Newest Free Agent List By Position

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    Newest Free Agent List By Position

    At the risk of having a longer post than Moon's, here's the latest free agent list by position. Enjoy:

    Catchers

    Rod Barajas (37) - $3.5MM club option, no buyout
    Henry Blanco (41) - $1.24MM mutual option
    Chris Iannetta (30) - $5MM club option with a $250K buyout; player can void
    Gerald Laird (33)
    Russell Martin (30)
    Brian McCann (29) - $12MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Jose Molina (37) - $1.5MM club option with a $300K buyout
    Mike Napoli (31)
    Dioner Navarro (29)
    Wil Nieves (35)
    Miguel Olivo (34) - $3MM club option with a $750K buyout
    Ronny Paulino (32)
    A.J. Pierzynski (36)
    Humberto Quintero (33)
    David Ross (36)
    Carlos Ruiz (34) - $5MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Brian Schneider (36)
    Kelly Shoppach (33)
    Chris Snyder (32) - mutual option
    Yorvit Torrealba (34)
    Matt Treanor (37)

    First basemen
    Lance Berkman (36)
    Russell Branyan (37)
    Jason Giambi (42)
    Brad Hawpe (34)
    Eric Hinske (35)
    Aubrey Huff (36) - $10MM club option with a $2MM buyout
    Casey Kotchman (30)
    Adam LaRoche (33) - $10MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
    Carlos Lee (37)
    James Loney (29)
    Xavier Nady (34)
    Mike Napoli (31)
    Lyle Overbay (36)
    Carlos Pena (35)
    Ty Wigginton (35) - $4MM club option with a $500K buyout

    Second basemen
    Jeff Baker (32)
    Robinson Cano (30) - $15MM club option with a $2MM buyout
    Mike Fontenot (33)
    Orlando Hudson (35) - $8MM club option with a $2MM buyout
    Maicer Izturis (32)
    Kelly Johnson (31)
    Adam Kennedy (37)
    Jeff Keppinger (33)
    Jose Lopez (29)
    Aaron Miles (36)
    Freddy Sanchez (35)
    Ryan Theriot (33)

    Shortstops
    Jason Bartlett (33)
    Yuniesky Betancourt (31)
    Geoff Blum (39)
    Ronny Cedeno (30)
    Stephen Drew (30) - $10MM mutual option with a $1.35MM buyout
    Alex Gonzalez (35) - vesting option
    Cesar Izturis (33)
    Jhonny Peralta (31) - $6MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Marco Scutaro (37)
    Miguel Tejada (39)
    Ryan Theriot (33)
    Omar Vizquel (46)
    Jack Wilson (35)

    Third basemen
    Geoff Blum (39)
    Miguel Cairo (39)
    Eric Chavez (35)
    Mark DeRosa (38)
    Brandon Inge (36)
    Maicer Izturis (32)
    Jose Lopez (29)
    Placido Polanco (37) - $5.5MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
    Mark Reynolds (29) - $11MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Scott Rolen (38)
    Mark Teahen (31)
    Miguel Tejada (39)
    Ty Wigginton (35) - $4MM club option with a $500K buyout
    David Wright (30) - $16MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Kevin Youkilis (34) - $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout

    Left fielders
    Jay Gibbons (36)
    Jonny Gomes (32)
    Scott Hairston (33)
    Josh Hamilton (32)
    Willie Harris (35)
    Brad Hawpe (34)
    Eric Hinske (35)
    Conor Jackson (31)
    Reed Johnson (36)
    Andruw Jones (36)
    Austin Kearns (33)
    Carlos Lee (37)
    Fred Lewis (32)
    Ryan Ludwick (34) - mutual option for 2013
    Juan Pierre (35)
    Juan Rivera (34) - $4MM club option for 2013 with a $500K buyout
    Delmon Young (27)

    Center fielders
    Alfredo Amezaga (35)
    Rick Ankiel (33)
    Michael Bourn (30)
    Melky Cabrera (28)
    Mike Cameron (40)
    Curtis Granderson (32) - $13MM club option with a $2MM buyout
    Scott Hairston (33)
    Angel Pagan (31)
    Corey Patterson (33)
    Cody Ross (32)
    Grady Sizemore (30)
    Ryan Spilborghs (33)
    B.J. Upton (28)
    Shane Victorino (32)

    Right fielders
    Lance Berkman (36)
    Matt Diaz (35)
    Kosuke Fukudome (36) - $3.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Willie Harris (35)
    Torii Hunter (37)
    Andruw Jones (36)
    Ryan Ludwick (34) - mutual option for 2013
    Xavier Nady (34)
    Juan Rivera (34) - $4MM club option for 2013 with a $500K buyout
    Cody Ross (32)
    Ryan Spilborghs (33)
    Ichiro Suzuki (39)
    Nick Swisher (32)

    Designated hitters
    Bobby Abreu (39)
    Johnny Damon (39)
    Vladimir Guerrero (38)
    Travis Hafner (36) - $13MM club option with a $2.75MM buyout
    Raul Ibanez (41)
    Hideki Matsui (39)
    David Ortiz (38)
    Luke Scott (35) - $6MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Jim Thome (42)

