no JBJ in the starting lineup, what does this mean?

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    Re: no JBJ in the starting lineup, what does this mean?

    It means the league is already catching up to him, and hes going to have to make adjustments. Tough lefty today too.

     
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    Re: no JBJ in the starting lineup, what does this mean?

    In response to carnie's comment:

    Offhand I'd say it means that JBJ is hitting .143 and probably needs some time at Pawtucket.




    +500 Along With Iggey.....................

     
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    In response to Flapjack07's comment:

    Does anyone know if Carp has options?



    No .. he does not

     
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    Does anyone know if Carp has options?

     



     

    No .. he does not



    Since Nava and Salty can play 1B, does it really matter?

     
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    I hope we can start more Bradley threads tomorrow...we need as many of them as possible.

     
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    In response to BostonProSportsLover's comment:

    the man was all over cc, y cant he hit the sofy wei-yon Chan? a guy like jbj neeeds some home cooking to get going.. bad move by farrell. rather u bench Gomes.. then again, thats y u got him.. but there's no ortiz to DH, i dont get this move.. really dont! 8 straight home wins should continue.. best if jbj was in there, oh well...

    Dinner is prepared.




    Make sure to share some with Softlaw and RedSoxPride.  Bon appetit!

     
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    Prediction: softy will get himself banned, come back under another name, and deny everything.

     




    yeah, today was a bad day for him. It will get worse when Drew and Papi return.

     

     




    It was fun torturing him though.

     




    And Stephen "Premium Guy" Drew went yard last night in Portland. I wonder if that will be mentioned?

     
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    Also an FYI......this was the 9th game...and his minor league service for 1 extra year of control would be over. JBJ played in 8 of them...batted .140 and other than the first game and MAYBE the second game was not really a factor in any of the games.  It was said over and over by some that we would lose a bunch of games to start the year without him.  While I was VERY happy that he made the club for the opening day I hope people (SoftGuy) has learned that ST stats is not a barometer on how the season will be and that a left fielder will not impact a game as much as solid pitching.... 

     
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    Re: no JBJ in the starting lineup, what does this mean?

    In response to moonslav59's comment:

    In response to michaelsjr's comment:

     

    In response to Flapjack07's comment:

     

    Does anyone know if Carp has options?

     



     

    No .. he does not

     



    Since Nava and Salty can play 1B, does it really matter?

     




    He appears to have no role right now, but I like him as depth with all the question marks surrounding Napoli, Papi, Gomes, etc...the option of being able to park him in Pawtucket and see if he gets hot would be nice to have. But it looks like he probably won't be around long.

     
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    In response to Flapjack07's comment:

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    In response to michaelsjr's comment:

     

    In response to Flapjack07's comment:

     

    Does anyone know if Carp has options?

     



     

    No .. he does not

     



    Since Nava and Salty can play 1B, does it really matter?

     

     




    He appears to have no role right now, but I like him as depth with all the question marks surrounding Napoli, Papi, Gomes, etc...the option of being able to park him in Pawtucket and see if he gets hot would be nice to have. But it looks like he probably won't be around long.

     




    Carp is the 25th man and will probably be used very sparingly...

     
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    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    I remember when Nava hit the grand slam in his first AB. I also remember what kind of player he was, before, and after. Bench guy before, and bench guy after, with an option.




    "Nave and Gomes turn an outstanding defensive OF into a weak defensive OF. The notion that these bench guys can produce at the plate enough to offset that is utterly absurd."

     

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    I remember when Nava hit the grand slam in his first AB. I also remember what kind of player he was, before, and after. Bench guy before, and bench guy after, with an option.

     




    "Nave and Gomes turn an outstanding defensive OF into a weak defensive OF. The notion that these bench guys can produce at the plate enough to offset that is utterly absurd."

     

     

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    In response to Kingface12's comment:

    Also an FYI......this was the 9th game...and his minor league service for 1 extra year of control would be over. JBJ played in 8 of them...batted .140 and other than the first game and MAYBE the second game was not really a factor in any of the games.  It was said over and over by some that we would lose a bunch of games to start the year without him.  While I was VERY happy that he made the club for the opening day I hope people (SoftGuy) has learned that ST stats is not a barometer on how the season will be and that a left fielder will not impact a game as much as solid pitching.... 



    Maybe he made a big difference in 1-2 games, but Nava won one game pretty much by himself, so I'd call it close to even on the plus/minus scale. Now, we have to lose JBJ for 20 days minimum to get that year of control.

    Hmmm...

     
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    Re: no JBJ in the starting lineup, what does this mean?

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    Maybe he made a big difference in 1-2 games, but Nava won one game pretty much by himself,

    For someone who said, over and over, to start Bradley in the minors, it must be difficult to use words like "maybe" and "Nava pretty much by himself" in jumping back on the "let's save a year of control and go with Gomes and Nava in LF".

    When you use "maybe big difference" and "pretty much by himself" you are the intellectual midget that I know  you are.

    In 6 games, Bradley's OBP and defnese is exactly what he showed in spring training. Nothing has changed, but this Board keeps repeating his 6 day BA and ignores his OBP. There are several active roster members with sub-.200 BA who aren't slugging and who are lousy defenders.

