Nick Cafardo:It's time to blow up Red Sox roster

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nick Cafardo:It's time to blow up Red Sox roster : Never said Bay would have been hurt. He has stunk with the Mets, even on the road, so it's not a stretch to think he would have struggled had he stayed. Beyond that, Martinez's injury had nothing to do with a play. He tore his ACL while training. Probably would have happened no matter where he was playing.
    Posted by royf19[/QUOTE]

    No need to speculate.  Bay did struggle here.  He struggled mightily in the second half of 2009.
     
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    Re: Nick Cafardo:It's time to blow up Red Sox roster

    The common denominator over the last 3 seasons?  The roster hasn't changed much??

    New Shortstop, new third baseman, relatively new first baseman, new right fielder, no Tek.

    That's half the fielded team.
     
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    I don't think you are getting it, there are no suggestions to fix this disaster. This team is in serious troble in the future and it does not sound like they are going to throw money at the problem here. They are burdened with no number one starters but a bunch of 3,4, and 5s. The real issue is they are charging top prices to watch this disaster now and in the future. A lot of problems here that Boy Genus left us in and stupid deals that Young Ben Cherrington makes, response to "Re: Nick Cafardo:It's time to blow up Red Sox roster": [QUOTE]So Carfardo's idea is to "blow it up" but he doesn't make 1 actual suggestion and only offers topical player analysis that any casual fan could tell you. It is super easy to say "blow up the roster", now doing it...... The Red Sox stayed the course with the current roster b/c the current roster is loaded with underproducing, overpaid guys.  Posted by Thesemenarecowards[/QUOTE]
     
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    Re: Nick Cafardo:It's time to blow up Red Sox roster

    Beckett, Papi, Lackey, Crawford are four guys who could save you money...and only one, Papi, has earned his money (but his Dh position, age, salary make him a good candidate to send off for transformation)

    start there....

    we can worry about ells in 2014
     
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    Yeah, and DUDE (Geez, I hate that stupid term!) Cargo, not Cargon, plays in Denver.
    Numbers are inflated,.386 at home ,264 away. That's 122 point incredible diffference!
    45-22 RBI and 13-7 HRs. Almost a .400 point OPS difference at home and away.
    Cut his home numbers in half and you get an idea of what he'd do playing anywhere else by Denver.
    He's not the be all end all of MLB. Not by a long shot.
    Take the Charlie Chocolate Factorty glasses off. Best player in the AL?
    Just not an intelligent comment.
     
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    [QUOTE]Beckett, Papi, Lackey, Crawford are four guys who could save you money...and only one, Papi, has earned his money (but his Dh position, age, salary make him a good candidate to send off for transformation) start there.... we can worry about ells in 2014
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    How do you save money on Lackey or Crawford? 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nick Cafardo:It's time to blow up Red Sox roster : How do you save money on Lackey or Crawford? 
    Posted by Thesemenarecowards[/QUOTE]

    even eating 50% of their contracts probably saves you money when replacement costs are factored in....lava over papi for DH...morales for lackey, nava for crawford, cook for beckett...
     
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    Re: Nick Cafardo:It's time to blow up Red Sox roster

    Oh, and again, do a little research.
    Bay had an outstanding August and September in 2009.
    His slump was in July.
    LOOK IT UP!
     
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    beltre was a beast...vmart and bay almost as good....sad to see all those guys go...regardless of what happened with injuries...
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nick Cafardo:It's time to blow up Red Sox roster : even eating 50% of their contracts probably saves you money when replacement costs are factored in....lava over papi for DH...morales for lackey, nava for crawford, cook for beckett...
    Posted by georom4[/QUOTE]

    I don't think you could trade Lackey for half price.

    If the Red Sox were willing to pay Crawford 10 million a year to play somewhere else, he might be tradable but then there is also the elbow issue....
     
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    [QUOTE]I don't think you are getting it, there are no suggestions to fix this disaster. This team is in serious troble in the future and it does not sound like they are going to throw money at the problem here. They are burdened with no number one starters but a bunch of 3,4, and 5s. The real issue is they are charging top prices to watch this disaster now and in the future. A lot of problems here that Boy Genus left us in and stupid deals that Young Ben Cherrington makes, response to "Re: Nick Cafardo:It's time to blow up Red Sox roster":
    Posted by AL34[/QUOTE]

    No, I get it. 
     
