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    Napoli's OPS blows Swisher's out of the water.  Swisher is older.  Swisher will definitely get four years.  Even LaRoche , who looked washed up going into last year, and is 33 is going to get 3-4 years.

    If you are not willing to sign Napoli to four years (at 30 yrs old), considering how well he fits (draws walks, Fenways swing, fills a position where wo dont have prospects, good in the clubhouse), you are not going to ever sign an impact free agent again.

    I dont want to become the Pirates.

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    There is a rather substantial grey area between not signing Napoli and becoming the Pirates.

     

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    You have to include the extra year to sign impact free agents. Texas did w/ Beltre, Detroit did w Prince, Angels did w Pujols, Yankees did w Tex. If the Sox are not willing to give Napoli , who just turned 30, four year deal considering he is one of the best hitting first baseman in the league, they are just not serious about acquiring free agents.

    All of the best teams going into 2013 are teams that are serious about signing free agents. Not exclusively free agents, but some. THe perennial contenders of the last half decade are teams that arent afraid to sign free agents. If you are not willing to sign Napoli to four years, you are not operating like Det, NYY, Texas. You are operating like the Padres, Twins, Pirates. Good luck competing w/ the big dogs.

     

     
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    Another stat nugget on Napoli's power in AL East venues:

    Camden Yards 50 AB 2 HR

    Fenway 62 AB 7 HR

    Yankee Stadium 3 24 AB 2 HR

    Tropicana 52 AB 4 HR

    Rogers 50 AB 4 HR

    Total 238 AB 19 HR

    That's one HR per 12.5 AB.  That's huge.  For reference, Manny's career mark was one HR per 14.9 AB.

     
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    A poster in another forum suggested that a side benefit of signing Naploi is that it would increase Salty's trade value by taking another catcher off the market.

     
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    A poster in another forum suggested that a side benefit of signing Naploi is that it would increase Salty's trade value by taking another catcher off the market.

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    The fact that Napoli can catch will be huge , for the three road games in the 2014 world series versus the Nats.  We'll slide him to Catcher and put Ortiz at first.

     
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    drew, you see what im up against daily...signing napoli would make huge sense - but because he wont be, you get all sorts of tortured logic to support Ben's NON SIGNING of him...what is the value of a guy who hits like napoli and can also catch? makes no sense to NOT  sign him ...he half less than his predecesser..even with a bit fat new contract

     
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    http://nesn.com/2012/11/report-mike-napoli-meeting-with-red-sox-this-weekend-in-boston/

     
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    So it's not some elaborate time wasting conspiracy from the Mariners to cost the Red Sox or Rangers some money.

    From columnist Jason Churchill at Prospect Insider: "The Mariners' discussions with Mike Napoli may indeed be about a four-year deal -- something it appears the Red Sox aren't willing to do, at least not yet -- and in the end I cannot see the M's going that deep, either.

    While there is certainly some substance to the report that the two sides will talk or already have, Napoli could be using the M's to get the best deal he can from the Sox, or perhaps a third club.

    The Mariners, on the flip side, could simply be doing their due diligence with Napoli. I don't know how far along the negotiations are, or if there have been any significant exchanges as of Friday night."

    http://prospectinsider.com/view/sizing-up-the-m's-targets/?PHPSESSID=0c16a101286e9ce991ce7ee8fb1fde0c

     
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      So it's not some elaborate time wasting conspiracy from the Mariners to cost the Red Sox or Rangers some money.

    That's a fair statement.

     

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    So it's not some elaborate time wasting conspiracy from the Mariners to cost the Red Sox or Rangers some money.

    From columnist Jason Churchill at Prospect Insider: "The Mariners' discussions with Mike Napoli may indeed be about a four-year deal -- something it appears the Red Sox aren't willing to do, at least not yet -- and in the end I cannot see the M's going that deep, either.

    While there is certainly some substance to the report that the two sides will talk or already have, Napoli could be using the M's to get the best deal he can from the Sox, or perhaps a third club.

    The Mariners, on the flip side, could simply be doing their due diligence with Napoli. I don't know how far along the negotiations are, or if there have been any significant exchanges as of Friday night."

    http://prospectinsider.com/view/sizing-up-the-m's-targets/?PHPSESSID=0c16a101286e9ce991ce7ee8fb1fde0c

       Jason Churchill "may indeed", "it appears", "I cannot see","will talk or already have". "could be". "or perhaps", "could simply","I don't know","or if there have been any".  WEAK.  Seattle hack blathering standardized jibberish and saying nothing.

