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In response to moonslav59's comment:
11 Ks tonight, and none by Napoli.
Ks are all that count, or so I have been hearing.
Let's hope he keeps going 1 for 5 with no Ks the rest of the year.
It sure beats 2 for 5 with 3 Ks.
You are missing the point with the strikeouts. Certainly , a strikeout is no worse than a pop up , etc. But the thing is , when you strikeout you have no chance. If you are going to get a base hit, you first have to put the ball in play. Napoli grounded out in the tenth, but the ball could just as easily been in the hole for a hit. As long as you put the ball in play , you have a chance.
No, it is you who is "missing the point". I fully understand that if you don't put the ball into play, you lessen the chance to get a hit or make something "good" happen. It is condescending to think that anyone who disagrees with your positon just "doesn't understand".
It's about getting on base and extra base hits, and how you make an out is near meaningless.
It's about how often you make outs, not how you make the outs.
I honestly can say that as long as Napoli gets on base at about a .350 clip and hits some dingers and doubles along the way, I wouldn't care one bit if he doubled the strikeout record and K'd 65% of the time. If he gets a hit 25% of the time and walks 10% of the time, he's putting the ball in play enough for me. I realize this will never happen- a 1.000 BAbip and a 65% K rate, but it should help drive my point home- a point I'm not sure you understand.
I'm OK with not being in agreement. I realize that the more times you hit the ball, the better chance you probably have of getting a hit. I realize the high K rate is a big reason for keeping Napoli's BA down, but he does walk a lot, takes more pitches than anyone in MLB, drives opponent's starters to the bench earlier, and gets some extra base hits along the way. He is now 3rd on the team in SLG%. Yeah, it's still about 60 points lower than his career number. He has not met most of our expectations, but he's not that far off from numbers he put up in 3-4 other seasons. His overall season is below his career norm, but Napoli has rarely had a "norm year". He's been streaky and inconsistent his whole career. We knew that when we signed him. It doesn't make it better knowing it beforehand, but when you get a streaky hitter, you probably have to bear with the down times a little longer than you might with more steady players in hopes that the hot streak is just around the corner.
Looking at Napoli's career is to look at a rollercoaster both within each season and between seasons. His career OPS is about .850, but he has only been within 30 points of .850 in 1 time 8 seasons (.842 in 2009). He's been below .800 three times and above .960 two times. It's been below .815 five times. He's at .781 now. He's one 4 for 4 night away from passing his two worst OPS seasons and maybe one hot week away from passing two more. I'm not saying he will or won't. Honestly, I have no clue what Napoli will do going forward, but I choose to look at his past and think he will get hot before this year is done... that is, if he plays enough to get a chance.
If you strike out, you don't "lessen " the chance of a hit, you eliminate it. You say you would be satisfied with something , then say that you know it will never happen. What good is that ?
You really don't get my point? seriously?
My point is Napoli could strike out teice as much as he does now, but as long as he keeps up a .345 OBP and his fair share of XBHs, I'm fine with it.t stop him from being one of the team's best L
My comment that I know it won't happen should not stop anyone for getting my point.
The fact that Napoli Ks more than anyone in MLB did not stop Napoli from being one of the Sox leading LD% hitters. How can you explain that? Your reasoning is exposed. Striking a lot instead of grounding out or flying out a lot does not keep some hitters from getting on base more than others or hitting the ball harder more often than others who K less. How hard of a concept is that?
You talk about extra base hits and home runs, but how many of these are going to happen if you don't consistently put the ball in play?
I don't know: why not ask Adam Dunn?
Again, I get the concept that if you put the ball in play more often, you are likely to have a better BA than someone who does not, but it is not a given. Plus, your theory ignores BBs and OBP. Adam Dunn would have been out of baseball long ago had he not walked so much.
Napoli's .245 BA is better than many hitters who have a K rate much less than Napoli's. His career .257 BA is pretty decent when coupled with his .353 career OBP. The .496 SLG% has made hi a plus on offense.
This year, his SLG% is 60 points lower than his career. His OBP is nearly 20 points lower. On June 5th of 2013, he was nearly at his career norms. As late as July 25th, his OBP was about at his career norm. A 3 week slump has caused you to toally give up on Napoli. It's your M.O.
It is not a question of a strikeout vs. a " productive" out. It is a question of having no chance of any kind of a hit. In trying to support Napoli, you are dismissing the utter futility of the strikeouts.
No, I am not. I am saying I don't care if someone Ks up to 65% of the time as long as he gets on base 35%+ of the time. You are dismissing OBP and assuming a high K rate necessitates a low OBP. It may for most hitters, but not all.
You obviously do not get this fact. Or care.
Most of the good things that he has accomplished have come when he was not striking out at his recent pace. If he is going to help this team, he is going to have to make more contact than he has been doing. If you can't accept that, then you are just not being objective.
No, he can help the team by walking 2 times a game or going 1 for 4 with a walk... with 3 ks. Not seeing this as beneficial is not being objective.
Napoli is a strong hitter , who hits the ball hard when he makes contact. But he has to make contact more than he has been doing. Simple as that. You cannot minimize the uselessness of a strikeout. The first object of a batter has to be to hit the ball.
Where have I ever said I'm happy with Napoli's last 3 weeks? When have I ever said he does not have to hit the ball more often? Yes, he needs to hit the ball more than he has over the last 3-4 weeks.
However, I'm fine with the amount of balls he hit plus the amount of walks he got in the previous 3 and a half months. I wish he had more HRs, but he does have a lot of Dbls. I wish he hit the ball more, but I don't need him to, as long as he gets on base over 35% of the time and has a SLG% at about .450.
You never respond to any of my questions. Please try to answer this one, or I'm done talking to you.
If Napoli eneded the season with these 6 weeks numbers, would you claim he is a negative or a positive?
100 PAs .250 6 Hrs 17 RBIs .350 OBP .450 SLG and 40 Ks
One simple question. 2 simple answers: positive or negative input.