Not a great start for Doubront

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    Doubront has a shoulder strain. Will not throw for a week. How does a guy come into camp and have a shoulder issue?

     
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    He tweaked it throwing at camp on the day he arrive. He also double his highest amount of total innings which is never ideal.

     
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    Farrell said he was little bit aggresive on long throws.  I think he will be fine.

     
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    Cue Franklin Morales

     
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    Manager Edward Smith says it is no big deal - full steam ahead Sox fans!

     
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    Dear Red Sox,

    If you need any pitching help, please give me a call.

    Sincerely,

    Kyle Lohse and his agent, Scott Boras

    LOL

     
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    Wowzers.  Some of you are a rabid pack of dogs waiting for any scrap of neagtive meat to chew on.  Guys over-throwing or tweaking something in the first days of camp are hardly news.  And, since the gear up is so slow at this point, coaches are over cautious and say things like "he'll be out for a week or two" for a hangnail.  

     
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    Wowzers.  Some of you are a rabid pack of dogs waiting for any scrap of neagtive meat to chew on.  Guys over-throwing or tweaking something in the first days of camp are hardly news.  And, since the gear up is so slow at this point, coaches are over cautious and say things like "he'll be out for a week or two" for a hangnail.  




    not to mention its an extended camp because of the WBC..

    this is hardly an issue. the team assigned him a throwing program to do over the offseason, he completed it. He experienced some discomfort during long toss, not the end of the world. If he tore something on the other hand then we can start crying. but until then SHUUUUT UUUUP!

     
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    makes you wonder about their committment to conditioning and their constitution...

     

     
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    makes you wonder about their committment to conditioning and their constitution...

     



    I stubbed my toe yesterday.  Do you question my conditioning and my constitution?

     
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    Hopefully Valentine didn't do any damage him with overuse.

     
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    Hopefully Valentine didn't do any damage him with overuse.

     




     

     

     

     

    Overuse?

    150 IP......

    pls



    yes overuse. that is twice as many innings as he's ever pitched before..

     
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    Doubront has a shoulder strain. Will not throw for a week. How does a guy come into camp and have a shoulder issue?



    See Pineda

     
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    two days, two pitchers down with strains..impressive...meanwhile excusemakers are saying Doubront has never pitched so many innings before..161

     

    he's 25 years old...

     

    Bob Feller at 22  ...320 innings...and he threw a lil harder than our porcelain dolls...the next year his arm was so tired that he only pitched 345 innings

     

    bootlickingly inane

     
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    two days, two pitchers down with strains..impressive...meanwhile excusemakers are saying Doubront has never pitched so many innings before..161

     

    he's 22 years old...

     

    Bob Feller at 22  ...320 innings...and he threw a lil harder than our porcelain dolls...the next year his arm was so tired that he only pitched 345 innings

     

    bootlickingly inane



    oy vay

     

     
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    old school space....less coddling...make them go out and get their kinks out!

     
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    Hopefully Valentine didn't do any damage him with overuse.

     




     

     

     

     

    Overuse?

    150 IP......

    pls



    Rule of 30.  You aren't supposed to exceed you previous year by more than 30 innings.  He had 105 and 88 in the previous two years.  I didn't see any reason to push him to 161.  He seems strong enough, but it was an unnecessary risk.

     
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    makes you wonder about their committment to conditioning and their constitution...

     



    Do you even know what part of the shoulder is hurt?

     
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    "ADG" still going strong with his inane negative threads. Some things never change.

    And don't expect him to discuss anything in his own threads. He just likes to start the negative conversations, and everyone just follows along.

     
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    Rule of 30.  You aren't supposed to exceed you previous year by more than 30 innings.  He had 105 and 88 in the previous two years.  I didn't see any reason to push him to 161.  He seems strong enough, but it was an unnecessary risk.

     



    Nonsense, it's all about the % increase.

    Big difference.

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    The 30 inning rule is the one used by Verducci.  Maybe you should expand on your comments a little. 

     
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    Rule of 30.  You aren't supposed to exceed you previous year by more than 30 innings.  He had 105 and 88 in the previous two years.  I didn't see any reason to push him to 161.  He seems strong enough, but it was an unnecessary risk.

     

     



    Nonsense, it's all about the % increase.

     

    Big difference.



    The 30 inning rule is the one used by Verducci.  Maybe you should expand on your comments a little. 

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    Basically when a player is drafted out of HS they typically throw about 100 innings..Out of college most of the top staters ave right around 120...the rule of thumb is to add 20-30 innings each year thereafter with the goal of them reaching the 150-160 innings by year three and then eclipsing the 180 innings plateau in thier rookie season in the bigs. Then 200 thereafter. That's ideal blueprint it allows them to build thier arm strength incrementaly year over year to ready themselves for a major league workload.

    There are exceptions to the rule. But, in almost all cases where teams try to stretch a guy out and pile on innings to early, they almost always end with the player on the DL or pitching with an injury. Due to his trying to pitch through fatigue. Think of it as a marathon runner...you don't start training to be a marathoner with a 26 mile run, you build endurance incrementally with 5 mile runs where you learn to pace yourself then you gradually add more miles while maintaining your pace...

    Here's the rule of thumb for all pitchers at the begining of camp and deuring the season. They're told at every level that they alone know the difference between pain and soreness...Before and during thier wamrups, if they're sore and can't get loose, shut it down...if they have accute pain in the shoulder, forearm or elbow, shut it down and don't even try to get loose and talk to the team trainers. Between now and the start of the season every one of the pitchers will wake up one morning sore from the previous days throwing session. Most of them started throwing at the begining of January in earnest for the start of the year and as such all of them need to build arm strength back to the point where they can do long toss without getting sore a process that will take a few weeks..

     
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    Hopefully Valentine didn't do any damage him with overuse.

     




     

     

     

     

    Overuse?

    150 IP......

    pls

     



    yes overuse. that is twice as many innings as he's ever pitched before..

     

     




    No, its twice as much as the year before. Hes thrown 120+ innings one year

    Until the Sox say theres something to worry about, then theres nothing to worry about. Although when I saw a vid of Doubie throwing in camp he looked to have a little gut there.

    I really hope hes taking his offseason training very seriously unlike coming into the 2011 season where he was a fat, slow mess and got hurt.

     

     
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