      I see you are going back to cling to your flimsy troll fantasy.    If the Red Sox sign Napoli you want to set yourself up for something to troll about. That's what trolls do.

     
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    A poster in another forum suggested that a side benefit of signing Naploi is that it would increase Salty's trade value by taking another catcher off the market.

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    I would think it would take any advantage away since teams will now view them as HAVING to get rid of one of their catchers...

     
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    A poster in another forum suggested that a side benefit of signing Naploi is that it would increase Salty's trade value by taking another catcher off the market.

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    I would think it would take any advantage away since teams will now view them as HAVING to get rid of one of their catchers...

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            That is the case already w/o Napoli on board.

            Don't think we need another catcher that batted 224.

     
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    Napoli's OPS blows Swisher's out of the water.  Swisher is older.  Swisher will definitely get four years.  Even LaRoche , who looked washed up going into last year, and is 33 is going to get 3-4 years.

    If you are not willing to sign Napoli to four years (at 30 yrs old), considering how well he fits (draws walks, Fenways swing, fills a position where wo dont have prospects, good in the clubhouse), you are not going to ever sign an impact free agent again.

    I dont want to become the Pirates.

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    There is a rather substantial grey area between not signing Napoli and becoming the Pirates.

     

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    You have to include the extra year to sign impact free agents. Texas did w/ Beltre, Detroit did w Prince, Angels did w Pujols, Yankees did w Tex. If the Sox are not willing to give Napoli , who just turned 30, four year deal considering he is one of the best hitting first baseman in the league, they are just not serious about acquiring free agents.

    All of the best teams going into 2013 are teams that are serious about signing free agents. Not exclusively free agents, but some. THe perennial contenders of the last half decade are teams that arent afraid to sign free agents. If you are not willing to sign Napoli to four years, you are not operating like Det, NYY, Texas. You are operating like the Padres, Twins, Pirates. Good luck competing w/ the big dogs.

     

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    You left the Cardinals and the Braves off this list...

     
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    A poster in another forum suggested that a side benefit of signing Naploi is that it would increase Salty's trade value by taking another catcher off the market.

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    I would think it would take any advantage away since teams will now view them as HAVING to get rid of one of their catchers...

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    THey would not HAVE to trade a catcher.  There is no rule governing the number of catchers allowed on a roster.

     

    Saltalamachia's trade value is linked solely to how much Team X wants to acquire him, and his anemic OBP will be of greater significance than his position on the depth chart.   If Team X wants him badly enough, they will pay more.  However, the biggest appeal of Saltalamacchia ia hi a availability.

     

    I would like to see the Sox sign Napoli, move him to catcher, deal Saltalamacchia, and hold Lavarnway (at AAA, I guess).  WE shall see if it happens, or if they view Napoli as a 1B...

     
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    Mike Napoli - C - Rangers

    Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and Sirius XM reports that Mike Napoli is holding out for a four-year deal from the Red Sox.

    If Napoli can't get it from Boston, he's going to look for alternatives. With that in mind, Bowden hears that Napoli will meet with the Mariners, who may be willing to give a fourth year. The 31-year-old is coming off a down year, but has plenty of pop and could be used at catcher, first base or DH.

    [/QUOTE] Great ! Just what we need ,a guy who bats 200 but he has power... just f....n great


     
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    Mike Napoli - C - Rangers

    Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and Sirius XM reports that Mike Napoli is holding out for a four-year deal from the Red Sox.

    If Napoli can't get it from Boston, he's going to look for alternatives. With that in mind, Bowden hears that Napoli will meet with the Mariners, who may be willing to give a fourth year. The 31-year-old is coming off a down year, but has plenty of pop and could be used at catcher, first base or DH.

    [/QUOTE] Great ! Just what we need ,a guy who bats 200 but he has power... just f....n great


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    Don't be silly.  He has a lot of power, he draws a lot of walks and he has a career .259 batting average.  And has been pointed out numerous times, he has a carrer batting average of .306 at Fenway with a monster slugging pct. of .710.

     
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    Mike Napoli - C - Rangers

    Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and Sirius XM reports that Mike Napoli is holding out for a four-year deal from the Red Sox.

