1. Do they Bring back Papi? It was far-fetched to think they would bring back both, but with that 50 million saved is there now money for David? I say yes. Then move on from Beltran and find a less expensive RH bat for the OF.
2. Who is the closer? Madson would seem to be available. He is younger and likely less expensive than Bell. Perhaps they target "set up" types and move Bard to closer. If Papelbon is worth 12 than Madson is about 10, maybe they bring him in for 3/30ish. Bell's age scares me on anything longer than 3 years but he will cost Papelbon money.
Now that Paps is gone
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Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 3:17 PM EST
- Thesemenarecowards
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Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 3:23 PM EST
- georom4
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Excellent...next is Papi
then Tek
Wake
Drew is history
trade Youk and Josh
and start the season with hungrier, younger players with our star studs of Ells, Pedey, Lester, Bard, and Agon to anchor the team....i Like this Ben C already! -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 3:25 PM EST
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Let papi and tek go next. I could go either way with wake. Target SP hard now. I like buerle, madsen, and beltran(or ross). Then a trade for a second SP. -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 3:31 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone:Let papi and tek go next. I could go either way with wake. Target SP hard now. I like buerle, madsen, and beltran(or ross). Then a trade for a second SP.
Posted by adam4522
I agree that pitching depth is and has been the top priority. With Paps gone, they need another 8th or 9th inning arm. A lot depends on what they intend to do Aceves.
Buehlre is certainly worth a look. He will be 33 when next year begins and has logged a lot of innings for a decade now but if the contract is right, he could be a great guy, LH, to solidfy the rotation next year. -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 3:34 PM EST
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I don't think they should drop free agent money on Madsen. Bard is just as good and has proven he can pitch in Boston. Bell? OK, but I would rather those funds be used on a starter(s) and/or set-up guy (cheaper) and/or right fielder and/or the 2013 bumper crop. Lets see what D. Bard can do. -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 3:35 PM EST
- joshm5691
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maybe they can take a flyer on Matt Young? He is the only one worse at holding runners on than Pap......Pap could atleast throw to 1b. -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 3:38 PM EST
- RSF4Life234
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In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone:Excellent...next is Papi then Tek Wake Drew is history trade Youk and Josh and start the season with hungrier, younger players with our star studs of Ells, Pedey, Lester, Bard, and Agon to anchor the team....i Like this Ben C already!
Posted by georom4
Beckett is a better pitcher then Lester and the the best Pitcher on the team, but hey lets trade him for a bag of balls... Dont ever apply to be a GM -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 3:41 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone:I don't think they should drop free agent money on Madsen. Bard is just as good and has proven he can pitch in Boston. Bell? OK, but I would rather those funds be used on a starter(s) and/or set-up guy (cheaper) and/or right fielder and/or the 2013 bumper crop. Lets see what D. Bard can do.
Posted by SpacemanEephus
I agree that the closers on the market are not particularly attractive and I agree that Bard can likely handle 9th inning duties BUT they still need someone for the 8th. I'm a firm believer that in current ML baseball where a starter is lucky to pitch into the 7th, you need at minimum 2 "closer" types for the 8th and 9th. So if Bard is moved to closer, who is the 2012 version of the 2010-2011 Bard? -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 3:48 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone:In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone : I agree that the closers on the market are not particularly attractive and I agree that Bard can likely handle 9th inning duties BUT they still need someone for the 8th. I'm a firm believer that in current ML baseball where a starter is lucky to pitch into the 7th, you need at minimum 2 "closer" types for the 8th and 9th. So if Bard is moved to closer, who is the 2012 version of the 2010-2011 Bard?
Posted by ThesemenarecowardsYes, this is indeed the rub. Who is the 2010-2011 D. Bard if D. Bard is the new papelbon? Jenks? hahaha. HAHAHAHA. oyyyy. meh. -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 3:54 PM EST
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Papi was a good DH last year - he had an excellent year. I'd like to see him back.
