Mr. Henry, this is reality with Tek & Wake

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    Mr. Henry, this is reality with Tek & Wake

    #1 Tek hasn't been close to an all round catcher since he began to fade in 07, the last time we won the WS.  Stop believing he is a savior to our pitching staff.  Tek fans keep posting stats comparing "one year" of Victor catching in Boston, or two inexperienced catchers like Salty and Lav to make Tek still look more valuable.  Pitchers have proven all over the league, like the Tigers, Rangers and others that calling a good game is not necessary to be successful and that's all Tek really has to offer.  So we win more with Tek, get a better "all round" catcher as a starter and watch what we can do.  This has been going on since 08 and if Victor had been younger, he was more valuable than Salty as our starter.

    #1 Wake is beginning to truly embarrass himself and has limited our chances of winning when asked to pitch every five days.  If Tim wants to play elsewhere to get a few more wins before retiring so be it.

    Give Tek and Wake due honors for all their years of service and move on.
     
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    Re: Mr. Henry, this is reality with Tek & Wake

    Thanks Wake, Thanks Tek ...
    But this is it. 
    New opportunities for more youngs players
     
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    Re: Mr. Henry, this is reality with Tek & Wake

    There's nothing more pathetic than washed up ahtletes who don't know enough to call it a day. These two are a disgrace, and have been for the last three seasons. They should be ashamed of themselves. 
     
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    Re: Mr. Henry, this is reality with Tek & Wake

    I believe that Francona lost the team when he pig headed kept sending Wake out to get the RS wins record.
     
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    Re: Mr. Henry, this is reality with Tek & Wake

    These two washed up players could hardly stand up straight in September. They most certanly cost the Red Sox a few games and a post season spot.

    Do not waste time or money on two old washed up players who pretend they are owed a perpetual roster spot.

    Sign Hernandez as a FA and have Salty and Lavarnway battle it out as future catcher. Lavarnway starts in AAA, all else equal.

    Varitek is not in terrific shape as Peter has stated. He is a 40 year old has been who, if he is on the Hgh that MLBPA and NFLPA will not allow testing for, it isn't working!

    Wastefield wanting to break an individual record for team wins was an embarrassment and costly ceremonial fiasco in 2011. Do  not repeat it!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Very important to remove old loser entitlement faces on a team that had zero effective clubhouse leadership in 2011.

    Ortiz is the only veteran FA profile who earned a MLB market contract offer. It is sad that most fans pretend that Varitek and Wastefield offer something as active roster members.                                  
     
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    Re: Mr. Henry, this is reality with Tek & Wake

    Instead of assessing Wake and Tek based on roles they aren't supposed to play, how about assessing Tek and Wake based on roles they were intended to play?

    Tek isn't a #1 catch Wakefield shouldn't be in the rotation.  But is Tek a viable backup?  Granted Wakefield shouldn't pitch every 5 days.  But he wasn't signed to the team to pitch every 5 days.  He was signed to be a spot starter.

    Wake had better outings that Lackey.
     
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    Re: Mr. Henry, this is reality with Tek & Wake

    But is Tek a viable backup? Granted Wakefield shouldn't pitch every 5 days. But he wasn't signed to the team to pitch every 5 days. He was signed to be a spot starter.

    No, Tek is not a viable backup! The guy couldn't stand up straight in September. Even assuming his zero arm and clumsy catching and blocking gives way to a few early months of decent catcher slugging, the guy is a zero in August and September and is effectively good money chasing bad. You don't waste time and money on a 40 year old has been. Use the innings to get experience for youth and for a capable veteran like Hernandez.

    Wastefield is a joke! Spot starts need to come from Aceves and AAA!
     
     
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    Re: Mr. Henry, this is reality with Tek & Wake

    In Response to Re: Mr. Henry, this is reality with Tek & Wake:
    [QUOTE]Instead of assessing Wake and Tek based on roles they aren't supposed to play, how about assessing Tek and Wake based on roles they were intended to play? Tek isn't a #1 catch Wakefield shouldn't be in the rotation.  But is Tek a viable backup?  Granted Wakefield shouldn't pitch every 5 days.  But he wasn't signed to the team to pitch every 5 days.  He was signed to be a spot starter. Wake had better outings that Lackey.
    Posted by DirtyWaterLover[/QUOTE]

    DirtWater, my point is Salty isn't any better than Tek and may never be defensively.  Do you realize we have had poor hitting catchers both starting and as back ups since 08 other than Victor?  He caught Wake like a pro and had a very respectable career FLGP. equal to Teks when he came here.  He also helped our offense in a huge way but I agree wasn't going to catch much longer.  The only fans who really bashed Victor were supporters of Tek.  These fans we all know compare the CERA "a very unpopular stat with experts" to those of Teks 15 years with the same team because thats all they have as an argument, which is senseless.

    Years ago we had an excuse to carry lousy hitting back ups and put up with Teks lack of hitting.  Because they could catch Wake and Tek couldn't.  No more excuses, we either keep the aging Tek for his great game calling skill?  Or Salty and Lavarnway who deserves a shot.  We need to move forward as a team and take the right "not wrong" risks we have been.
     
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    Re: Mr. Henry, this is reality with Tek & Wake

    Fans are bitter. I understand that. They want to blame Varitek and Wakefield for the downfall of the team even though Varitek's numbers were comparable to Saltalamacchia's when adjusted for at-bats, and even though Wakefield was forced to pitch every 5 days on account of injuries, not because he was selfish, or because the team wanted to pitch him that often. During the alleged chase for 200, there really was no one else. Kyle Weiland and Andrew Miller, who pitched worse than Wakefield, were also getting starts in September. Who did you want in the rotation? Scott Atchison? If anything, "old man Wakefield" proved his worth by being one of the few guys to stay healthy all year and actually take the ball.

    I agree with DirtyWater. Varitek is a viable backup (the numbers clearly support this contention) and Wakefield is a viable long-reliever/spot-starter. Use them in their intended roles and they're fine. Wakefield is actually pretty good when limited to 10 starts. That should be his ceiling. I'd bring them both back for $1 million or less, and if that's not enough for them, let them walk. While they're not worthless like some want to make them out to be, they don't deserve big paydays either. They're replaceable.
     
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    Re: Mr. Henry, this is reality with Tek & Wake

    Kyle Weiland and Andrew Miller, who pitched worse than Wakefield,

    Weiland was only given half dozen starts that were jerked around on no timetable at all. He had one good start and another decent start, all sandwiched around the O's beanball game that skewed a tiny sample size. Bottom line, Weiland sample size is too small to pretend that Timmy T-Ball was better.

    Miller was good on the road, and was also pulled back and forth to make way for Timmy Wastefield ceremonial tour.

    It is pure propaganda to claim that Timmy T-Ball pitched better.

    For years, most Red Sox fans have been making excuses for Tek and Timmy T-Ball getting roster spots. Always some angle like "leadership" and "mentor" and "innings eater" and "great value".

    In reality, Timmy T-Ball and Tek were the longest tenured MLPA clubhouse  members, two loser faces sitting in a record collapse September. They were unable to perform at a marginal level. They "owned", as Theo likes to buzz word, the loser clubhouse leadership during the collapse.

    All the two of them have to say about September collapse is they want to come back and chase indivudual records and continue their annual entitlement roster spots with a guaranteed MLB contract.

    Show them the door!
     
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