    If Napoli can't get it from Boston, he's going to look for alternatives. With that in mind, Bowden hears that Napoli will meet with the Mariners, who may be willing to give a fourth year. The 31-year-old is coming off a down year, but has plenty of pop and could be used at catcher, first base or DH.

    [/QUOTE] Great ! Just what we need ,a guy who bats 200 but he has power... just f....n great


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    Since his career average is .259, why wouldn't you call him a .300 hitter, using your rounding logic?

     
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    Mike Napoli - C - Rangers

    Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and Sirius XM reports that Mike Napoli is holding out for a four-year deal from the Red Sox.

    If Napoli can't get it from Boston, he's going to look for alternatives. With that in mind, Bowden hears that Napoli will meet with the Mariners, who may be willing to give a fourth year. The 31-year-old is coming off a down year, but has plenty of pop and could be used at catcher, first base or DH.

    [/QUOTE] Great ! Just what we need ,a guy who bats 200 but he has power... just f....n great


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    Don't be silly.  He has a lot of power, he draws a lot of walks and he has a career .259 batting average.  And has been pointed out numerous times, he has a carrer batting average of .306 at Fenway with a monster slugging pct. of .710.

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    Poossibly an overstatement, as those number are all against Sox pitching and over numerous years.  But I think he will be fine, just not at his previous level...

     
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    @Jen_Royle: The Red Sox would likely have to go to four years to land Napoli... One source tells me they may be willing to go to five. #Boston

    Wow, they are desparate for him.

     
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    Instead of possibly giving Napoli a 4-year-deal, why not sign Berkman on a one-year-deal to play 1B? 

    Berkman has a high OBP and he did quite well for the Cardinals in 2011 (although he was injured in 2012).

    Berkman reminds me of Frank Thomas in 2006 (or even Beltre in 2010 with the Red Sox) when he had a bounce-back year. 

     
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    Mike Napoli - C - Rangers

    Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and Sirius XM reports that Mike Napoli is holding out for a four-year deal from the Red Sox.

    If Napoli can't get it from Boston, he's going to look for alternatives. With that in mind, Bowden hears that Napoli will meet with the Mariners, who may be willing to give a fourth year. The 31-year-old is coming off a down year, but has plenty of pop and could be used at catcher, first base or DH.

    [/QUOTE] Great ! Just what we need ,a guy who bats 200 but he has power... just f....n great


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    Don't be silly.  He has a lot of power, he draws a lot of walks and he has a career .259 batting average.  And has been pointed out numerous times, he has a carrer batting average of .306 at Fenway with a monster slugging pct. of .710.

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    Poossibly an overstatement, as those number are all against Sox pitching and over numerous years.  But I think he will be fine, just not at his previous level...

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    Now that Napoli is in Boston today with the possibilty to sign a 4 year deal can be an advantage:

    (1) Kill 2 birds with one stone theory Napoli can play 1B and catching duties as the number three catcher.

    (2) Salty can now be traded put him in a good package to snag Justin Upton. Why Upton he can score runs and is still young along with Ellsbury can have the abilty to score over 200 runs combine

    (3) After 2 years when papi's contract expires Napoli can take over the DH position and hopefully by this time Lavarnway or a surprise prospect could be out future starting catcher

    (4) Our Catching depth will be very strong Ross Lavarnway and Napoli

    Napoli can solve some problems in Red Sox nation and even better so can J. Upton. The Depth Chart will be above avg. with developement at the same time

    LF Gomes Nava and Kalish

    CF Ells Sweeney

    RF Upton Kalish and Sands

    3B Middlebrooks and Ceriaco

    SS Isglesias and BC can go and sign a vet mid infielder who is willing to play back up role and pinch hitting

    2B Ped and Ceriaco

    1B Napoli and sign Berkman to a one year deal cause he is willing to play back up and Sands can also be ready to step into 1st base duties if needed

    C Ross Lavarnway and Napoli

    The Sox will have a above avg. batting line up to start:

    Ells Ped Upton Napoli Papi Middlebrooks Gomes Ross and Isglesias

    The pitching staff will need to be look at by the coaching staff to figure out what the needs are.

     
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    Mike Napoli Meets With Red Sox By Edward Creech [November 25 at 4:20pm CST]

    Mike Napoli met with Red Sox management and ownership this weekend, according to Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe and Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald (Twitter links). Silverman added the meeting took place yesterday and the Red Sox contingent included owner John Henry, manager John Farrell, and GM Ben Cherington.


