Nick C reporting a trade

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    There is an obvious weakness that needs fixing: the bullpen, which ranks 10th in the AL and which has lost three members for the season. Tazawa cannot continue to pitch at this rate. He is already showing signs of fatigue. Crain or Hochevar would fit the bill-assuming Crain is able to pitch again sometime soon.

     Uehara is being stretched thin as well.

    Thornton may help. 

    If Buch comes back, Workman or Britton may boost the pen at some point, but I agree, our biggest need is certainly the pen. We may even need two pen arms.

    I'd try to get 2-3 low cost arms by trading borderline rule 5 prospects, blocked prospects, or a mid level prospect that Ben deems to be the least likely to be a Bagwell.

    Sox4ever

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    There is an obvious weakness that needs fixing: the bullpen, which ranks 10th in the AL and which has lost three members for the season. Tazawa cannot continue to pitch at this rate. He is already showing signs of fatigue. Crain or Hochevar would fit the bill-assuming Crain is able to pitch again sometime soon.

     Uehara is being stretched thin as well.

    Thornton may help. 

    If Buch comes back, Workman or Britton may boost the pen at some point, but I agree, our biggest need is certainly the pen. We may even need two pen arms.

    I'd try to get 2-3 low cost arms by trading borderline rule 5 prospects, blocked prospects, or a mid level prospect that Ben deems to be the least likely to be a Bagwell.

    Sox4ever



    Thornton is a lefty specialist IMO. Thats what his numbers say so far. Breslow is good vs RHH and LHH nearly equally. I would prefer a RHH arm, or, as you say, two.

     
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    Britton has been great. Another LHP that can get both RH and LHH out. Thorny is a Loogy. DeLaTorre and Beato have done good too (RHP). Tazawa needs to seriously take some time off. Once they get another arm or two they should either not use him for a little bit or just DL him for 15 days and get that arm rested for the last month or 2. Hes just not that effective and Im willing to bet a 2 week rest will rejuvenate him and he can be dominant again.

    Once they put Bailey on the 60-day DL that will open up 2 slots on the 40-man roster. They have 39 right now. I imagine Ross will take one of them though in another 3 weeks.

    Another really good RHP who has good splits with LH and RHH is needed.

     
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    I hope the Sox stand pat.  I still think they have enough to win if they get hot and look forward to the whole organization building a youthful powerhouse 



    Right on target, BROTHA!

     
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    I would give 2 or 3 internal prospects a shot for the pen. Either two promoted at once or one at a time: Huntzinger and RDLR. You also have Rafael Perez , formerly with the Indians, at AA. Two are not on the 40.

    The question is who do you send down? Jose DeLaTorre has been good when asked to do one inning. I might send him down to see if they can push him to 2 to 3 innings.

    Wright pitched a 9 inning 2-1 win two nights ago. He's got to be considered in the mix for next year.

     
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    Problem with the Peavy move from what I'm reading is the Sox want Trading Partner to take on all his salary, plus good Prospects. Might come down, but if I was the Sox, I'd stay away.

     
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    When Buchholz comes back I'm sure someone is going to need the rest, so I can see them going with a 6 man a couple times through the rotation.  We've seen what a little rest can do for Lester and this is Lackey's first full season back; throw the fact that Doubront has never gone more than 160 innings in a season and its all a recipe for fatigue. 

     

     
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    In response to RSF4Life234's comment:

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    Sox better do something. They stand pat, I dont think theyll make it. 

     



    So the team that's had the best record in baseball for most of the year isn't going to make it. Clearly these players seem to disagree with you. They don't need a major move just some more bp help.

     

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    I agree.  One player won't make a team a champion.    

     
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    Britton has been great.


    Yes but ...

    http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2013/07/video_red_sox_prospect_drake_b.html

    They keep pushing back his court date, latest continuance now for September 6th.

    The speeding alone would usually be enough to get him jail time, but combine that with running from the police ... yikes!

    I hope he knows the club won't tolerate any more screw-ups like this, because he has promise ...

     
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    From MLBTraderumors.com:

     The Red Sox are "very much in" the Peavy sweepstakes, tweets Passan.  With their motivation and available prospects, they're in a strong position to acquire him.  Passan says Hahn is asking for every interested organization's top prospect, including "complete non-starters" such as Xander Bogaerts of the Red Sox and Addison Russell of the A's.  Executives believe the asking price will drop in advance of the Wednesday deadline

     
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    Problem with the Peavy move from what I'm reading is the Sox want Trading Partner to take on all his salary, plus good Prospects. Might come down, but if I was the Sox, I'd stay away.

