Not a great start for Doubront

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    Re: Not a great start for Doubront

    "ADG" still going strong with his inane negative threads. Some things never change.

    And don't expect him to discuss anything in his own threads. He just likes to start the negative conversations, and everyone just follows along.

     
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    Rule of 30.  You aren't supposed to exceed you previous year by more than 30 innings.  He had 105 and 88 in the previous two years.  I didn't see any reason to push him to 161.  He seems strong enough, but it was an unnecessary risk.

     



    Nonsense, it's all about the % increase.

    Big difference.

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    The 30 inning rule is the one used by Verducci.  Maybe you should expand on your comments a little. 

     
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    Rule of 30.  You aren't supposed to exceed you previous year by more than 30 innings.  He had 105 and 88 in the previous two years.  I didn't see any reason to push him to 161.  He seems strong enough, but it was an unnecessary risk.

     

     



    Nonsense, it's all about the % increase.

     

    Big difference.



    The 30 inning rule is the one used by Verducci.  Maybe you should expand on your comments a little. 

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    Basically when a player is drafted out of HS they typically throw about 100 innings..Out of college most of the top staters ave right around 120...the rule of thumb is to add 20-30 innings each year thereafter with the goal of them reaching the 150-160 innings by year three and then eclipsing the 180 innings plateau in thier rookie season in the bigs. Then 200 thereafter. That's ideal blueprint it allows them to build thier arm strength incrementaly year over year to ready themselves for a major league workload.

    There are exceptions to the rule. But, in almost all cases where teams try to stretch a guy out and pile on innings to early, they almost always end with the player on the DL or pitching with an injury. Due to his trying to pitch through fatigue. Think of it as a marathon runner...you don't start training to be a marathoner with a 26 mile run, you build endurance incrementally with 5 mile runs where you learn to pace yourself then you gradually add more miles while maintaining your pace...

    Here's the rule of thumb for all pitchers at the begining of camp and deuring the season. They're told at every level that they alone know the difference between pain and soreness...Before and during thier wamrups, if they're sore and can't get loose, shut it down...if they have accute pain in the shoulder, forearm or elbow, shut it down and don't even try to get loose and talk to the team trainers. Between now and the start of the season every one of the pitchers will wake up one morning sore from the previous days throwing session. Most of them started throwing at the begining of January in earnest for the start of the year and as such all of them need to build arm strength back to the point where they can do long toss without getting sore a process that will take a few weeks..

     
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    Hopefully Valentine didn't do any damage him with overuse.

     




     

     

     

     

    Overuse?

    150 IP......

    pls

     



    yes overuse. that is twice as many innings as he's ever pitched before..

     

     




    No, its twice as much as the year before. Hes thrown 120+ innings one year

    Until the Sox say theres something to worry about, then theres nothing to worry about. Although when I saw a vid of Doubie throwing in camp he looked to have a little gut there.

    I really hope hes taking his offseason training very seriously unlike coming into the 2011 season where he was a fat, slow mess and got hurt.

     

     
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    two days, two pitchers down with strains..impressive...meanwhile excusemakers are saying Doubront has never pitched so many innings before..161

     

    he's 25 years old...

     

    Bob Feller at 22  ...320 innings...and he threw a lil harder than our porcelain dolls...the next year his arm was so tired that he only pitched 345 innings

     

    bootlickingly inane



    Documented evidence that you should only pitch at most 35% more than the year before. It is not the total innings it is the increase of innings that is the issue.

     
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    two days, two pitchers down with strains..impressive...meanwhile excusemakers are saying Doubront has never pitched so many innings before..161

     

    he's 25 years old...

     

    Bob Feller at 22  ...320 innings...and he threw a lil harder than our porcelain dolls...the next year his arm was so tired that he only pitched 345 innings

     

    bootlickingly inane



    a) Don't you think maybe Bob Feller was a rare physical specimen, like Nolan Ryan, whose arm could tolerate that kind of stress.

    b) How about we put together a list of young pitchers whose careers were cut short by arm injuries.  Take a look at the 1980 Oakland A's managed by Billy Martin.  He ruined a bunch of young pitchers' arms in the same year.  You can probably thank Billy for the innings limits pitchers have now.

     
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    ADG starts another thread by going to the mountain top with his megaphone and proclaiming a FALSE CONCERN. This is ADG's act here. He starts such threads and never returns. His motive is to create negativity and conflict. It works every time.

     



    While I believe with 99+% certainty you & kim aren't the same, you make a pretty good case for it. You both even reappear at the same time. I'll stick with the 99% conviction regardless.

     

     
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    old school space....less coddling...make them go out and get their kinks out!

     



    Now, had you said this, I would have dug your comment.  I personally agree.  More throwing, less tip-toeing.  Hard to compare across eras.  But, I tend to agree that pitchers are coddled now to a degree that actually keeps them from reaching potential, and also may make them more suceptible to injury.

     

    My oy vay was towards your really annpying incessant use of this 'boot-licker' nonsense and your incessant dull slamming.  It is not interesting and makes you very unlikeable.  So, oy vay.

     
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    old school space....less coddling...make them go out and get their kinks out!

     



    Now, had you said this, I would have dug your comment.  I personally agree.  More throwing, less tip-toeing.  Hard to compare across eras.  But, I tend to agree that pitchers are coddled now to a degree that actually keeps them from reaching potential, and also may make them more suceptible to injury.

     

    My oy vay was towards your really annpying incessant use of this 'boot-licker' nonsense and your incessant dull slamming.  It is not interesting and makes you very unlikeable.  So, oy vay.




    sorry if that offends you - but it really pales in comparison to the personal attacks some of us recieve daily for simply stating our opinions honestly....its funny that you are offended by that more...

     
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    In response to georom4's comment:

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    old school space....less coddling...make them go out and get their kinks out!

     



    Now, had you said this, I would have dug your comment.  I personally agree.  More throwing, less tip-toeing.  Hard to compare across eras.  But, I tend to agree that pitchers are coddled now to a degree that actually keeps them from reaching potential, and also may make them more suceptible to injury.

     

    My oy vay was towards your really annpying incessant use of this 'boot-licker' nonsense and your incessant dull slamming.  It is not interesting and makes you very unlikeable.  So, oy vay.

     




    sorry if that offends you - but it really pales in comparison to the personal attacks some of us recieve daily for simply stating our opinions honestly....its funny that you are offended by that more...

     



    No.  what i find obnoxious is when you say you are just "stating your opinions honestly" when you qualify every potential response to said opinion with "boot-lickers this and boot-lickers that".  I am not offended by it.  But it is obnoxious and mean-spirited.  You shouldn't pretend like you are good-natured, just-shooting-from-the-hip when you inset derogatory epithets in all you posts.

    If you took that name-calling out of your posts I wouldn't care.  I would just good-naturedly take you to task for your general negativity.  But, quite honestly, I guess it bothers me because I like(d) you and I thought this feeling was reciprocal.  

    The personal attacks you are talking about are in response to your choice of verbiage which, whether you realize or not, personally attacks.

     
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