Napoli vs. Gonzalez

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    Napoli vs. Gonzalez

    It is amazing that when all is said and done, how they compare. Napoli has been as good at the plate. And while Gonzalez is better defensively, Napoli has been pretty decent overall and certanly hasn't been a liability.

    Nap:136 G, 125 H, 78 R, 36 2B, 2 3B, 23 HR, 90 RBI, 69 BB, 182 K, .257/.355/.480/.836.
    A-Gon: 152 G, 167 H, 67 R, 31 2B, 0 3B, 21 HR, 98 RBI, 45 BB,  98 K, .293/.341/.458/.799.

    If you look at more stats, there are others where A-Gon has a slight over Napoli. Napoli actually should have more RBIs, because his batting average is slightly lower w/RISP and w men on base than his season average. That's why I'm hesitant to say he's been better than A-Gon at the plate.

    But when you look at everything, the Sox didn't lose much going from A-Gon to Napoli at 1B.

     
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    Gotta say, the #1 reason I was sad to see Adrian go was because, while his solid-but-unspectacular-offense could be replaced, I thought he was the best defensive first baseman I have ever seen in a Sox uni (all respect due to Yooooouuk).  And, i though Napoli would be a complete liability in the field.  But, Napoli has been more than competent.  Perhaps it his experience at catcher, but he is exemplary at digging throws out of the dirt and covering for bad throws in general.  Really pleasantly surprised with his D.

             
     
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    Napoli's stats certainly suggest more thump than Agon's but

    .257 BA vs .293 BA

    182 K's vs 98 K's

    Discounting the $$$ cost, team chemistry, etc., I still like Agon's stats over Nap's.

     
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    Napoli's stats certainly suggest more thump than Agon's but

    .257 BA vs .293 BA

    182 K's vs 98 K's

    Discounting the $$$ cost, team chemistry, etc., I still like Agon's stats over Nap's.



    But for what AGON produces? you can replace that with 20 million.  I'd rather pay out 20 million to an allstar catcher or a SS.  First baseman are easier to find.  

    I try not to think of it as player A vs. player B but rather the total net outcome of the team.  If the money was par, Agon > Napoli is a no brainer.

     
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    Re: Napoli vs. Gonzalez

    Park adjusted OPS+ is a virtual dead heat.

    Napoli 126

    AGon 124

     
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    Re: Napoli vs. Gonzalez

    In response to dustcover's comment:

    Napoli's stats certainly suggest more thump than Agon's but

    .257 BA vs .293 BA

    182 K's vs 98 K's

    Discounting the $$$ cost, team chemistry, etc., I still like Agon's stats over Nap's.



    Fair enough, but don't discount the fact that Napoli has a higher OBP and higher slugging percentage. So despite fewer strikeouts and more hits, Napoli is getting on base at a higher percentage and has more extra-base hits despite a lot fewer plate appearances.

    So when you look at all the more times A-Gon put the ball in play, wouldn't you expect him to more than an plus-eight advantage in RBIs.

     
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    Gotta say, the #1 reason I was sad to see Adrian go was because, while his solid-but-unspectacular-offense could be replaced, I thought he was the best defensive first baseman I have ever seen in a Sox uni (all respect due to Yooooouuk).  And, i though Napoli would be a complete liability in the field.  But, Napoli has been more than competent.  Perhaps it his experience at catcher, but he is exemplary at digging throws out of the dirt and covering for bad throws in general.  Really pleasantly surprised with his D.

             



    Agree.

    I hated losing Gonzalez and thought he got something of a bad rap here. But in the end, the Sox have come out OK -- for this year at least.

     
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    Dollar for Dollar, Naps has been the better choice....and I liked Agon, but losing him enabled the sox to hit the Reset button and that was priceless. I thought Agon got a bad rap also, but it is also true that Naps fits the Dirt Dog mold that Sox fans prefer better than Agon did......we seem to prefer guys who play like weekend softballers in the neighborhood, than guys who make things look easy....somehow it makes us feel more like they are one of us.

     
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    I was not sad to see A-Gonz to be traded cuz Boston had too many left handed hitters in the line up in the last two years.  Cant have two power hitters batting left handed from the #3 to #4 slots.  That is why Napoli is a perfect guy to bat next to Papi.   If A-Gonz and Papi playing for the yankees, then that is a perfect line up to have for the yankees team cuz of short right field porch. 

    Anyway, I do hope that Napoli is going to resign.  If not, I do not want to throw as many prospects to get a young talent right handed hitter such as Stanton or like him.  Better to play safe by resigining Napoli!