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    [QUOTE]I love it when people say blow up the team but don't provide specifics. When pressed, the best they can say is trade Beckett. OK, fine, trade him. But take a look at Cafardo's analysis. He seems to indicate that A-Gon, Pedroia, Ortiz and Salty are OK to have. He wants to keep Lester and Buchholz. The team has new RFers from last year, Middlebrooks has already taken over at third base for Youk. So what else? SS? Fine -- trade Aviles and bring up Iggy but is that really improving the team? The bullpen has been overhauled to some extent from last year and the bottom of the rotation is different. So team has been better. So blow up the roster -- how? Just once, I'd like to see some specifics that would actually improve the team. I don't get the handwringing Carfardo has over not re-signing Bay, Beltre and Martinez. Bay has scked and been hurt since leaving. Beltre has been good but he would have blocked Middlebrooks, and Martinez is hurt and wouldn't have been an upgrade over Ortiz or A-Gon last year and isn't an every day catcher anymore so why would you sign him for what Detroit did. Isn't that the problem with Crawford -- signing a guy that has no role for big money. Just imagine had the Sox did what some wanted -- dump Ortiz and keep Martinez as the DH. Don't seem Martinez in any lineups this year. The Sox could have added another $15M -- or whatever the Tigers are paying him -- to the DL. Cafardo is right. The roster is the problem, but not like he thinks. It's the roster in that the roster never has gotten the chance to play together this year. Yes, Beckett and Lester are underperforming so if everyone was healthy this year, while the Sox would have a better record, I'm not sure by how much. Lester shoudn't go anywhere. So it's back to Beckett. All the Sox woes, I guess, are traced to one player. 
    Posted by royf19[/QUOTE]

    That's not his point, and how are you assuming Martinez would have gotten hurt with the Red Sox.

    And they have bad contracts that aren't producing. His point is it's time to dump players like Beckett, Lackey, etc., even if it means eating lots of $$$. So they don't dump them and guess what? They stink again in 2013, 2014. They are not going to get better.

     
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    [QUOTE]Yeah, and DUDE (Geez, I hate that stupid term!) Cargo, not Cargon, plays in Denver. Numbers are inflated,.386 at home ,264 away. That's 122 point incredible diffference! 45-22 RBI and 13-7 HRs. Almost a .400 point OPS difference at home and away. Cut his home numbers in half and you get an idea of what he'd do playing anywhere else by Denver. He's not the be all end all of MLB. Not by a long shot. Take the Charlie Chocolate Factorty glasses off. Best player in the AL? Just not an intelligent comment.
    Posted by rightymclefty[/QUOTE]

    Most players play better at home.  The park factor isnt 100% of the reason for the splits.  Lets look at the numbers.  Coors Field is fourth in HR's allowed/game at 1.385.  The median park (Citi Field) is at 1.007.  Thats 27.3% less than the Coors numbers.  So no, we shouldnt "cut his homerun numbers in half."  If we take his home home run total (13) and cut it down by teh accurate number: 27%, we have 9.5 HR at home + 7 on the road = 16.5.  Still pretty good considering that he has 15 steals in 16 attempts and bats well over .300.

    Also, he's 26.

    Also: the 27% adjustment is inflated by the fact that Colorado has a terrible pitching staff, which leads to more homeruns / game.

    Since they started using the humidor, Coors field has been much less of a hitter's park (still a hitter's park , but not the extent that it use to be).

    He's also a solid defensive LF.  

    Cargon's splits are primarily attributable to the fact that he feeds off home field energy not Coors park itself.  Name 3 left-fielders you'd rather have.

    Oh wait, you'd rather have Jason Bay because he's right handed.




     
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    I forgot, Drewski. I like you, and Cargo is a nice player, just not # 1 anywhere.
    Oh well.....
    Anyway,
    Ryan Braun, Matt Holliday, Mark Trumbo, and Josh Hamilton.
    Hamilton looked horrid lately.
     
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    [QUOTE]I forgot, Drewski. I like you, and Cargo is a nice player, just not # 1 anywhere. Oh well..... Anyway, Ryan Braun, Matt Holliday, Mark Trumbo, and Josh Hamilton. Hamilton looked horrid lately.
    Posted by rightymclefty[/QUOTE]

    Agreed on Braun  (assuming Braun isn't cheating) and Hamilton (when he isnt slumping) are better.

    Respectfully disagree on Holliday and Trumbo.  Holliday power vs Cargo power is prob a wash , but Cargo has more athleticism and youth.  He's also faster than Trumbo.  Trumbo needs to work on his pitch selection , IMO.  But thats something that will prob come w more major league at-bats.

