Re: No team has Ellsbury as their
posted at 12/3/2013 1:18 AM EST
In response to moonslav59's comment:
Ok, fair enough. Maybe it's just me, but I just don't see the point of posting something over and over again that has zero chance of ever happening.
It's just one possible solution to the contract crunch. I post it, because I like it. However, I am not trying to imply I am smarter than Ben or that Ben is not a good GM, because he does not agree with me.
By the way, Boegarts has been a shortstop his entire life, so it's pretty safe to say that SS is his "true" position at this point.
Many players come up as a SS and end up at 2B, 3B or elsewhere.
You're in the minority as far as people thinking he can stick there, but keep posting the "musical chairs" infield theory, and again, there is no chance of this happening.
Virtually every scouting report I have read on Bogey mentions him moving to another position to some extent. Usually when you read that, it is code for saying he is not a plus or may never be a plus defender at his current defender.
Maybe I am in a minority on this board, but almost all the reports I have read have at least paid hommage to the idea of moving him, so I wouldn't say I am all by myself out here. Also, Middy's defensive struggles in 2013 is also a factor in suggesting this plan. An average 3Bman can often become a plus 1Bman is a short time.
If you are going to create a "realistic" thread, shouldn't you try to post things that have at least a "chance" of being "somewhat realistic?"
This isn't the "realistic thread", but I do think my plan will happen someday, just not 2014. I have mentioned this plan on my thread, because I do think the idea has merit, I just do not think Ben is looking at this option to start 2014. I honestly think Bogey will be at another position by 2016, or he will still be a below average fielding SS that will most likely more than make up for that deficiency by being a big offensive plus. However, he'd be a big offensive plus at 3b as well, and the disparity between the average offense from the SS position and 3B position has been narrowing over the decades, so the positional advantage of having a big O guy at SS is diminishing over this era.
I also remember many poster criticizing me last winter for suggesting we start giving Bogey time at 3B in AAA this year. As it turned out, he was forced to learn it at the MLB level in the midst of a playoff run. My guess is, you'd have told me what you are telling me now last winter, and look what happened.
What if Middy struggles mightily again to start 2014? It may be easier to find a cheap SS than a decent 3bman. What if we decide to go with Carp and Nava at 1B, and they stink or get hurt? Is it totally inconceivable to you that we do musical chaors again in 2014? For the love of God, we moved one of the best fielding SSs I have ever seen to 3B (Iggy), so I don't think it is totally outlandish to think Bogey could end up at 3B this year. I seriously doubt it is Ben's winter plan, but it is not a complete zero percent chance.
I don't think you understood my post. I never said that there was a zero chance of Bogaerts ever playing 3rd, or even playing there this year. I said there was "zero chance" that they "platoon Middlebrooks" or implement a "musical chairs infield." They would never even consider it to start the season, but if a bunch of guys get hurt or slump miserably, then you obviously have to adjust on the fly, as they did last year.
To say that "Middlebrooks platooning against lefties at 1st is about what he has earned at this point" is comical. Just because "you" have never been high on him, you think that the organization should hinder his development. That's "realistic" to you? You obviously value shortstops who can play defense, which I understand, but I can tell you for a fact that right handed power like Middlebrooks possesses is a lot more difficult to find these days than a great defensive SS. Time will tell how his career plays out, but I'm pretty sure that he won't be a "platoon player" anytime soon.
You also didn't have Bogaerts in "your" top 4 Sox prospects going into last year, even though you would've been hard pressed to find a scout who didn't think he was the most talented player in the system by far. I'm not saying Boegarts/Middlebrooks will be the SS/3B combination for the next decade, and there is a possibility that they both won't even be there to start the season, I'm just saying that they are two young talented players who won't be bouncing around the infield anytime soon, and barring injury, both will be starting somewhere and playing one position.