NYTimes: Two Gambles on Outfielder​s, but One Costs Millions More

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    NYTimes: Two Gambles on Outfielder​s, but One Costs Millions More

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    Re: NYTimes: Two Gambles on Outfielder​s, but One Costs Millions More

    Good read, J-BAY. The Sox took a gamble, sure, but IMO it's a low risk one. The line in the story about which of Ellsbury's years would be better - the last seven with The Sox or the next seven that he's signed with The Yankees, bet on The Sox. I think that sums it up pretty well.

     
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    Re: NYTimes: Two Gambles on Outfielder​s, but One Costs Millions More

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    Good read, J-BAY. The Sox took a gamble, sure, but IMO it's a low risk one. The line in the story about which of Ellsbury's years would be better - the last seven with The Sox or the next seven that he's signed with The Yankees, bet on The Sox. I think that sums it up pretty well.

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    Really  how's that ? what am I missing

    while most likely true

    I see no value in that statement

    so many talk about how the older FA isn't as good as he once was

    so what ! they won't be playing against each other

    the question is how does the player today compare to other players

    not compared 2 the younger version of himself

     
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    Re: NYTimes: Two Gambles on Outfielder​s, but One Costs Millions More

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    Really  how's that ? what am I missing

     

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    Arod, texiera, CC.....

     
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    Really  how's that ? what am I missing

     

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    Arod, texiera, CC.....

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    still not seeing the point of the comparison slash

    the question isn't how those guys compare to their younger selves

    it's how they compare to the other options out there

    many times the older player is still better than

    many others at that position

     
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    Really  how's that ? what am I missing

     

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    Arod, texiera, CC.....

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    still not seeing the point of the comparison slash

    the question isn't how those guys compare to their younger selves

    it's how they compare to the other options out there

    many times the older player is still better than

    many others at that position

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    ok.  tracking with you.  ells may be the wrong one for your example.  his game (and i think you will agree!) is completely based on speed.  do you expect him to not lose a step or two over the next 3 or 4 years (let alone 7 years)?  i would guess there will be a few (or more) CF's putting up better #'s then.

     
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    Re: NYTimes: Two Gambles on Outfielder​s, but One Costs Millions More

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    In response to antibody's comment:
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    Good read, J-BAY. The Sox took a gamble, sure, but IMO it's a low risk one. The line in the story about which of Ellsbury's years would be better - the last seven with The Sox or the next seven that he's signed with The Yankees, bet on The Sox. I think that sums it up pretty well.



    Really  how's that ? what am I missing

    while most likely true

    I see no value in that statement

    so many talk about how the older FA isn't as good as he once was

    so what ! they won't be playing against each other

    the question is how does the player today compare to other players

    not compared 2 the younger version of himself

    [/QUOTE] fwiw... the exact quote was "take the Red Sox years"..


     
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    Re: NYTimes: Two Gambles on Outfielder​s, but One Costs Millions More

    ok.  tracking with you.  ells may be the wrong one for your example.  his game (and i think you will agree!) is completely based on speed. 

    not being a smartarse here

    but I'm not ready to agree w/ ''completely based on speed

    do you expect him to not lose a step or two over the next 3 or 4 years (let alone 7 years)?

    I'll agree he / all players will lose something

      i would guess there will be a few (or more) CF's putting up better #'s then.

    yes and now U R finally getting to the/my point

    how the older player compares to the other player in X yrs

    has nothing to do with how he compares  the younger version of himself

    i would guess there will be a few (or more) CF's putting up better #'s then.

    if he can even play CF at that point

    but it doesn't automatically mean he can't be a good player

    U don't need an AS at every position

     
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    Re: NYTimes: Two Gambles on Outfielder​s, but One Costs Millions More

    after watching him play in every game he was able to over the course of 6+ years i can tell you that his game is based entirely on speed.  you will find out for yourself over the next 7 years i suppose. 

