Must trade Lackey next year
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Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/9/2011 11:43 PM EDT
- chick92
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the only good news from this game is lackey will miss his next start -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/9/2011 11:48 PM EDT
- moonslav59
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Who's starting? Wally? -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/9/2011 11:50 PM EDT
- chick92
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couldnt be any worse -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/9/2011 11:53 PM EDT
- Arodswallows
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has anyone with such a huge contract, been that bad? -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 12:05 AM EDT
- dannycater
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John Lackey....where do I start....I've already commented enough about him, and out of deference to harness, I'm not going to jump on this trainwreck anymore. He is what he is.... -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 3:27 AM EDT
- tom-uk
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Before last night.
Lackey’s ERA+ of 68 ranks as the 65th worst rate compiled by a pitcher with at least 140 innings since 1901. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 4:47 AM EDT
- S0ftl@w
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Take it out of Theo's pay and send the two to the Cubs. Regardless of whether this team plays well in post season, Theo needs to be fired for long term value reasons. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 5:33 AM EDT
- southpaw777
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In Response to Re: Must trade Lackey next year:Who's starting? Wally?
Posted by moonslav59
I think if your seriously going to try and trade lackey, First gotta eat a chunck of it and throw in a prospect or a MLB ready player to possibly get ANY decent return back.. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 8:01 AM EDT
- Diamondtalk
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Lackey was a bad signing but he's under contract through 2014.The only hope is to peddle him for a player in a similar situation and big contract and hope a change of scenery will do whoever the Sox get some good. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 8:01 AM EDT
- khuberpt
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some good ideas. i think crawford will come around. anything is better than lackey now, or earlier in the year -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 8:05 AM EDT
- jackyldo
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and who wants Lackey ?
He might be a standout in the NL but have not seen much of him winning "big" in the AL.. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 9:29 AM EDT
- craze4sox
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In Response to Re: Must trade Lackey next year:and who wants Lackey ? He might be a standout in the NL but have not seen much of him winning "big" in the AL..
Posted by jackyldo
If the Sox had Tampa's staff we woud be close to unbeatable. Our team needs to find another quality starter or two next season to go along with Jon, Josh and Clay. We also need a stronger pen. The one guy I won't get down on just yet is CC, until he plays another year or so in Boston. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 9:59 AM EDT
- moonslav59
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These are just some salary dump ideas. I am not saying I am for any of these, but am just presented them as possible ways to deal Lackey (and others)...Lackey, Dice-K, and JenksforZambano and SorianoThe money is nearly identical.Maybe a change of scenery will turn things around.ORCrawford ($122M/6)Lackey ($46M/3)Total: $148M for 9 years totalforJSantana ($55M/2 counting buyout)Jason Bay ($39M/2 counting buyout)Total: $94M for 4 years totalThe Mets would basically be paying Crawford $54M for 6 years, but with no Santana -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 10:03 AM EDT
- susan250
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In Response to Re: Must trade Lackey next year:Nice idea...But no GM in his right mind is going to want Lackey. A bad contract and a bad pitcher.
Posted by jrh1194
Agree with you. It would be great to trade Lackey, but who would want him. He once was a good pitcher, but certainly hasn't been reliable lately. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 10:03 AM EDT
- moonslav59
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These are just some salary dump ideas. I am not saying I am for any of these, but am just presented them as possible ways to deal Lackey (and others)...Lackey, Dice-K, and JenksforZambano and SorianoThe money is nearly identical.Maybe a change of scenery will turn things around.ORCrawford ($122M/6)Lackey ($46M/3)Total: $148M for 9 years totalforJSantana ($55M/2 counting buyout)Jason Bay ($39M/2 counting buyout)Total: $94M for 4 years totalThe Mets would basically be paying Crawford $54M for 6 years, but with no SantanaORLackey ($46M/3)Crawford ($122M/6)forVernon Wells ($74M/3)D. Haren ($16M/1 counting buyout)The Angels wanted CC last winter...ORLackey ($46M/3)Dice-K ($10M/1)Jenks ($6M/1)Jed Lowrie (arb 1 or 3)Total: $62MforBillingsley ($35M/3 incl. buyout)Ted Lily ($25M/2)Juan Uribe ($16M/2 incl. buyout)Total: $66MLA wants to save cash, maybe they'd do the deal without Jenks and through in someone like Bowden or DoubrontORPeavy $21M/1 incl buyoutRios $39M/3 incl buyoutforLackey $46M/3Dice-K $10M/1Just some ideas. Yes, other ideas could include throwing in prospects to sweeten the salary part of the deals.CWS save $4M.. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 10:07 AM EDT
