My Plan to Fix the 2012 Sox

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    that sounds easyCool
     
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    1-You'd rather pay Wells $21M instead of $16.5M for Crawford?

    2-$15.3M for Paps?  Who in their right mind is going to give him that?  Absent the NYY, what is the highest RP salary in BB?

    3-No one really wants Lars and Bowden.  Lowrie has some value.  Maybe we'd get someone to take Jenks salary off our hands if we gave them Lowrie, but we'd get nothing in return.
     
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    Not all that much of an upgrade.

    #1-#5 and the bottom two in the lineup remain unchanged. So, basically you've got a new LF and a new RF. Wells is no significant upgrade on Crawford and Kalish is unproven ( but, I admit any replacement for Drew has to be an improvemnet).

    Your top 3 in the rotation are the same. Looks like #4 starter should be an upgrade for certain, but Doubront hasn't proven anything yet. This is likely a small negligable upgrade.

    The main guys in the bullpen are still Bard, Papelbon and Aceves. I do not want Morales or Lopez. Capps, I don't know enough about. So the retread you bring in cancels out the possible upgrade and again, we are treading water here.

    Coco Crisp? Haven't we been there? I am thinking this bench is a good one, but the problem was mainly the pitching so I am not that excited about a good bench.

    All in all, not bad, but really no huge upgrades. We just have to hope some guys rebound from so-so years ( Youkilis,Buchholz, Crawford, Beckett, Lester). This would be extremely helpful.
     
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    My plan--- Let Crawford hit second and keep him there all year-- instill confidence in him and allow him and Ellsbury to run at will and cause havoc on the bases and have Petey and Gonzo see a ton of fastballs with those two on the bases in front of them.

    Hire a Manager that is agressive and forces the opposing Pitcher and infielders to be on there toes always because thats what wins games-- see Joe Madden as an example of that.

    Just Curious--- where is Gabe Kapler--- and does he want to Manage again now that his playing days are over?
     
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    Red Sox will not trade crawford and i agree with not trade him. Is stupid idea
     
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    Crawford will not be the problem in 2012.  SP will be now that the RS will need two SP instead of one.  I would like Buerhle or Oswalt for short deals with incentive laiden deals, but that might not be how the market stacks up this season.

    Id like to see another bullpen arm, since no one knows what your going to get out of Jenks.  I would reup Scutaro and platoon with Lowrie for another season.  Iglesias is not ready.  I would sign a veteran right handed OF like Willingham or Ludwick to platoon with Kalish or Reddick whoever wins that battle.

    Tek and Wake should retire gracefully and the RS should tell them that.  Neither should be back, nor should Macdonald and Wheeler.

    The trade market may be thin and the RS need to start developing their minor league system, so I dont see a big trade happening. 

    It all starts with a strong minded manager and a staff of teachers/mentors who can handle a clubhouse.
     
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    That plan only works if Crawford could get his OBP over 350 and I have seen no signs of that happening.   Mgt could tell Craw he's batting 3rd but I still don't see how that would translate to making him better?
    Posted by andrewmitch


    Andrew I know your game has switched from Drew to Crawford but I truly believe Crawford will go back to his normal numbers. 

    I do very little this offseason.

    Paps and Papi come back.  Tek/Wake do not. 
    I go cheap on everything else.
    The Obvious:  Starting Pitching- Take a run at Harden or Jackson. Maybe both. 
    RF- cheap option(Hairston Jr maybe-hard hard worker).
    BP- crap shoot.  but needs to be tweeked.

    Trade bait- Youk/Reddick/Lowrie  Cincy has Phillips who I would love to swap for Youk.  I would also love the idea of Wright but don't think that will happen.  

    My order:
    Crawford/Pedey/Jacoby/AGon/Youk/Papi/Salty/Scutaro/Hairston
    Bench:
    Aviles/Lav/Kalish/Hall(I liked him and would come cheap and is a decent bat off the bench and was pumped playing this this atmosphere). 
     
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    Let Pap and Papi walk do not resign Tek or Wake or Drew.
    Crawford--lf
    Pedroia--2b
    Ells--cf
    AGon--1b
    DH--Youk/Kubel
    Middlebrooks/Aviles--3b
    Lav/Salty--c
    Crisp/ Linares--rf
    Scu--ss

    Bench:Lowrie, Aviles,Linares, Salty,Kubel

    Rotation:Lester, Aceves, Buch, Doubrount, Bedard

    Pen: Bard, Morales, Jenk, Madson and Capps: (Bowden/Weiland/Hill)

    Trade/ F A  signings: Madson, Capps, Crisp, Kubel

    Youth moves: Kalish, Lavarnway, Linares, Doubrount

     
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    Let Pap and Papi walk do not resign Tek or Wake or Drew. Crawford--lf Pedroia--2b Ells--cf AGon--1b DH--Youk/Kubel Middlebrooks/Aviles--3b Lav/Salty--c Crisp/ Linares--rf Scu--ss Bench:Lowrie, Aviles,Linares, Salty,Kubel Rotation:Lester, Aceves, Buch, Doubrount, Bedard Pen: Bard, Morales, Jenks, Hill, Madson and Capps
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    Is Beckett the new pitching coach?
     