    Some say the A's can't carry the weight of the salary, but I'm wondering if it was just the salary dump, or that plus some minor Rule 5 prospects, if we'd take a chance on him?

     
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    Don't make a Larry Anderson trade just for the sake of making a move - it has to be the right move and there doesnt seem to be one out there where the other team isnt asking for the moon from the Sox 

     

     

     



    I'm sure the sox will try and trade their prospects who will bust for an aging player who will still perform for a few more years.  That was sarcasm.  Prospects are like high probability lottery tickets, and you don't exactly know which ones will it...

     

     

     

    The best way to not trade away the next Bagwell......is to not make a trade.

     

     

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    Just because some past trades turned sour, does not mean one should never trade a prospect again.

     

     

    We traded prospects for Schilling.

    Prospects for many helpful players.

     

    I'm not for trading good prospects for 2 month rentals or injury prone players, but not all our prospects are Bagwells.

     

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    Moon I agree, sometimes trades aren't always lopsided and sometimes someone gets the better side of it.  A better point to make is you just don't know.  No one knew Jeff Bagwell would be who he was.  From my observations in recent years it seems as though the selling team has by far walked away winners....but I guess that's the way it goes because after all how many teams pay that extra premium for a chance to win when only one of them can win?

     

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    People knew bagwell could hit.. they just didn't think he'd develop the power he had.. they were wrong..

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=bagwel001jef

     

     
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    From MLBTraderumors.com:

     The Red Sox are "very much in" the Peavy sweepstakes, tweets Passan.  With their motivation and available prospects, they're in a strong position to acquire him.  Passan says Hahn is asking for every interested organization's top prospect, including "complete non-starters" such as Xander Bogaerts of the Red Sox and Addison Russell of the A's.  Executives believe the asking price will drop in advance of the Wednesday deadline




    Lol, Bogaerts. Good one, Chicago.

     
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    [QUOTE]Problem with the Peavy move from what I'm reading is the Sox want Trading Partner to take on all his salary, plus good Prospects. Might come down, but if I was the Sox, I'd stay away.


    Some say the A's can't carry the weight of the salary, but I'm wondering if it was just the salary dump, or that plus some minor Rule 5 prospects, if we'd take a chance on him?

     

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    It has to be on the RS terms not the WS---we don't need him and his questionnable medical history for two years. I think we are looking to buy some time til Buch gets back. Right now Workman has evertthing but the Major League savvy, swagger and reputation that Peavy has--is that worth $24 M?

     
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    [QUOTE]Britton has been great.



    Yes but ...

     

    http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2013/07/video_red_sox_prospect_drake_b.html

    They keep pushing back his court date, latest continuance now for September 6th.

    The speeding alone would usually be enough to get him jail time, but combine that with running from the police ... yikes!

    I hope he knows the club won't tolerate any more screw-ups like this, because he has promise ...

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    Yeah, Hes going to have to pay his due soon enough. 1st offense might reduce it to a lot of community service, but jail time is certainly not out of the question. He made a huge mistake and he realizes it. I read that last article on him on soxprospects.com regarding that incident. Hopefully it can get pushed back until the end of the season.

     

     
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    From MLBTraderumors.com:

     The Red Sox are "very much in" the Peavy sweepstakes, tweets Passan.  With their motivation and available prospects, they're in a strong position to acquire him.  Passan says Hahn is asking for every interested organization's top prospect, including "complete non-starters" such as Xander Bogaerts of the Red Sox and Addison Russell of the A's.  Executives believe the asking price will drop in advance of the Wednesday deadline

     

     




    Lol, Bogaerts. Good one, Chicago.

     

     

     




    I got a good laugh from that too...Addison Russell from the A's is a knee slapper too. Peavey is no where near worth a top prospect AAAAND they want the team to take on the whole salary.

     

    If I were the Sox Id send back a huge low ball offer. It might make a good point.

    Cherrington: "Hey Hahnny. I know you said Bogey, but I was thinking more Kendrick Perkins.. and hey, we'll even toss in Ricardo Andujar, but you'll have to eat at least 10M of the money owed and the rest of this years salary. Let me know buddy...

     
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    Pitching = parades.

    Lee has to be available at this point.  Phils have lost 97 games in a row....

     
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    When Buchholz comes back I'm sure someone is going to need the rest, so I can see them going with a 6 man a couple times through the rotation.  We've seen what a little rest can do for Lester and this is Lackey's first full season back; throw the fact that Doubront has never gone more than 160 innings in a season and its all a recipe for fatigue. 