    At the end of the day, over the season, Nava and Gomes are bench guys who are terrible defensive player. The spin attempt going now is what it was this spring, the claim that demoting Bradley won't matter in the W/L column and/or that the Red Sox need to focus on what might happen a half a decade from now.

    Bradley's presence is both defensive and energy and leadership. When he's sent back to the minors for bean counting and "needs a few more weeks or month or more in the minors to work on the weaknesses that caused him to be unable to handle MLB pitching in 6 games", this team will be adversely impacted in winning percentage.

    Consistent with this motives behind the mishandling of Bradley will be the gifting of the starting SS job to "premium guy". There is no way that S. Drew can provide the overall skills that Iglesias provides, in the starting SS position.

    It's one thing to use Nava off the bench, it's entirely another to take one HR and pretend that Gomes and Nava are the better roster answer for LF.

    Red Sox managment is getting ready to break something that wasn't broken, as only the can do. That will start with the two Mickey Mouse roster moves that are coming up and which I've been denouncing since spring training.



    Don't forget to revisit your prediction above. If you don't, I will. I don't see the same dark future as you if and when the kids are sent down. I enjoy seeing them play, and would like to see them be given an extended chance to prove themselves. But it's too early to know how much their play has really impacted the winning percentage. Quality pitching has had a major impact so far.

     
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    Re: no JBJ in the starting lineup, what does this mean?

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    . But it's too early to know how much their play has really impacted the winning percentage. Quality pitching has had a major impact so far.

    In fact, as always, pitching is overrated and positional team defense is underrated. Team confidence is real, and Bradley's defense in Game 1 of the season was the defining moment of that game. It had a direct impace on the winning percentage. Both players have changed the character of a team that has been a very bad defensive team for many years.

    Managment is incompetent and is looking away from what Bradley and Iggy do on the defensive side of the ball to impact the pitching, and looking towards slugging in the form of S. Drew and Nava and Gomes. It is a mistake.



    A lesser skilled defender in left would have been playing much deeper on that play, making it close to a routine flyout.....just saying. 

     
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    Re: no JBJ in the starting lineup, what does this mean?

    In response to softlaw2's comment:

    Neither Nava or Gomes, "playing deeper" makes that play. The ball was scorched and knuckling and the slow Nava and Gomes would have had to make that catch over their shoulder.

    But keep working on convincing yourself that Nava and Gomes just play deeper and make that play and provide such good slugging that they offer more than Bradley does.




    Nava has won just as many games for the Sox as JBJ, this year.

    Sorry, them's the facts.

    If one JBJ play is important, so is one game-winning 3 run jack.

     
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    Neither Nava or Gomes, "playing deeper" makes that play. The ball was scorched and knuckling and the slow Nava and Gomes would have had to make that catch over their shoulder.

    But keep working on convincing yourself that Nava and Gomes just play deeper and make that play and provide such good slugging that they offer more than Bradley does.

     




    Nava has won just as many games for the Sox as JBJ, this year.

     

    Sorry, them's the facts.

    If one JBJ play is important, so is one game-winning 3 run jack.



    not when it interferes with Softy's warped point of view it isn't

     
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    In response to ThefourBs' comment:

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    Neither Nava or Gomes, "playing deeper" makes that play. The ball was scorched and knuckling and the slow Nava and Gomes would have had to make that catch over their shoulder.

    But keep working on convincing yourself that Nava and Gomes just play deeper and make that play and provide such good slugging that they offer more than Bradley does.

     




    Nava has won just as many games for the Sox as JBJ, this year.

     

    Sorry, them's the facts.

    If one JBJ play is important, so is one game-winning 3 run jack.



    Nava has done more to help the team win games than JBJ.. playing in less games too.

    FWIW Navas WAR through 4 games is .5

    JBJ through 6 is -0.1

    Nava also has 0 strikeouts and is drawing walks at the same clip as JBJ (17.6 to 18.5 respectively). So yes, as soon as Papi returns JBJ will be sent back down and Gomes/Nava takes over LF duties and will continue to outproduce JBJ.

     
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    Re: no JBJ in the starting lineup, what does this mean?

    In response to softlaw2's comment:
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    Not hard to "outproduce" a player not on the active roster.

    The butcher OF of Gomes and Nava will produce less, overall, than the talant and skill that Bradley brings to both sides of the baseball game.

    Not in 2013. If one of them is already outproducing JBJ what happens when you add in the other? a big boost in production over JBJ.

    Gomes and Nava are career back bench guys, for a reason. In a bench role, they are useful. Starting the next 155 games will expose these two bench guys. Defensively, they should not spend much time in the OF, and that means not "taking over LF" for 155 games. 

    that would apply if they were FT guys.. they are not. They will be platooning LF and will likely make the LF position one of the top offensive productions on the team. Nava is a solid defender and Gomes will do fine playing in fenways small LF. Luckily we have 2 other GG OF'ers so when we go to parks with bigger OFs they can give Gomes help and limit the area he would need to cover. Effectively limiting the damage his "butchering" could cause.

     
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