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    All in all, not bad, but really no huge upgrades. We just have to hope some guys rebound from so-so years ( Youkilis,Buchholz, Crawford, Beckett, Lester). This would be extremely helpful.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD


    I agree but since when did we decide that Beckett had a so-so year? Even with his september collapse he still had a really good year
     
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    That plan only works if Crawford could get his OBP over 350 and I have seen no signs of that happening.   Mgt could tell Craw he's batting 3rd but I still don't see how that would translate to making him better?
    Posted by andrewmitch


    perhaps we wait until next year...It's hard to put up a 350 OB when your on the golf coarse....
     
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    Beckett would be traded in my scheme---not sure where or to whom.
    My best choices would be to the Rangers, Astros, Angels, Dodgers, Giants or Colorado--depending the best return.
     
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    When you get a grasp on reality, let me know.

    Wells is 33 years old. Wells had a .248 OBP and .663 OPS. His career OPS is .792, and he is declining. And you want to pay 27M for 3 years (7M a year more than Crawford) for an older and inferior player!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    See if Ellsbury (ie Boras) would take a 75 million dollar extension and structure the money to give him big raises over the period of the contract and incentive laden options for more years at big $ 

    Are you 7 years old?  Wells and 7M more a year is focusing on the farm!!!!

     
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    The problem with the incentives mentioned in the contracts is that you can't give incentives based on how many home runs hit or how many RBIs, etc. I'm nearly 100 percent sure that the only incentives you can put in is for playing time -- games played for hitters, games or innings for pitchers -- and for winning awards.

    I might be wrong about this, but I don't think so.
     
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    I think you wait this year out to see how CC responds to a terrible year before you try and move him..RF needs a platoon IMO. A Ludwick/Willingham/Ross type plattoning with Red/Kalish will do til we see if RHB's Alex Hassan/Bryce Brentz will indeed be ready within the next 2 years..Resign Scoot..Iggy isnt ready yet..Hes only 21, so not a big deal for him to spend another year in AAA. Aviles proved to be a very reliable UIF and has a decent bat too, so hes back IMO..Middlebrooks might also get a COC this year..Cant wait to see this kid..
    Make reasonable offers to Paps, papi and Ells..Paps, maybe 3/39 with incentives..Papi, something like  2/20 with incentives to reach 12mm..I offer Ells 6/96 and see what happens..He might like the security over risking injury the next 2 years..Say thank you and goodbye to Tek and Wake and Drew..
    Id like to see what lavarnway could do in a larger sample size in MLB. He could DH/C, but he could also use some more defensive seasoning in AAA. so maybe go after a vet backup..Ramon Hernandez?
    There should be some good 4-5 type pitchers available at low cost this winter, as well as some bullpen arms..If Paps leaves, there will also be some cheaper but effective closers on the market we can go after..On the farm theres Doubront if he can come to camp in shape this year unlike 2011. Alex wilson should get a shot to make the rotation or the pen as well and Kyle Weiland, IMO, would be a better pen arm..Junichi Tazawa is aonther one, and is Aceves a possible 4-5 starter too?
    So really no big moves..Just a starter and pen arms along with a Platooning RH hittinf RF'r and backup C.
    We have a bunch of Arb cases to deal with this offseason as well, with Ells being the largest increase IMO or a possible LTC.
    LINEUP
    CF. Ells- I keep him here unless the power continues, then switch with Pedey.
    LF. CC- put him here for the first month or so and see what happens..
    2b. Pedey- see Ells
    1b. Gonzo
    3b.Youk
    DH. Papi
    RF. Ludwick/Willingham/Ross? platoon with Kalish/Reddick (IMO, 1 of Kalish or Red will b in a trade this offseason)
    C. Salty
    ss. scoot
    ROTATION
    SP. Lester
    SP. Beckett
    SP. Buchholz
    SP. Buehrle/Harden?
    SP. internal choice?
    RP. Bard
    RP. Jenks
    Fill in the rest..Its a crap shoot for pen arms anyway...just invite a b=unch of guys to camp and see what happens..

    Bench: Aviles, RF, C, and a Bill hall type who can play IF or OF..

     
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    I think he can rebound to his career #'s AM..I give him 2012 to prove he can...I also bat him in his natural 2nd spot and see what happens...
     
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    Re: My Plan to Fix the 2012 Sox

    Andrew, don't paint yourself into a corner on CC, remember what Softlaw did with his headstrong act on "Jake?"
     
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