    The only two who are clear cut better are Braun and Hamilton.  And both of those guys come w question marks (Braun's HGH issue and Hamilton's injury proneness).

    He's pretty elite at the position, IMO.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nick Cafardo:It's time to blow up Red Sox roster : That's not his point, and how are you assuming Martinez would have gotten hurt with the Red Sox. And they have bad contracts that aren't producing. His point is it's time to dump players like Beckett, Lackey, etc., even if it means eating lots of $$$. So they don't dump them and guess what? They stink again in 2013, 2014. They are not going to get better.
    Posted by ADG[/QUOTE]

    No, that's not his point. His point is to blow up the team w/o really offering a clear plan.

    And why wouldn't Martinez have injured had he stayed with the Sox. He blew out his ACL training? So if he stayed with the Sox, the wear and tear on his ACL that made him susceptible (sp?) to a tear would magically disappear?

    He got injured training, not in some sort of play where you could say it wouldn't have happened had he been playing with a different team.

    On the other hand, yeah -- I guess you're right. He wouldn't have gotten hurt training because we all know that anyone who plays for the Sox are lazy and do not work hard.
     
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    [QUOTE]He must of read my resently bumped thread. Thanks for the re-bump Pike.  Your a good girl.
    Posted by tcal2-[/QUOTE]
     
    lol
     
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    Re: Nick Cafardo:It's time to blow up Red Sox roster

    What about trading the players who have value? Everyone suggests trades with players who are crapping the bed. E.g.: Let's trade Aviles for a starter. Who wants that? Who wants Aviles. You want specifics? Okay, Beckett and Ross for a team's top 3 pitching prospect. 
    Maybe that's laughable, but my point is trade players before they have no value (see Youk). 
     
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    Re: Nick Cafardo:It's time to blow up Red Sox roster

    A ridiculously vague article. Yes, of course there's a huge problem. Everyone knows that. BUt you don't just offer up "blow it up" without describing what you mean by that and offering potential solutions. The fact is, this team is stuck with enormous salarioes nobody wants. It's not possible to "blow it up," even if they wanted to. 

    This year you've had players like Lackey, Crawford, Youkillis, Matusaka, Beckett,  Lester, Jenks, Bailey, Bard, and Lackey costing the team abut 130 million while they either perform horribly or sit on the sidelines on the diabled list. Think of that. 130 MILLION. That's more than the entire payroll for all but a few teams in the league. 

    These signings aren't just bad decisions, they are monumentally horrific decisions that would get any basebally people in the league fired. You obviously can't hit a homerun on every free agent signing or trade acquistion but when you spend 100 million on matusaka; 154 million on adrian gonzalez; 82.5 on lackey; and a 142 million on crawford and you can't even get one of them to have an average season, let alone get an all-star appearance out of ONE of them, you are pretty much sunk. 

    But now what? Cherington inherited these problems. What can he do? They got rid of Youkillis. They sent Jenks packing (nice waste of 12 mill). Matusaka is done after this year. The major problems are then Beckett; Lackey; Lester; Gonzales; and Crawford (bailey hopefully comes back healty and bard doesn't make enough money to really hurt them as he continues to struggle in the minors - the decision to start him a bad one from the beginning). Next year these five players will account for over 85 million in salary. The only tradeable players are Lester and Gonzales. Beckett, Crawford, and Lackey are probably not - unless any or all of them come back next year and are healthy and have good seasons or half seasons and then who knows? Lackey is a possibilty only because of the injury clause that potentially makes his salary more attractive to teams (basically it'll amount to like 15 million for two years). he comes out and starts next year, wins 10 or 12 games, he might be movable. You probably ride with Gonzo and hopoe his power numbers return. What else can you do? Regardless, we're looking at eating a lot of salary in the next three to four years for players who are likely not to come close to earning their money. You pay this much for players they better be winning postseason awards. Obviously, at this point, you get an opportunity to move someone like Beckett you do so - eat money if you have to, but right now doesn't look possible. 

    Also damaging were the choices not to sign players who had done well here like VMart and Beltre, and the idea of who they passed up to sign some of these dogs. That money alone fields entire teams in MLB. 

    The good news is the sox seem to consistently come up with players who surprise (morales/nava/miller/doubront/ciraco etc.), which makes these awful signings seem even more unecessary and ill advised. 