     
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    Gotta say, the #1 reason I was sad to see Adrian go was because, while his solid-but-unspectacular-offense could be replaced, I thought he was the best defensive first baseman I have ever seen in a Sox uni (all respect due to Yooooouuk).  And, i though Napoli would be a complete liability in the field.  But, Napoli has been more than competent.  Perhaps it his experience at catcher, but he is exemplary at digging throws out of the dirt and covering for bad throws in general.  Really pleasantly surprised with his D.

             

    Space, do me a favor look up Nap's stats in the 8th & 9th inning. Then do the same for Gonzales & get back to me I am sure there will be a clear winner


     
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    i was very sad to see A-gon go but we made out pretty well this year. No matter how you look at it A-gon and Napoli have had almost identical production this year (considering both offense and defense) but one is making 13M and the other 20M. So it looks like Naps is in the lead. We also still have to count post season production too.. If A-gon or Napoli become PS heroes for their respective team that would tip the balance 1 way or the other.

    but we still have to play this game next year and the year after that.... I think i would still rather have A-gon slated as my firstbaseman for the next 5 years than the potential merry-go-round we might see. I suppose that's just weighing a known quantity against the unknown though..

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    Gotta say, the #1 reason I was sad to see Adrian go was because, while his solid-but-unspectacular-offense could be replaced, I thought he was the best defensive first baseman I have ever seen in a Sox uni (all respect due to Yooooouuk).  And, i though Napoli would be a complete liability in the field.  But, Napoli has been more than competent.  Perhaps it his experience at catcher, but he is exemplary at digging throws out of the dirt and covering for bad throws in general.  Really pleasantly surprised with his D.

             

    Space, do me a favor look up Nap's stats in the 8th & 9th inning. Then do the same for Gonzales & get back to me I am sure there will be a clear winner


     

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    Since when was Gonzalez ever clutch? Did he believe it was just God's will if he won or lost?

     
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    Dollar for Dollar, Naps has been the better choice....and I liked Agon, but losing him enabled the sox to hit the Reset button and that was priceless. I thought Agon got a bad rap also, but it is also true that Naps fits the Dirt Dog mold that Sox fans prefer better than Agon did......we seem to prefer guys who play like weekend softballers in the neighborhood, than guys who make things look easy....somehow it makes us feel more like they are one of us.



    great line tom

    cano knows exactly what U R saying

    obviously there are exceptions but there's a whole lotta  truth there

     

    must admit napoli played a better 1B than I expected

     

     

     
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    Gotta say, the #1 reason I was sad to see Adrian go was because, while his solid-but-unspectacular-offense could be replaced, I thought he was the best defensive first baseman I have ever seen in a Sox uni (all respect due to Yooooouuk).  And, i though Napoli would be a complete liability in the field.  But, Napoli has been more than competent.  Perhaps it his experience at catcher, but he is exemplary at digging throws out of the dirt and covering for bad throws in general.  Really pleasantly surprised with his D.

             

    Space, do me a favor look up Nap's stats in the 8th & 9th inning. Then do the same for Gonzales & get back to me I am sure there will be a clear winner


     




    Well FWIW, A-Gon is batting well over .300 w/RISP while Napoli is slightly something like .253 w/RISP.

     

     
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    Gotta say, the #1 reason I was sad to see Adrian go was because, while his solid-but-unspectacular-offense could be replaced, I thought he was the best defensive first baseman I have ever seen in a Sox uni (all respect due to Yooooouuk).  And, i though Napoli would be a complete liability in the field.  But, Napoli has been more than competent.  Perhaps it his experience at catcher, but he is exemplary at digging throws out of the dirt and covering for bad throws in general.  Really pleasantly surprised with his D.

             

    Space, do me a favor look up Nap's stats in the 8th & 9th inning. Then do the same for Gonzales & get back to me I am sure there will be a clear winner


     

     




    Well FWIW, A-Gon is batting well over .300 w/RISP while Napoli is slightly something like .253 w/RISP.

     

     

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    yeah, A-gon is money with RISP.

    he had a "down year" in 2012 and still led the league with hitting in RISP and was tops in doubles.. that's what i like about him. In a league of streaky hitters, He is consistnely good-great. He obviously has hot and cold streaks but a graph of his production certainly doesn't look like a roller coaster ride like Napolis does.

     
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    Gotta say, the #1 reason I was sad to see Adrian go was because, while his solid-but-unspectacular-offense could be replaced, I thought he was the best defensive first baseman I have ever seen in a Sox uni (all respect due to Yooooouuk).  And, i though Napoli would be a complete liability in the field.  But, Napoli has been more than competent.  Perhaps it his experience at catcher, but he is exemplary at digging throws out of the dirt and covering for bad throws in general.  Really pleasantly surprised with his D.