    Starting pitchers
    Scott Baker (31) - $9.25MM club option
    Erik Bedard (34)
    Joe Blanton (32)
    Bartolo Colon (40)
    Aaron Cook (34)
    Kevin Correia (32)
    Doug Davis (37)
    Jorge De La Rosa (32) - $11MM player option with a $1MM buyout
    Ryan Dempster (36)
    R.A. Dickey (38) - $5MM club option with a $300K buyout
    Zach Duke (30)
    Scott Feldman (29) - $9.25MM club option with a $600K buyout
    Jeff Francis (32)
    Gavin Floyd (30) - $9.5MM club option
    Freddy Garcia (37)
    Zack Greinke (28)
    Jeremy Guthrie (34)
    Rich Harden (31)
    Dan Haren (32) - $15.5MM club option with a $3.5MM buyout
    Livan Hernandez (38)
    Roberto Hernandez (32) - $9MM club option
    Tim Hudson (37) - $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Edwin Jackson (29)
    Hiroki Kuroda (38)
    Colby Lewis (33)
    Francisco Liriano (29)
    Kyle Lohse (34)
    Rodrigo Lopez (37)
    Derek Lowe (40)
    Paul Maholm (31) - $6.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Shaun Marcum (31)
    Jason Marquis (34)
    Daisuke Matsuzaka (32)
    Brandon McCarthy (29)
    Kevin Millwood (38)
    Jamie Moyer (50)
    Brett Myers (32) - $10MM vesting option with a $3MM buyout
    Ramon Ortiz (40)
    Roy Oswalt (35)
    Carl Pavano (37)
    Jake Peavy (31) - $22MM club option with a $4MM buyout
    Brad Penny (35)
    Joel Pineiro (34)
    Anibal Sanchez (29)
    Jonathan Sanchez (30)
    Ervin Santana (30) - $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Joe Saunders (32)
    James Shields (31) - $9MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
    Chien-Ming Wang (33)
    Kip Wells (36)
    Randy Wolf (36)
    Chris Young (34)
    Carlos Zambrano (32)

    Closers
    Jonathan Broxton (29)
    Matt Capps (29) - $6MM club option with a $250K buyout
    Francisco Cordero (38)
    Kyle Farnsworth (37)
    Brandon League (30)
    Ryan Madson (32) - $11MM mutual option with a $2.5MM buyout
    Juan Carlos Oviedo (29)
    J.J. Putz (36) - $6.5MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
    Mariano Rivera (43)
    Francisco Rodriguez (31)
    Joakim Soria (29) - $8MM club option with a $750K buyout
    Jose Valverde (35)

    Right-handed relievers
    David Aardsma (31) - $500K club option
    Jeremy Accardo (31)
    Mike Adams (34)
    Luis Ayala (35)
    Grant Balfour (35) - $4.5MM club option with a $350K buyout
    Miguel Batista (42)
    Dave Bush (33)
    Shawn Camp (37)
    Todd Coffey (32) - club option
    Jose Contreras (41) - $2.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Juan Cruz (34)
    Octavio Dotel (39) - $3.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Chad Durbin (35)
    Nelson Figueroa (39)
    Jason Frasor (35)
    Kevin Gregg (35) - $6MM club/vesting option
    Jason Grilli (36)
    LaTroy Hawkins (38)
    Aaron Heilman (34)
    Clay Hensley (33)
    Ryota Igarashi (34)
    Bobby Jenks (32)
    Brad Lidge (36)
    Matt Lindstrom (33) - $4MM club option with a $200K buyout
    Mark Lowe (30)
    Brandon Lyon (33)
    Mike MacDougal (36) - club option
    Dustin McGowan (28)
    Guillermo Mota (39)
    Peter Moylan (34)
    Micah Owings (30)
    Vicente Padilla (35)
    Joel Peralta (37)
    Chad Qualls (34)
    Ramon Ramirez (31)
    Jon Rauch (34)
    Chris Ray (31)
    Fernando Rodney (36)
    Takashi Saito (43)
    Rafael Soriano (33) - $14MM player option or a $1.5MM buyout
    Yoshinori Tateyama (37)
    Robinson Tejeda (31)
    Carlos Villanueva (29)
    Dan Wheeler (35)
    Kerry Wood (36) - $3MM option
    Jamey Wright (38)
    Michael Wuertz (34)

    Left-handed relievers
    Jeremy Affeldt (34)
    Sean Burnett (30) - $3.5MM mutual option with a $250K buyout
    Tim Byrdak (39)
    Randy Choate (37)
    Pedro Feliciano (35) - $4.5MM club option
    Brian Fuentes (37) - $6.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Mike Gonzalez (35)
    J.P. Howell (28)
    Hong-Chih Kuo (31)
    Will Ohman (35)
    Darren Oliver (42) - $3MM club option with a $500K buyout
    J.C. Romero (37)
    Hisanori Takahashi (38)
    Dontrelle Willis (31)

    Cot's Baseball Contracts was used in the creation of this list.



     
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    Re: Newest Free Agent List By Position

    Thanks for posting that. I didn't know Thome was a free agent. He'd be an interesting guy to pick up on a one year deal.
     
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    Thanks for posting that. I didn't know Thome was a free agent. He'd be an interesting guy to pick up on a one year deal.
    Posted by carnie


    I think Thome's day is gone, but your larger point is dead right:  there are always good value options out there for a team with a few key players to build around.

    Let's hope/assume that Ells has another career year in CF in 2013....not unlikely at all IMO.  If we add a resigned Ross, Sweeney and another pair of decent mid-priced OFs that's a good OF i.e. MVP-ish CF, slugging RH with 25 HRs, great fielding platoon singles guy and a complimentary pair to share PT.  And that's assuming no reinvestment of Ben's $60m in the OF.

     
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    Re: Newest Free Agent List By Position

    Nice list.