Who is going to be a more productive DH? -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 3:55 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone:In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone : Yes, this is indeed the rub. Who is the 2010-2011 D. Bard if D. Bard is the new papelbon? Jenks? hahaha. HAHAHAHA. oyyyy. meh.
Posted by SpacemanEephus
Aceves? -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 3:57 PM EST
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Relief pitchers are typically terrible investments, that's why you need to develop them from within. I wouldn't suggest giving big money to any of the other potential closers out there. I'd be especially scared of Bell. He's a fly ball pitcher in a weak division with 1/2 of his games at the cavernous PetCo Park -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 4:03 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone:Relief pitchers are typically terrible investments, that's why you need to develop them from within. I wouldn't suggest giving big money to any of the other potential closers out there. I'd be especially scared of Bell. He's a fly ball pitcher in a weak division with 1/2 of his games at the cavernous PetCo Park
Posted by siestafiesta
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Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 4:04 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone:In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone : Beckett is a better pitcher then Lester and the the best Pitcher on the team, but hey lets trade him for a bag of balls... Dont ever apply to be a GM
Posted by RSF4Life234
if you think Lardazz Josh is better than Lester the last three years then you need meds...'nuff said.... -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 4:05 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone:Papi was a good DH last year - he had an excellent year. I'd like to see him back. Who is going to be a more productive DH?
Posted by Schumpeters-Ghost
Good question..I think the correct answer is the guy who replaces him and can actually play the field and leg out all hits...(and not harass the manager over rbis)
Buh-Bye Papi.... -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 4:11 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone:In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone : Good question..I think the correct answer is the guy who replaces him and can actually play the field and leg out all hits...(and not harass the manager over rbis) Buh-Bye Papi....
Posted by georom4
This is an over-simplification. You can dislike Papi all you want and make sound arguments as to why he should not be brought back (age, $$, etc...) but 30 HR and .400 OBP guys are rare. So it is a valid question to ask who will begin to replace that level of production. -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 4:13 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone:In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone : Aceves?
Posted by ThesemenarecowardsPerhaps. But, if he is not going to the rotation (a move i have been a vocal proponent of, but now reconsider as Pap's departure does thin out an already thin pen), I would really like to keep Aceves in his current invaluable role as Funk Master Flex able to get one or two key outs or go 4-5 innings if necessary. -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 4:21 PM EST
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Heres a thought. Aceves deserves a bigger role with this team. He has shown the durability to pitch day in and day out. Does anyone else see him possibly taken on a set-up man role behind Bard?Could be just as effective as bard/paps at a fraction of the cost and we would save the draft pick of signing a big name reliever.Not that I'm against going after a Bell type closer, just saying....thats all. -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 4:26 PM EST
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sign uehara and cordero, bring back wheeler. bard as closer.
good job, paps, good luck in philly. -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 4:28 PM EST
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Papelbon was making 12 Million a year and signs for 4 years/50 million and a 5th year that will vest and take it to 60 million..
at 4 and 50 that 12.500.000. He wasn't worth a 500K raise to the Sox ?? -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 4:33 PM EST
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In Response to Re: Now that Paps is gone:sign uehara and cordero, bring back wheeler. bard as closer. good job, paps, good luck in philly.
Posted by 3run_bombAmen to that 3-bomb. Amidst all the good move/bad move debate, great to just recognize a Sox legend and wish him well. -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 4:35 PM EST
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thats ok, the RS can finish in 3rd place without him, now lets get rid of ortiz, tec, wakefield, -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 4:46 PM EST
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Bard had a 1.44 ERA with Varitek last year and a 4.54 ERA with Salty, so if we get rid of Varitek things will be even more exciting for Bard. -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 4:59 PM EST
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Bard not a closer. Get Bell or Valverde. -
Re: Now that Paps is gone
posted at 11/11/2011 5:00 PM EST
- RedSoxFan2OO4
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Cordero is on the market who has been extremely underrated his entire career. Why don't we go for him? Try to get 2 years 16-20mil