3. Loney is awful, and I would certainly not put any money on him outproducing Carp. And that is not exactly a ringing endorseent for Carp. Loney's defensive reputation appears to be just that, a reputation. His actual skils on field are average on a good day. The sad part about Loney;s defense is that his best asset is an above average throwing arm, yet he plays a position that neutralizes it. And attempts to move him to the OF where it would be an asset have all been miserable failures.
4. Upton did state he would not sign an extension in Boston, nor would he approve a trade there, much like he did not to Seattle. And to sign that meager extension for a high profile player turning 28 at free agency is laughable. His agent is aware that players with his career and reaching free agency prior to age 30 are in line for Manny- Ramirez-esque contracts. Upton will be getting Matt Kemp money, and he and his agent are well aware of this, and will strongly advise Justin to wait.and test the market. At least that is way any agent with one active brain cell would do. Sure a Matt Kemp contrat could get it done, but not a deal that is woth much less.
5. Stanton is likely to be available after 2013 season, as he will be eligible for arbitration and cost Miami actual money. He will be a tough trade acquisition, but given his contract status, years of control and age, he could be a real coup.