- BurritoT
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I don't like any of those... except maybe Bay/Santana -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 10:09 AM EDT
- susan250
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In Response to Re: Must trade Lackey next year:These are just some salary dump ideas. I am not saying I am for any of these, but am just presented them as possible ways to deal Lackey (and others)... Lackey, Dice-K, and Jenks for Zambano and Soriano The money is nearly identical. Maybe a change of scenery will turn things around. OR Crawford ($122M/6) Lackey ($46M/3) Total: $148M for 9 years total for JSantana ($55M/2 counting buyout) Jason Bay ($39M/2 counting buyout) Total: $94M for 4 years total The Mets would basically be paying Crawford $54M for 6 years, but with no Santana OR Lackey ($46M/3) Crawford ($122M/6) for Vernon Wells ($74M/3) D. Haren ($16M/1 counting buyout) The Angels wanted CC last winter... OR Lackey ($46M/3) Dice-K ($10M/1) Jenks ($6M/1) Jed Lowrie (arb 1 or 3) Total: $62M for Billingsley ($35M/3 incl. buyout) Ted Lily ($25M/2) Juan Uribe ($16M/2 incl. buyout) Total: $66M LA wants to save cash, maybe they'd do the deal without Jenks and through in someone like Bowden or Doubront OR Peavy $21M/1 incl buyout Rios $39M/3 incl buyout for Lackey $46M/3 Dice-K $10M/1 Just some ideas. Yes, other ideas could include throwing in prospects to sweeten the salary part of the deals. CWS save $4M ..
Posted by moonslav59
I like the idea of trading Lackey in a deal, but haven't given up on Crawford yet.
I was really excited when the Red Sox signed him and won't give up on him. He is just having a bad season. Trading Crawford for Bay would be a wash. Jason Bay was also a great player when he was with the Red Sox but has been struggling lately -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 10:26 AM EDT
- moonslav59
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CC is and will be better than JBay, but the money is far from a "wash". That's a plus of that part of the deal. The biggest plaus is getting Santana. I'd throw in some kids as well, like Lowrie and Douby. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 10:29 AM EDT
- BurritoT
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sure CC is better but we still need a RF too. Bay in lf, and go get a big bat for rf.and I like the years... Bay for only 2 lets us get a big lf bat at that time. win win. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 10:32 AM EDT
- susan250
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In Response to Re: Must trade Lackey next year:sure CC is better but we still need a RF too. Bay in lf, and go get a big bat for rf. and I like the years... Bay for only 2 lets us get a big lf bat at that time. win win.
Posted by BurritoT
My solution for RF is Bautists. I know that is only a dream, but imagine if we had his type of offensive production in RF this year. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 10:35 AM EDT
- craze4sox
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In Response to Re: Must trade Lackey next year:In Response to Re: Must trade Lackey next year : I like the idea of trading Lackey in a deal, but haven't given up on Crawford yet. I was really excited when the Red Sox signed him and won't give up on him. He is just having a bad season. Trading Crawford for Bay would be a wash. Jason Bay was also a great player when he was with the Red Sox but has been struggling lately
Posted by susan250
I think Lackeys best bet is either pitching for an NL team where very few hitters know him that well, or back in the West, away from the AL East. Guys like Zito and Lilly did pretty well in the AL before being traded to NL clubs so maybe a swap back may do them some good. I also thnk a guy like Garza would give us much more effective games than Lackey. Garza was tough in the big games and during pennent races. Thats the kind of motivated starter we need. One that can handle the pressure. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 10:37 AM EDT
- moonslav59
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More realistic choices would be:FAs:Beltran, Cuddyer, Crisp, DeJesus, Berkman, Sizemore, Willingham.Trades:Quentin and who knows who else. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 10:38 AM EDT
- BurritoT
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Sizemore still racks up doubles and gets on base but he continues to have more injuries than Drew... and he does not run anymore. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 10:39 AM EDT
- mrmojo1120
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Right now I'd trade Lackey for 3 stained,irregular Rally Monkey T-Shirts.
But,as long as he wears a Red Sox uni,I'm going to hope he turns it around and does well. -
Re: Must trade Lackey next year
posted at 9/10/2011 10:57 AM EDT
- moonslav59
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In Response to Re: Must trade Lackey next year:Sizemore still racks up doubles and gets on base but he continues to have more injuries than Drew... and he does not run anymore.
Posted by BurritoTA perfect fit then, right?