             

    Space, do me a favor look up Nap's stats in the 8th & 9th inning. Then do the same for Gonzales & get back to me I am sure there will be a clear winner


     



    When it comes to RISP, late in close, tie game and hitting 7-9, the clear winner is Gonzalez.

    If you look at all the stats, there are some where A-Gon is better and some where Napoli is better.

     
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    Gotta say, the #1 reason I was sad to see Adrian go was because, while his solid-but-unspectacular-offense could be replaced, I thought he was the best defensive first baseman I have ever seen in a Sox uni (all respect due to Yooooouuk).  And, i though Napoli would be a complete liability in the field.  But, Napoli has been more than competent.  Perhaps it his experience at catcher, but he is exemplary at digging throws out of the dirt and covering for bad throws in general.  Really pleasantly surprised with his D.

             

    Space, do me a favor look up Nap's stats in the 8th & 9th inning. Then do the same for Gonzales & get back to me I am sure there will be a clear winner


     

     

     




    Well FWIW, A-Gon is batting well over .300 w/RISP while Napoli is slightly something like .253 w/RISP.

     

     

     



    yeah, A-gon is money with RISP.

     

    he had a "down year" in 2012 and still led the league with hitting in RISP and was tops in doubles.. that's what i like about him. In a league of streaky hitters, He is consistnely good-great. He obviously has hot and cold streaks but a graph of his production certainly doesn't look like a roller coaster ride like Napolis does.



    Even in 2011, his clutch stats were very good. And he batted .318 with 4 HR, 14 RBIs in Sept. Yeah, he probably should have had another clutch hit or two that last month, but so could have Ortiz and the entire lineup.

     
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    Gotta say, the #1 reason I was sad to see Adrian go was because, while his solid-but-unspectacular-offense could be replaced, I thought he was the best defensive first baseman I have ever seen in a Sox uni (all respect due to Yooooouuk).  And, i though Napoli would be a complete liability in the field.  But, Napoli has been more than competent.  Perhaps it his experience at catcher, but he is exemplary at digging throws out of the dirt and covering for bad throws in general.  Really pleasantly surprised with his D.

             

    Space, do me a favor look up Nap's stats in the 8th & 9th inning. Then do the same for Gonzales & get back to me I am sure there will be a clear winner


     

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    No need my friend.  Nowhere in my statement did I claim that these two players were equal.  Merely that I am pleasantly surprised at Nap's defense.  In a vacuum, with no consideration for the bottom line, would I prefer to have Adrian Gonzalez on my team?  Yes, of course.  I love Adrian Gonzalez.  

     
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    Gotta say, the #1 reason I was sad to see Adrian go was because, while his solid-but-unspectacular-offense could be replaced, I thought he was the best defensive first baseman I have ever seen in a Sox uni (all respect due to Yooooouuk).  And, i though Napoli would be a complete liability in the field.  But, Napoli has been more than competent.  Perhaps it his experience at catcher, but he is exemplary at digging throws out of the dirt and covering for bad throws in general.  Really pleasantly surprised with his D.

             

     

    Space, do me a favor look up Nap's stats in the 8th & 9th inning. Then do the same for Gonzales & get back to me I am sure there will be a clear winner


     

     



    No need my friend.  Nowhere in my statement did I claim that these two players were equal.  Merely that I am pleasantly surprised at Nap's defense.  In a vacuum, with no consideration for the bottom line, would I prefer to have Adrian Gonzalez on my team?  Yes, of course.  I love Adrian Gonzalez.  

     



    Agree.

    The purpose of my OP was to point out that the Sox made out pretty well at 1B with Napoli. That was my major concern coming into the season because I expected Gonzalez to have a very good season.

     
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    Gotta say, the #1 reason I was sad to see Adrian go was because, while his solid-but-unspectacular-offense could be replaced, I thought he was the best defensive first baseman I have ever seen in a Sox uni (all respect due to Yooooouuk).  And, i though Napoli would be a complete liability in the field.  But, Napoli has been more than competent.  Perhaps it his experience at catcher, but he is exemplary at digging throws out of the dirt and covering for bad throws in general.  Really pleasantly surprised with his D.

             

     

     

    Space, do me a favor look up Nap's stats in the 8th & 9th inning. Then do the same for Gonzales & get back to me I am sure there will be a clear winner


     

     

     

     

     

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    No need my friend.  Nowhere in my statement did I claim that these two players were equal.  Merely that I am pleasantly surprised at Nap's defense.  In a vacuum, with no consideration for the bottom line, would I prefer to have Adrian Gonzalez on my team?  Yes, of course.  I love Adrian Gonzalez.  

     

     

     

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    I love that A-gone is gone.

     

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    It was God's will.

     
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