     




    When Buchholz comes back......

    Presumptuous. Buchholtz may not be back this season. He refuses to pitch with any pain whatsoever and has had setback after setback. IF he does come back it might be just for the playoffs, if we make them. I for one will believe he is coming back when I see him on the mound starting a game.

     
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    First of all so we are all on the same page here the correct spelling is Buchholz.  I think I've made the mistake of adding two C's instead of two H's but there is definitely no T in there.

    There is nothing that has been said by Buchholz, the Red Sox or the medical staff that would lead one to believe he will not pitch this season.  Anything short of that assumption is pure unbridled speculation built on your negative image of Clay Buchholz.  Sure....it could come to fruition but your assumption that it is so certain to happen is what makes you a DONNY DOWNER.

    Maybe Ellsbury will be involved in the Biogenesis, Maybe Doubront blows his elbow out tomorrow and Maybe LEster falls off a cliff again and then Maybe Pedey goes on the D.L.

    But guess what....all those things can happen to every other team as well.  So this constant infatuation with the fear of it Happening to the Red Sox and every team will get better is just such a down in the dumps negative view on what has been a great season so far.

    All I'm doing is pointing out that you are a Donny Downer, and maybe that's picking on you a bit.  But I will say something to all the downers on this board.  Everything that is put up here illicits a response and negative people will illicit one from me. 

     
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    Even if Buch comes back and pitches to early season form, it can't hurt to have another quality starter.

    The problem is, as always, at what cost?

    This is usually not the right time to get a SP. The cost is high, the risk is high, and 10-11 starts is not that significant to a team where SP'ers has been a strength thus far.

    Sox4ever

     
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    Sox better do something. They stand pat, I dont think theyll make it. 

     



    The very fact that you said 'do something' means there are no obvious moves.

     

     



    There is an obvious weakness that needs fixing: the bullpen, which ranks 10th in the AL and which has lost three members for the season. Tazawa cannot continue to pitch at this rate. He is already showing signs of fatigue. Crain or Hochevar would fit the bill-assuming Crain is able to pitch again sometime soon.

     



    I saw that Crain may be going to Tampa Bay.  

     

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/07/white-sox-close-to-trading-crain.html

     

     

     
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    First of all so we are all on the same page here the correct spelling is Buchholz.  I think I've made the mistake of adding two C's instead of two H's but there is definitely no T in there.

    There is nothing that has been said by Buchholz, the Red Sox or the medical staff that would lead one to believe he will not pitch this season.  Anything short of that assumption is pure unbridled speculation built on your negative image of Clay Buchholz.  Sure....it could come to fruition but your assumption that it is so certain to happen is what makes you a DONNY DOWNER.

    Maybe Ellsbury will be involved in the Biogenesis, Maybe Doubront blows his elbow out tomorrow and Maybe LEster falls off a cliff again and then Maybe Pedey goes on the D.L.

    But guess what....all those things can happen to every other team as well.  So this constant infatuation with the fear of it Happening to the Red Sox and every team will get better is just such a down in the dumps negative view on what has been a great season so far.

    All I'm doing is pointing out that you are a Donny Downer, and maybe that's picking on you a bit.  But I will say something to all the downers on this board.  Everything that is put up here illicits a response and negative people will illicit one from me. 



    I prefer to refer to myself as a realistic skeptic. You can choose your own word. Its still presumptuous of you to assume that its "when" Buchholz returns rather than "if" he returns or how soon he might make it back. He has undeniably had setback after setback. Therefore, IMO the Red Sox have to plan for the possibility that he might not make it back at all, or if he does make it back, it might not be in time to help the team during the regular season. To plan otherwise is foolish.

     
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    There is never such thing as planning under certain conditions you are still looking at all the possible negative outcomes and complaining about it here.  Call it what you want to call it I call it being a "Donny Downer" of course I've assumed your a male....if you are a female then you are being a Debbie Downer

     

     
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    There is never such thing as planning under certain conditions you are still looking at all the possible negative outcomes and complaining about it here.  Call it what you want to call it I call it being a "Donny Downer" of course I've assumed your a male....if you are a female then you are being a Debbie Downer

     



    There is sufficient evidence to support my contention that there is a real possiblity that CB won't be back this year-or will be back too late to help us during the regular season. We are talking about a player who is already injured, who has had several setback in his rehab, and who refuses to pitch if he is in any pain. We are not talking about a healthy player who *might* blow out his elbow. You call it being a Donny Downer; I call it covering your butt.

     

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