    I minimized it to only players we might be able to use:

    Catchers

    Chris Iannetta (30) - $5MM club option with a $250K buyout; player can void
    Brian McCann (29) - $12MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Mike Napoli (31)
    A.J. Pierzynski (36)
    Carlos Ruiz (34) - $5MM club option with a $500K buyout

    First basemen

    Lance Berkman (36)
    Russell Branyan (37)
    Adam LaRoche (33) - $10MM mutual option with a $1MM buyout
    Carlos Lee (37)
    Mike Napoli (31)
    Carlos Pena (35)
    Ty Wigginton (35) - $4MM club option with a $500K buyout

    Second basemen
    Robinson Cano (30) - $15MM club option with a $2MM buyout
    Jeff Keppinger (33)

    Shortstops

    Jason Bartlett (33)
    Stephen Drew (30) - $10MM mutual option with a $1.35MM buyout
    Alex Gonzalez (35) - vesting option
    Jhonny Peralta (31) - $6MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Jack Wilson (35)

    Third basemen

    Ty Wigginton (35) - $4MM club option with a $500K buyout
    David Wright (30) - $16MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Kevin Youkilis (34) - $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout (1B)

    Left fielders

    Scott Hairston (33)
    Josh Hamilton (32)
    Andruw Jones (36)
    Austin Kearns (33)
    Ryan Ludwick (34) - mutual option for 2013

    Center fielders


    Michael Bourn (30)
    Melky Cabrera (28)
    Curtis Granderson (32) - $13MM club option with a $2MM buyout
    Scott Hairston (33)
    Cody Ross (32)
    Grady Sizemore (30)
    Ryan Spilborghs (33)
    B.J. Upton (28)
    Shane Victorino (32)

    Right fielders
    Lance Berkman (36)
    Torii Hunter (37)
    Andruw Jones (36)
    Ryan Ludwick (34) - mutual option for 2013
    Cody Ross (32)
    Ryan Spilborghs (33)
    Ichiro Suzuki (39)
    Nick Swisher (32)

    Designated hitters
    Bobby Abreu (39)
    Vladimir Guerrero (38)
    Travis Hafner (36) - $13MM club option with a $2.75MM buyout
    Raul Ibanez (41)
    David Ortiz (38)
    Luke Scott (35) - $6MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Jim Thome (42)

    Starting pitchers
    Erik Bedard (34)
    Jorge De La Rosa (32) - $11MM player option with a $1MM buyout
    Ryan Dempster (36)
    R.A. Dickey (38) - $5MM club option with a $300K buyout
    Gavin Floyd (30) - $9.5MM club option
    Freddy Garcia (37)
    Zack Greinke (28)
    Jeremy Guthrie (34)
    Rich Harden (31)
    Dan Haren (32) - $15.5MM club option with a $3.5MM buyout
    Livan Hernandez (38)
    Roberto Hernandez (32) - $9MM club option
    Tim Hudson (37) - $9MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Edwin Jackson (29)
    Hiroki Kuroda (38)
    Colby Lewis (33)
    Francisco Liriano (29) 
    Kyle Lohse (34)
    Derek Lowe (40)
    Paul Maholm (31) - $6.5MM club option with a $500K buyout
    Shaun Marcum (31)
    Brandon McCarthy (29)
    Brett Myers (32) - $10MM vesting option with a $3MM buyout
    Roy Oswalt (35)
    Carl Pavano (37)
    Jake Peavy (31) - $22MM club option with a $4MM buyout
    Anibal Sanchez (29)
    Jonathan Sanchez (30) 
    Ervin Santana (30) - $13MM club option with a $1MM buyout
    Joe Saunders (32)
    James Shields (31) - $9MM club option with a $1.5MM buyout
    Chien-Ming Wang (33)

    Closers

    Mariano Rivera (43)

    Right-handed relievers


    Vicente Padilla (35)
    Joel Peralta (37)
    Fernando Rodney (36)
    Rafael Soriano (33) - $14MM player option or a $1.5MM buyout

     

     
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    Re: Newest Free Agent List By Position

    Nothing jumps out at you as someone you really-really want. I would make offers to Napoli and Swisher
     
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    Other than Hamilton, Bourne, Granderson and Young, just stopgaps in OF.
    For 1st base, I still like the idea of Justin Morneau, who's not a free agent, but might be a salary dump by the Twins. Still in his prime after post concussion syndrome.
    I always liked Adam Laroche. Good two way player.
    Chris Ianetta is a good defensive catcher, who's a local guy. Has some power.
    Still think trades are the best way to get things done.
     
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    Other than Hamilton, Bourne, Granderson and Young, just stopgaps in OF. For 1st base, I still like the idea of Justin Morneau, who's not a free agent, but might be a salary dump by the Twins. Still in his prime after post concussion syndrome. I always liked Adam Laroche. Good two way player. Chris Ianetta is a good defensive catcher, who's a local guy. Has some power. Still think trades are the best way to get things done.
    Posted by rightymclefty

    Agree, and now that we have budget flex, we can take on other team's big salaries so as to allow us not to have to give up top prospects to get them.

     
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    Anybody notice the almost total absence of anyone under 30 years of age? 
     
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    That's why 2 year deals are the way to go.
     
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    Plus, it cuts down on the years you have to pay that player gotten in a trade.
    Assuming the player has been under his conbtract for a couple of years.
    It's all about spending wisely, with a view towards a good fit, rather than the highest profile player.
     
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    Anybody notice the almost total absence of anyone under 30 years of age? 
    Posted by traven


    I did notice that...I also noticed that other than 3 or 4 of these FA  most would not make much of a difference...
     