     
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    Re: NYTimes: Two Gambles on Outfielder​s, but One Costs Millions More

    I would say in the long run the Yankess will have overpaid for Ellsbury, but that said , early indications are that the Sox offense is missing that Lead off hitter ingredient.....being a lead off hitter is not as easy as it seems and Ells was/is a real good one, so for now we miss him....but if you look at the team long term, etting him walk for that money willend up being the right move.

     
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    after watching him play in every game he was able to over the course of 6+ years i can tell you that his game is based entirely on speed.  you will find out for yourself over the next 7 years i suppose. 

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    Looks like he's already lost a step.

     
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    after watching him play in every game he was able to over the course of 6+ years i can tell you that his game is based entirely on speed.  you will find out for yourself over the next 7 years i suppose. 

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    Looks like he's already lost a step.

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    ha ha

    so did ichiro

    but they both made a nice late inning catch last night

     
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    after watching him play in every game he was able to over the course of 6+ years i can tell you that his game is based entirely on speed.  you will find out for yourself over the next 7 years i suppose. 




    Looks like he's already lost a step.

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    ha ha

    so did ichiro

    but they both made a nice late inning catch last night

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          "both made a nice late inning catch last night"

             Yes they did.

             Ichiro success which was hinted here for Ell's centered around speed early on in his career.

             He made have lost a step but experience sometimes takes its place.

             My point is Ell's still has speed which compensates for poor routes to balls. Perhaps that will improve when he loses a step and the end result will be a wash.

            Ell's at 38 years old will still be faster than Nava is now.

            

     
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    Re: NYTimes: Two Gambles on Outfielder​s, but One Costs Millions More

    GM HH

     

    "both made a nice late inning catch last night"

             Yes they did.

             Ichiro success which was hinted here for Ell's centered around speed early on in his career.

             He made have lost a step but experience sometimes takes its place.

     

    yup that's how I look at it

    I have 2

             My point is Ell's still has speed which compensates for poor routes to balls. Perhaps that will improve when he loses a step and the end result will be a wash.

            Ell's at 38 years old will still be faster than Nova is now.

    lol

     

     
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    GM HH

     

    "both made a nice late inning catch last night"

             Yes they did.

             Ichiro success which was hinted here for Ell's centered around speed early on in his career.

             He made have lost a step but experience sometimes takes its place.

     

    yup that's how I look at it

    I have 2

             My point is Ell's still has speed which compensates for poor routes to balls. Perhaps that will improve when he loses a step and the end result will be a wash.

            Ell's at 38 years old will still be faster than Nova is now.

    lol

     

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          GM Zac,

               Have a great day.

              Mid 70's predicted here so I'am off a little fun.

            

     
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    Re: NYTimes: Two Gambles on Outfielder​s, but One Costs Millions More

    Didn't read the article, but can tell you it's a false comparison.  Virtually no gamble by the Sox on Sizemore.  The gamble was and is Bradley, not Sizemore, who was simply a smart acquisition as a hedge against the other gamble on Bradley.

    Cash ain't stupid.  The Yankees can afford that ridiculous salary for Ellsbury, who overall is a pretty good centerfielder with a so-so or worse arm, blinding speed, and a pretty good bat.  Their problem was they didn't want to get held up for a ridiculous amount of money for Cano, so they opted for a different look and less money for Jacoby. 

    Ben C ain't stupid either.  No way his boss, John Henry, was going to let him spend $150M+ on Ellsbury, who probably didn't want to stay in Boston anyway.  So he promoted Bradley and at the same time went looking--this probably started before Ellsbury left--for one or more other options. 

    So far I think it looks OK for both teams.  The Yankees got good value for Ellsbury, and the Sox have a good shot at making up for his loss. 

     
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    Re: NYTimes: Two Gambles on Outfielder​s, but One Costs Millions More

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    this is a history lesson .....  Nothing to see here, MOVE ON !!!

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    This would look real good about now ....Sizemore LF... Choo CF..... Victorino RF..... A little speed ..Good D.... nice offense.... Should have jumped all over this Choo deal.... Just saying !!!

     
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