    Read more at http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/#qdSbDplrBkHcpWmq.99
     
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    Mike Napoli - C - Rangers

    Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and Sirius XM reports that Mike Napoli is holding out for a four-year deal from the Red Sox.

    If Napoli can't get it from Boston, he's going to look for alternatives. With that in mind, Bowden hears that Napoli will meet with the Mariners, who may be willing to give a fourth year. The 31-year-old is coming off a down year, but has plenty of pop and could be used at catcher, first base or DH.

    [/QUOTE] Great ! Just what we need ,a guy who bats 200 but he has power... just f....n great


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    Since his career average is .259, why wouldn't you call him a .300 hitter, using your rounding logic?

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    better yet Notin, you can base someone's pitching value in their 9 seasons of excellece (cy young pitcher) on 2 starts in the postseason...sound familiar?

     

     
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    NOTICIAS PARIRROJAS: #RedSox cerca de firmar a Mike Napoli, después de reunirse con el pelotero este fin de semana. #MLB #RedSoxNation

    TRANSLATION:

    PARIRROJAS NEWS: # RedSox close to signing Mike Napoli, after meeting with the player this weekend. # MLB # RedSoxNation

    Don't know what "parirrojas" means, but this tweet comes from a trusted Spanish Sox analyst, Marino Pepen. If true, that was quick.

     
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    Mike Napoli - C - Rangers

    Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and Sirius XM reports that Mike Napoli is holding out for a four-year deal from the Red Sox.

    If Napoli can't get it from Boston, he's going to look for alternatives. With that in mind, Bowden hears that Napoli will meet with the Mariners, who may be willing to give a fourth year. The 31-year-old is coming off a down year, but has plenty of pop and could be used at catcher, first base or DH.

    [/QUOTE] Great ! Just what we need ,a guy who bats 200 but he has power... just f....n great


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    Since his career average is .259, why wouldn't you call him a .300 hitter, using your rounding logic?

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    better yet Notin, you can base someone's pitching value in their 9 seasons of excellece (cy young pitcher) on 2 starts in the postseason...sound familiar?

     

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    Yes it does sound familiar.  THat was part of JoeBreidey's analysis of Greinke, found on page 2 of the "Mike Napoli and FOUR YEARS" thread.   Is there a reason you are pointing this out to me and not, say, JoeBreidey? 

     

    Or is it because I supported using statistical analysis, and therefore all of that voodoo is the same to you?   Any one stats is as bad as any other stat, and if you like one.  Right?   It would not be the first time you have shown disdain for numbers and stated you wanted done everything on gut feeling.

     

    And there is nothing wrong with gut feelings, beyond the actual answers you get about half the time, if you are lucky enough.  The real issue here is your narrow-minded contempt for anyone who does not think like you.  "ROM NO LIKE STATS! ROM WANT BASH STAT PEOPLE!! ROM LIKE AWARDS!! GET ROM AWARDS!! AND FEED ROM SOUP!!!"

     

    OK, maybe that isn't the most accurate interpretation.  Heck, I do not even know if you like soup.

     

    By the way, have you ever compared the careers of Greinke and Lester?  Would you pay Lester $110-120mill?

     
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    Seattle Times columnist Geoff Baker examines the Mariners' pursuit of Mike Napoli:

    http://seattletimes.com/html/marinersblog/2019768196_dont_be_surprised_by_mariners.html

    Napoli probably is a better fit in Boston or in Texas.

     
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    Mike Napoli - C - Rangers

    Jim Bowden of ESPN.com and Sirius XM reports that Mike Napoli is holding out for a four-year deal from the Red Sox.

    If Napoli can't get it from Boston, he's going to look for alternatives. With that in mind, Bowden hears that Napoli will meet with the Mariners, who may be willing to give a fourth year. The 31-year-old is coming off a down year, but has plenty of pop and could be used at catcher, first base or DH.

    [/QUOTE] Great ! Just what we need ,a guy who bats 200 but he has power... just f....n great


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    Since his career average is .259, why wouldn't you call him a .300 hitter, using your rounding logic?

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    better yet Notin, you can base someone's pitching value in their 9 seasons of excellece (cy young pitcher) on 2 starts in the postseason...sound familiar?

     

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    It is an inappropriate comparison, since one is a rounding technique and one a sample size issue, though both are mathematical in nature.

    But I would agree with SSS, and find it hard to believe that Notin would make that his sole criteria.  He's too smart for that.

     

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