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    Other than Hamilton, Bourne, Granderson and Young, just stopgaps in OF. For 1st base, I still like the idea of Justin Morneau, who's not a free agent, but might be a salary dump by the Twins. Still in his prime after post concussion syndrome. I always liked Adam Laroche. Good two way player. Chris Ianetta is a good defensive catcher, who's a local guy. Has some power. Still think trades are the best way to get things done.
    Posted by rightymclefty


    Tend to agree about trades but the Sox have little or nothing to trade....
     
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    In Response to Re: Newest Free Agent List By Position : Tend to agree about trades but the Sox have little or nothing to trade....
    Posted by CA_Sox


    The Sox now have one of the deeper Farm Systems in baseball, or at least plenty of prospects that have significant trade value.  I'm guessing you don't know much about the Sox Minor League System, which is fine, but why would you make a silly statement like "the Sox have little or nothing to trade?"
     
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    Be okay with Napoli and either Swisher or Ross.
    Same with Brandon McCarthy, Jackson or Marcum if price under $ 12 million / year and 4 year max. length.

    Ortiz 2 years / $ 22 million ? Ross 3 yrs / $ 21 mil ? Napoli or Swisher @ 1b , again $10-12 mil / year ?

    Really more excited about rotation of Buchholz / Doubront / Morales / Lackey / Lester / DeLa Rosa right now. Assuming Lester isn't traded also.
     
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    I could really relate to Jaime Moyer....lol  we are almost the same age....I could give the RS a few innings late in blowouts....

    I also noticed the lack of young...er  players.  Maybe we will be suprised with some of our call ups and won't have as many holes to fill as we all think.
     
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    Nothing jumps out at you as someone you really-really want. I would make offers to Napoli and Swisher
    Posted by Leftfielder61


    Bingo to that...and let papi walk and Ross can DH/platoon
     
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    get napoli to play 1B get victorino to play LF and get the best starting pitchers we can...
     
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    Anybody notice the almost total absence of anyone under 30 years of age? 
    Posted by traven

    And, if Papi walks these are our highest paid players:

    Lackey ~$33M/3 (counting the injury clause year)
    Pedey     $31M/3 (counting option year)
    Lester  ~$25M/2 (counting option year)
    Buch    ~$52M/5 (counting 2 option years)
    Iggy     ~$2M/1

    All the rest are arb players!
    Ellsbury
    Bailey
    Salty
    Breslow
    Sweeney
    Bard
    Aceves
    Miller
    Aviles
    Morales
    R Hill

    or pre-arb players...
     

     
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    Seems like there are a number of pitching options that could be enticed for short term contracts at decent money, a list that might increase with a few buyouts/opt outs. Definitely in need of at least one quality starter. Obviously, there is a need for a number one as neither Lester or Bucholtz look to be that guy, but to devote big dollars it needs to be the right guy and obviously they are very hard to find. 

    Some names that might merit consideration for short term deals - Edwin Jackson, Shaun Marcum, Hiroki Kuroda, Anibel Sanchez, Joe Saunders, Brandon Mccarthy (risky injury history)? 

    One of the things that has killed this team in the past few years is a lack of patience. This needs to be a rebuilding process that plays itself out over several years so they are not making huge mistakes ala Lackey, Matusaka, Crawford et al.. Players like Josh Hamilton (who will just be too expensive and already has off the field issues in a smaller market), Delmon Young (off the field issues); Zack Greinke (anxiety issues); Nick Swisher (too expensive), and Kyle Lohse  (same) are seemingly the kind of potential deals they should probably run away from. 

    Napoli would be a step up but he will also be 31 and is he worth 10-plus per for the five year deal he is almost certain to be in search of? (ps Salty's 2012 stats very comparable - Salty leads in average/HRs/OPS/RBIs). Yes, he can play first and it seems likely this is where he lands in the short term, but he has strongly stated he want to continue catching full time and as we all know the drop off at this age for catchers can happen very quickly. 

    Seems likely Laroche would return to Washington, but who knows? He'd defintely be an option at 1B should he or The Nats opt out. Think another mutual option guy, Ryan Ludwick, would be somone to look at in the outfield. Hopefully, they re-sign Ross, who apparently likes it here. Clearly, the Sox are power short and could benefit from picking up a few players with some pop, but they are not easy to find. 

    For the Sox, the mission has to be to develop homegrown talent as much as possible to use in trades and bolster the roster with inexpensive players, pick and choose very carefully who you are lavishing bigs bucks on, being equallly as careful about the length of contracts. The beauty of having the budget they do is you can overpay shorter term players with attractive 1-2 year offers in order to gain flexibility moving forward (anotherwards you can outbid almost everyone else if you really want one of these Tier 2 or "B" guys). Of course, this doesn't mean you're going to get bargains when it comes to the really big A name talent because they have many suitors and will go to whomever wants to pay them the most for the longest, but you just can't swing and miss as often as the Sox have done in recent years with 5-7 year huge money deals that handcuff the franchise when they don't pay off. 

    Basically, attempting to compete with the Yankees just will not pay off in the long run. Beyond Schilling (who likely took less than he could have gotten) and Manny chasing these guys has not paid off. One only has to look at a list that includes Lackey, Crawford, Matusaka, Jenks, Renteria, JD Drew, Mike Cameron, and Julio Lugo to see what this has gotten them. Bottom line is if you're not the Yankees you cannot afford to miss when you committ 10-10-plus million per in multi-year contracts. There are gambles in all of this and no GM is going to hit it every time - you cannot control player health, etc. but even casual baseball fans could point to moves with all of the players above and say, "what?" In every case the signings seemed like too much money for the players they were getting gievn their past stats, health, age etc. In the case of Ramirez and Schilling it was hard to see the downside to the moves in the same way giving AGON what they did made sense. The difference their was that these players retained their value and were very tradeable throughout their time here. Perhaps with Lackey, based on past perfromance, one could argue that they were paying for a steady innings eater who would go out there everyday and compete, but even buying that logic it just seemed like a stretch. Too much per year AND too long. No matter what one thought of Matusaka (and the unknown factor made it hard to jusge), it just seemed like too much of a commitment for a guy who had never pitched in the majors. 