    In the end, they may not have a choice in terms of 'blowing up" the roster. guys like ortiz and ellsbury seem headed elsewhere. what else can they do? get another shortstop? bring in another starter or two? despite the problems of players like bailey, bard, and melancon (who were supposed to be the big guys out of the pen), the bullpen certainly hasn't been the issue. the so called "role players" have certanily come through. couldn't ask much more from the rag tag collection of starters like doubront, morales, and cook. bucholtz seems to have straightened out. middleboroks has emerged as a solid player. Pedrioa has had a down year offennsively, but he's in no way the problem. Cody Ross has been fine. 

    in the end, the lesson seems to be that you can't buy championships. But the real issue is the sox and their obsession with the fake sellouts and driving people to the park. the need to keep making a splash to please the masses is what led them to make some of these moves. instead of sitting tight and letting a few of the younger players develop and trusting their scouting and development and ability to make key trades. how much different would this team be at 100 million? I'd argue they'd likely be about where they are. one can only hope these disaters will alter their stretgy aned make them think long and hard before making these kinds of move sin the future. perhaps then they can concentrate on developing talent and keeping them here (ellbury/ortiz etc.).  
     
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    Other than Middlebrooks, Barnes, Lavarnway, JBJ, Bogaerts--to get a starting pitcher:

    Trade Ortiz for prospects.

    Trade AGon for a starting  pitcher.

    Trade Pedroia for a starting pitcher.

    Trade Ells for prospects.

    Trade Salty for a prospect.

    So what do you do with a boatload of prospects--trade  them all  for Felix. Then you have the East Coast version of the Mariners.
     
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    [QUOTE]Other than Middlebrooks, Barnes, Lavarnway, JBJ, Bogaerts--to get a starting pitcher: Trade Ortiz for prospects. Trade AGon for a starting  pitcher. Trade Pedroia for a starting pitcher. Trade Ells for prospects. Trade Salty for a prospect. So what do you do with a boatload of prospects--trade  them all  for Felix. Then you have the East Coast version of the Mariners.
    Posted by MadMc44[/QUOTE]
    Do you mean a team that leads the majors in runs scored on the road?

    Here are each team's season-to-date road stats:

    BOS 46 G, .252/.308/.404/.712, 195 R, 53 HR, 181 RBI
    SEA 53 G, .255/.306/.415/.721, 258 R, 61 HR, 245 RBI
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Nick Cafardo:It's time to blow up Red Sox roster : Do you mean a team that leads the majors in runs scored on the road? Here are each team's season-to-date road stats: BOS 46 G, .252/.308/.404/.712, 195 R, 53 HR, 181 RBI SEA 53 G, .255/.306/.415/.721, 258 R, 61 HR, 245 RBI
    Posted by hill55[/QUOTE]

    Wow.  You have to admit, Hill, that's kind of shocking.  Who the heck is hitting all those HR's?  Smoak and Montero?
     
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    There is no easy solution to what this FO has done to this team...They thought throwing a bunch of $$ at the "best available" player was better than what was already working for this team the first 6-7 years? This ownership is more concerned about selling bricks and fake sellouts...What kind of principal owner comes out publicly and says I never wanted CC, but yet signs off on a 142mm contract? They blast Tito on his way out for no good reason, LL spews his lawyer talk at us like were stupid...That last letter of his was nothing short of pathetic...Maybe you can fool the pink hats LL, but not us long time fans...We won 2 championships and if this FO wasnt so worried about the "sellout" and the pink hats they would have had no problem saying were gonna stand pat and let some of our prospects develop because the players on the market dont fit this team and its philosophy, ie; CC, Lackey etc...The "fans" who just jumped on the bandwagon would not understand but those of us who have been here since waaay before 2004 would have...They chose to satisfy the pink hats and keep selling bricks, fake sellouts and anything else they could...I cringed when they signed CC and lackey...then even more when I found out how much they signed them for...Same with resigning Beckett...they went against their rule of not signing players after the season starts, which includes ST...Bottom line is now there is no quick fix except for eating a bunch of $$, trading for another bad contract at less years, Including some top prospects in a deal to get someone to take one of these bad deals, or hoping these under performing players start playing like they are capable of...One trade for a pitcher will not solve this teams problems this year...I say keep those valuable prospects and let them develop...I will continue to cheer for the Sox as I always do, but there is no doubt that they (FO) have handled the last couple years about as poorly as it could have been handled and have left this team in a bad situation...
     
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    I love Pedroia but I am not convinced he is untouchable... for the right price I would let him go.
     
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    [QUOTE]I love Pedroia but I am not convinced he is untouchable... for the right price I would let him go.
    Posted by DaBlade[/QUOTE]

    For the right price, ANY player should be available if it makes sense and makes this team a lot better...
     

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