    It'd be nice if this seemingly new found philosophy had taken hold before this (and who knows if it will moving forward even with these moves), but the FO is so focused on this stupid fake sellout streak and their image in Boston that they seemingly felt they had to keep pulling the trigger to satisfy the masses and this is where it got them. Just can't bemoan the loss of Rizzo, or Kelly, or AGON at this point - that's part of the price to be paid for all of these horrible personnel decisions, and you just have to be happy with this bailout as it played out.  

    Think the priorities right now are 1B/DH/Front line starter/LF/RF and possibly a reliever or two. I for one could live with some combo of Ciriaco/Aviles/Iglesias taking care of SS/Utility. They should at least try to get Ciriaco working on his OF skills to increase his value to the team. Plenty of money there to address these needs and begin to set the table for a couple of carefully selected big moves down the road. 

    Obviously not a strong FA class in 2013, but say Ross and Ortiz get inked? Perhaps if Loney works out he comes back for a one or two year deal? You're then looking at having like 70 million to get a starter, an outfielder, and perhaps a vetran set up guy. Maybe Ryan Sweeney comes back healthy and can play one of the outfield spots? 

    Bull-pen-wise, with the likes of Miller, Aceves, Melancon, Mortensen, Bailey, Doubront, Morales, Bard, Mortensen, Hill, Breslow, Tazawa, Beato, Atchison, etc. in their control there are a lot of potential pieces to be fitted together to form the majority of the 2013 bullpen. 

    In terms of the rotation, obviously Lester and Bucholtz are the main guys. Theoretically Lackey returns to a 4-5 role (you just hope he can make starts, kill innings, and go 12-10 or 13-13 or something, which is perhaps a lot to hope for at this point, but....) If you bring in one solid FA you then are then left filling the 2 of the 4-6 slots with a group consisting of de la rosa/doubront /morales /aceves. Unless Lester goes lights out you are of course left with a staff that is without an ace and obviously that's not the best situation to be in to contend, but right now I think it's more important to compete and change the culture and allow younger players to develop and form a new nucleus. 

    Ellsbury is a huge decision for the future of this team because there is no way there is any kind of major hometwon discount coming and (as with Ortiz) there's the very real possibility he's gone no matter what. It's in their interest to assess this and perhaps make their best offer and then try to get something for him if it isn't going to happen. We all know Boras' strong preference to have guys play it out so unless Ellsbury is seriously committed to staying here this isn't happening. Just wonder what he gets in the open market? We'll see how healthy he is next year, but teams (red sox included) can not feel good about this guy's durability. Does he get 6 at 120? Does 5 at 90 get it done? 

    Hopefully Barnes, Bogearts, Brentz, Swihart, Bradley et al. can help out in the next few years, but right now Ellsbury (at least for next year), Pedroia, Middlebrooks, Lester, Bailey, and Bucholtz are the heart of the team going forward with others like Ciriaco, Aviles, Ross (were he re-signed), Salty, Lavarnway, Doubront, Morales, Nava etc with the ability to be glue guys. No doubt they need to surround this core with more young talent, veteran pick-ups at keyspots, and eventually several key better paid superstar talent (though obviously not in the same way they did, paying 15-22 million per to a handful of guys), and this team can be a playoff contender again. 
     


     
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    Seems like there are a number of pitching options that could be enticed for short term contracts at decent money, a list that might increase with a few buyouts/opt outs. Definitely in need of at least one quality starter. Obviously, there is a need for a number one as neither Lester or Bucholtz look to be that guy, but to devote big dollars it needs to be the right guy and obviously they are very hard to find.  Some names that might merit consideration for short term deals - Edwin Jackson, Shaun Marcum, Hiroki Kuroda, Anibel Sanchez, Joe Saunders, Brandon Mccarthy (risky injury history)?  One of the things that has killed this team in the past few years is a lack of patience. This needs to be a rebuilding process that plays itself out over several years so they are not making huge mistakes ala Lackey, Matusaka, Crawford et al.. Players like Josh Hamilton (who will just be too expensive and already has off the field issues in a smaller market), Delmon Young (off the field issues); Zack Greinke (anxiety issues); Nick Swisher (too expensive), and Kyle Lohse  (same) are seemingly the kind of potential deals they should probably run away from.  Napoli would be a step up but he will also be 31 and is he worth 10-plus per for the five year deal he is almost certain to be in search of? (ps Salty's 2012 stats very comparable - Salty leads in average/HRs/OPS/RBIs). Yes, he can play first and it seems likely this is where he lands in the short term, but he has strongly stated he want to continue catching full time and as we all know the drop off at this age for catchers can happen very quickly.  Seems likely Laroche would return to Washington, but who knows? He'd defintely be an option at 1B should he or The Nats opt out. Think another mutual option guy, Ryan Ludwick, would be somone to look at in the outfield. Hopefully, they re-sign Ross, who apparently likes it here. Clearly, the Sox are power short and could benefit from picking up a few players with some pop, but they are not easy to find.  For the Sox, the mission has to be to develop homegrown talent as much as possible to use in trades and bolster the roster with inexpensive players, pick and choose very carefully who you are lavishing bigs bucks on, being equallly as careful about the length of contracts. The beauty of having the budget they do is you can overpay shorter term players with attractive 1-2 year offers in order to gain flexibility moving forward (anotherwards you can outbid almost everyone else if you really want one of these Tier 2 or "B" guys). Of course, this doesn't mean you're going to get bargains when it comes to the really big A name talent because they have many suitors and will go to whomever wants to pay them the most for the longest, but you just can't swing and miss as often as the Sox have done in recent years with 5-7 year huge money deals that handcuff the franchise when they don't pay off.  Basically, attempting to compete with the Yankees just will not pay off in the long run. Beyond Schilling (who likely took less than he could have gotten) and Manny chasing these guys has not paid off. One only has to look at a list that includes Lackey, Crawford, Matusaka, Jenks, Renteria, JD Drew, Mike Cameron, and Julio Lugo to see what this has gotten them. Bottom line is if you're not the Yankees you cannot afford to miss when you committ 10-10-plus million per in multi-year contracts. There are gambles in all of this and no GM is going to hit it every time - you cannot control player health, etc. but even casual baseball fans could point to moves with all of the players above and say, "what?" In every case the signings seemed like too much money for the players they were getting gievn their past stats, health, age etc. In the case of Ramirez and Schilling it was hard to see the downside to the moves in the same way giving AGON what they did made sense. The difference their was that these players retained their value and were very tradeable throughout their time here. Perhaps with Lackey, based on past perfromance, one could argue that they were paying for a steady innings eater who would go out there everyday and compete, but even buying that logic it just seemed like a stretch. Too much per year AND too long. No matter what one thought of Matusaka (and the unknown factor made it hard to jusge), it just seemed like too much of a commitment for a guy who had never pitched in the majors.  It'd be nice if this seemingly new found philosophy had taken hold before this (and who knows if it will moving forward even with these moves), but the FO is so focused on this stupid fake sellout streak and their image in Boston that they seemingly felt they had to keep pulling the trigger to satisfy the masses and this is where it got them. Just can't bemoan the loss of Rizzo, or Kelly, or AGON at this point - that's part of the price to be paid for all of these horrible personnel decisions, and you just have to be happy with this bailout as it played out.   Think the priorities right now are 1B/DH/Front line starter/LF/RF and possibly a reliever or two. I for one could live with some combo of Ciriaco/Aviles/Iglesias taking care of SS/Utility. They should at least try to get Ciriaco working on his OF skills to increase his value to the team. Plenty of money there to address these needs and begin to set the table for a couple of carefully selected big moves down the road.  Obviously not a strong FA class in 2013, but say Ross and Ortiz get inked? Perhaps if Loney works out he comes back for a one or two year deal? You're then looking at having like 70 million to get a starter, an outfielder, and perhaps a vetran set up guy. Maybe Ryan Sweeney comes back healthy and can play one of the outfield spots?  Bull-pen-wise, with the likes of Miller, Aceves, Melancon, Mortensen, Bailey, Doubront, Morales, Bard, Mortensen, Hill, Breslow, Tazawa, Beato, Atchison, etc. in their control there are a lot of potential pieces to be fitted together to form the majority of the 2013 bullpen.  In terms of the rotation, obviously Lester and Bucholtz are the main guys. Theoretically Lackey returns to a 4-5 role (you just hope he can make starts, kill innings, and go 12-10 or 13-13 or something, which is perhaps a lot to hope for at this point, but....) If you bring in one solid FA you then are then left filling the 2 of the 4-6 slots with a group consisting of de la rosa/doubront /morales /aceves. Unless Lester goes lights out you are of course left with a staff that is without an ace and obviously that's not the best situation to be in to contend, but right now I think it's more important to compete and change the culture and allow younger players to develop and form a new nucleus.  Ellsbury is a huge decision for the future of this team because there is no way there is any kind of major hometwon discount coming and (as with Ortiz) there's the very real possibility he's gone no matter what. It's in their interest to assess this and perhaps make their best offer and then try to get something for him if it isn't going to happen. We all know Boras' strong preference to have guys play it out so unless Ellsbury is seriously committed to staying here this isn't happening. Just wonder what he gets in the open market? We'll see how healthy he is next year, but teams (red sox included) can not feel good about this guy's durability. Does he get 6 at 120? Does 5 at 90 get it done?  Hopefully Barnes, Bogearts, Brentz, Swihart, Bradley et al. can help out in the next few years, but right now Ellsbury (at least for next year), Pedroia, Middlebrooks, Lester, Bailey, and Bucholtz are the heart of the team going forward with others like Ciriaco, Aviles, Ross (were he re-signed), Salty, Lavarnway, Doubront, Morales, Nava etc with the ability to be glue guys. No doubt they need to surround this core with more young talent, veteran pick-ups at keyspots, and eventually several key better paid superstar talent (though obviously not in the same way they did, paying 15-22 million per to a handful of guys), and this team can be a playoff contender again.   
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    If we start with the end in mind.  The todo list for Cherington is to rebuild the middle of the lineup with run producing bats. Then get an anwser this offseason regarding Ellsbury's intent to play out his deal and walk after the 2013 season. If the answer is yes (which all signs point to given Boras). Then we can add a leadoff hitter to the equasion. In the short term for next season. The easy thing to do is to re-up Ortiz (FA), LF Ross (FA) & 1B Looney (FA) and then add a couple of veteran bats to platoon in the outfield and at the corner. Make no mistake about it the rebuild we're under taking is significant when you add Papi and Ellsbury's contract status to the mix. Leaving only Pedrioa as a proven All Star performer under the teams control with young Middlebrooks projecting to be an impact player too.

    Lineup;
    CF Ellsbury (?)
    2B Pedrioa
    1B Need
    DH Need
    LF Need
    3B Middlebrooks
    C  Saltalamaccia/Lavarnway
    RF Kalish/Sweeney
    SS Avilis/Ciriaco/Iglesias

    The Pitching Staff; Clearly we need to add another arm, end of the day if they can get Lester back to his 2008-2011 form that will go a long ways in stabalizing the rotation. Thereafter we have the makings of a solid group with Lackey's returning from TJ surgery the only real question mark. Buccholz and Doubront both have shwon themselves worthy of being part of the rotation and IMHO Morales should be a starter from this point forward...Thus the need is to backfill the organization with a couple of veteran arms to serve as organizational depth and in an ideal world adding another top of the rotation starter to the mix would give us some insurance in case Lester can't figure it out this offseason...

    Rotation;
    Lester
    Buccholz
    Doubront
    Lackey
    Morales

    Need: Organizational depth...

    Bullpen; We have the nucleaus of a decent pen returning for the 2013 season and beyond with all of them under the teams control or arbitration eligable. The key guy is Bailey if he can't get on the field then the need to find another closer becomes a top priority...Aceves while a valuable, is not the answer...

    Bailey
    Aceves
    Hill
    Melancon
    Miller
    Breslow
    Mortensen
     
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    Napoli is the one guy on that big list of free agents that would interest me the most as he has shown good right handed power and can play two (even three) positions if you count DH.  He has not been seriously injured and is also in his early 30s where many of the other guys on the list were in their later 30s.
     
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    Wow...what an underwhelming list.

    I wouldn't spend big money on any of those guys.

    Ok...I know i'm crazy...but one name really intrigues me, he's a guy I watched since he's hit the majors, I've always liked the guy, I watched he and Cueto closely, and always thought they'd be very comparable pitchers:

    Jonathon Sanchez

    His caeer was progressing very nicely in 08 and 09, and in 10 he had a very good year:

    YearTeam G GS W L SV BS HLD CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB
    ERA WHIP BAA  
     2006 SF 27 4 3 1 0 0 5 0 0 40.0 39 26 22 2 23 33 
    4.95 1.55 .250  
     2007 SF 33 4 1 5 0 0 2 0 0 52.0 57 34 34 8 28 62 
    5.88 1.63 .284  
     2008 SF 29 29 9 12 0 0 0 0 0 158.0 154 90 88 14 75 157
    5.01 1.45 .257  
     2009 SF 32 29 8 12 0 0 1 1 1 163.1 135 82 77 19 88 177 4.24 1.37 .221  
     2010 SF 34 33 13 9 0 0 1 0 0 193.1 142 74 66 21 96 205 3.07 1.23 .204  
     2011 SF 19 19 4 7 0 0 0 0 0 101.1 80 54 48 9 66 102 4.26 1.44 .220  
     2012 KC 12 12 1 6 0 0 0 0 0 53.1 65 47 46 8 44 36 7.76 2.04 .302  
     2012 COL 3 3 0 3 0 0 0 0 0 11.1 17 13 12 3 9
    9.53 2.29 .370

    Then he took a step back in 2011, got dealt, and the wheels have totally come off and he's been dealing with tendinitis in his bicep of his throwing arm.

    For 4 years he boasted better than 9k per 9innings. 200+ K guys are rare, usually there's only about 10 per season (looking like 8-10 this season). SF had Lincecum and Cain, and Bumgarner came up, then he went from WS contender to KC, then COL, where all pitchers love going. I wonder if getting him back in a good baseball market would reignite him. He's still only 29, I'm sure he wouldn't cost a lot of money or years.

    This is the type of guy I'd target right now. There are no obvious answers, so take a shot on a couple of guys.

    To that end, Ryan Ludwick as a RH power hitter for a year or 2 at DH would probably work out well also. He can also play in LF in Fenway, presumably. I always go back to if Manny could do it, most should be able to. Manny was NEVER a good fielder, Fenway made him look decent.
     
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    The last chance to get anything for Ellsbury will be the waiver wire or next winter. 

    I'm guessing you meant "this" winter. I agree here. We should try very hard to trade Ellsbury this winter and before the season starts or the team getting him loses the possible comp pick the next year.

    Pods or similar type is cheap and one year, on a team that isn't likely to be a title contender for 2013. 

    I'd love to have Pods back as a bridge to Bradley or Brentz.

    The Red Sox will be lucky to sniff a playoff spot in 2013, where they have no chance to win it all. 

    It certainly looks that way, but our chances in 2014 and beyond look much more promising.

    Felix and Upton are pretty much all there is that is worth trading for. They are both young enough and good enough and a fit for years to come. 

    Felix would cost us too many "Bs" (Bradley, Barnes, Bogaerts, and Brentz). If we could get him for just one "B" and a bunch of other top Sox prospects, I'd be all for it, but I doubt Seattle goes for that.

    Upton looks like he might be moved. We should be highly competitive in trying to get this young kid.

    I wouldn't say these are the only two. There are many other young players I'd love to have (McCutchen for one), but maybe you just meant only those who might be traded.

    The Red Sox need to build around the farm and true young superstars (not bogus bums like Crawford and Lackey). They do not need to waste money on a CF'er who will never be the type of player to carry an offense. 

    It's too risky to hope Jacoby will repeat 2011 over and over. If we extend this guy at big bucks and many years, then we risk CC II.

    The budget should be reserved for young superstar players, lower cost one year veteran deals and farm development.

    I agree, but when we get to the doorstep, a key aged vet can make a big difference. We are not there yet, but we should not forget that Schilling was 37 his first year here and had less than 170 IP the year before.

    Forget these late 20's and 30's bums like Hamilton and Napoli...

    I totally agree, but fear we may make another big mistake.

    ... and let's hope the Yankees take Kuroda off the FA market so he can't be another Red Sox incompetent GM mistake. 

    A  one year deal is not a mistake, but it would be for us, since we should be looking at 2014, so he is not our answer.

    LF  Trade for J. Upton
    CF 1 year deal on Pods profile type / Bradley, Jr.
    RF  1 year + team option/on Ross as a platoon with Nava / Brentz or Jacobs

    1B Trade for Victor Martinez (Don't pay millions for Loney)/Gomez

    There's no way we sign Loney. Gomez is pre-arb.
    Trading for VMart makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. As you have said, we have no chance in 2013, so why pay VMart $13M in 2013 and $12M in 2014?
    VMart will be 34 this winter. He has never been a great all around defensive catcher, and is not getting any better behind the plate. Going back to our argument of 2 years ago, VMart's offense is only valuabkle from the catcher slot. He would be lucky to finish #12-15 in 1Bmen OPS next year, so I don't see why we'd pay $25M/2 for an average 1Bman. Yes, it's nice to have his flexibiltiy to cover catcher in a pinch, but not 25M worth.

    VMart's career OPS is .840, and that is anout where he was his last 2 years playing. I still never understood how you could call VMart an "elite hitter", but not Holliday who has been over .900 for 7 straight years (including the 3 years after I wanted us to get him).

    The AL had  seven 1Bmen with an OPS over .870 from 2011-2012, and Tex isn't even on that list, nor is Billy Butler at .846.

    2B Pedroia/Iglesias
    SS Ciriaco/Iglesias  (Do not sign a FA UIF'er)
    3B Middlebrooks/Ciriaco

    C Lavarnway/Shneider 1 year 800K (Who?) Why not trade for Ramon Hernandez- your 2012 darling wish?

    DH Ortiz/VMart  (Ortiz 1 year 8 to 10M or match written offer + 20%) 

    SP Buchholz
    SP Lester
    SP Doubrant
    SP Lackey
    SP Tazawa
    SP Morales
    SP Veteran 1 year low single digit
    SP Veteran 1 year low single digit 
    SP Veteran 1 year low single digit

    Last winter you suggested the same thing, but all the guys you said we should offer $1M deals to, signed for $3-5M a year. Be realistic, we are not going to get the SPs you want for $1M. You may think they are only worth $M, and most pitched like less than $1M pitchers, but we need to pay $3-4M to get pitchers of the skillset you look for.

    I'm fine without getting an ace/#2 slot this winter. It's the first winter since Schill retired that I have said that. We should look to 2014 and beyong, and only trade for one that is under control beyond then. There are no FA pitchers worth the risk/cost.

    Bailey
    Aceves
    Miller
    and the usual assembly of one year pen revolving door and farm call-up profiles

    We have enough pen arms returning at low cost. No additions are necessary, but we need to keep guys where they do their best.

    Forget the entire FA class of SP, and forget trading for anyone but Felix whose price is too high for 2013.

    Do you really believe that there is just one young pitcher worthy of seeking?

    Easy to trade for VMart, as the Tigers are paying a fortune for Fielder and have had success with Young et al platooning at DH. Given the weight and fielding issues and wear and tear on Miggy, it's almost certain that the Tigers will abandon the myth that Miggy can't DH a lot of the time and look to unload VMart over the winter. Cost will be low because of his 2 years and 26 million owed contract, and will simply be 2nd tier farm prospects.

    Yes, easy to trade for him, but he goes against everything you have said. he is old and getting older. He's overpaid for that age. He's at bet an average 1Bman taht will lead us nowhere. I'd rather trade for Morneau as a one year bridge to Travis Shaw or possibly a player moved to 1B from other blocked positions (Cecchini? Bogaerts?)

    Agon and Ortiz cost about 25 million for 2012.

    VMart and Ortiz would cost about 21 to 23 million for 2012, but both come off the books in one to two years

    Assuming Papi agrees to a "racist offer" of just $8-10M.

    Crawford and Ellsbury and Ross were almost 33M a year for 2012

    J. Upton, Pods and Ross/Nava/Sweeney would be about 18M for 2012
    J. Upton, Pods/Bradley Jr. and Brentz/Jacobs/Nava would be about 22M for 2013

    Upton would come off the books in just 3 years

    The Red Sox would be able to get J. Upton for 4 or 5 players from a pool of players that includes Ellsbury (Type A Compensation end of 2013 if DBacks don't want to pay for his FA years) Aviles, Salty and any players still on the current farm, except for Barnes and Bradley, Jr.  

    Please, get off the trade Jake rant. They just extended Montero, so they don't need Salty. They may want Aviles, but he is no centerpiece to a team looking to contend sooner-not later.

    The payroll would drop about 40 million from 2012

    The Red Sox wouldn't have a single long term massive contract

    Fair lineup:

    Ciriaco/Pods
    Pedroia
    VMart
    J. Upton
    Ortiz
    Middlebrooks
    Ross/Nava
    Lavarnway/VMart/Shneider
    Pods/Ciriaco

    Not a bad line-up, but sub Gomez for VMart and we still have a zero chance of winning next year with just 3 low cost starting pitchers signed.

      
     
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