OCCUPY STEINBRENNER: is HAL the SCROOOGE robbing the common man?

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    OCCUPY STEINBRENNER: is HAL the SCROOOGE robbing the common man?

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/story/_/id/7401348/irs-sues-new-york-yankees-hal-steinbrenner-tax-refund

    its an outrage. this guy knowingly tries to defraud the IRS out of pocket change (for him) of $700K. now irs wants its money back to build schools, roads and feed the poor and the starving masses and fight wars fought by the poor all over the world. how's this lout not in jail? what kind of moral compass is this? what kind of example is this setting? how is okajima to thrive under these types of scenarios?
     
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    Re: HAL STEINBRENNER the SCROOOGE robbing the common m an?

    Add G.E. as corporate thieves toward the IRS/US govt (if what I read is true, I pay more in income taxes than GE) and we begin to see why the "Occupy Wall Street" movement started and caught fire.

    Too bad it was hi-jacked by cloddy thinking idiots who then thought the destruction of personal and private property somehow was justified.  These maroons don't seem to realize SOMEONE has to pay for fixing up the mess.

    Guess who the someone is?  You and me, the tax payer.  So, instead of going to help the needy, through services people who are down and out, they go to fixing up the prostest areas, paying police over time - and they are now distracted from public safety elsewhere ....

    but, I digress....

    back to baaseball...
     
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    [QUOTE]Add G.E. as corporate thieves toward the IRS/US govt (if what I read is true, I pay more in income taxes than GE) and we begin to see why the "Occupy Wall Street" movement started and caught fire. Too bad it was hi-jacked by cloddy thinking idiots who then thought the destruction of personal and private property somehow was justified.  These maroons don't seem to realize SOMEONE has to pay for fixing up the mess. Guess who the someone is?  You and me, the tax payer.  So, instead of going to help the needy, through services people who are down and out, they go to fixing up the prostest areas, paying police over time - and they are now distracted from public safety elsewhere .... but, I digress.... back to baaseball...
    Posted by SinceYaz[/QUOTE]

    The problem with OWS in this regard is that they don't the basis for the tax return.  You can't really accuse someone of fraud without knowing the details.

    From what little I know, the reason that GE's taxes were minimized was that they had carry-forward losses from the financial meltdown.

    IRT to the cost of the cleanup, most of the people in this country were complicit in the meltdown.  The gov't encouraged home ownership at the expense of credit ratings.  Home builders were only too eager to build the homes.  Mortgage brokers were only too eager to write the mortgages that the gov't guaranteed.  And investment banks were only too eager to convert some of the trash into CDOs.

    Instead of being conservative, regular people cashed out equity in their homes to rebuild kitchens, but cars, etc.

    And it isn't 'evil corporate America' either.  This happened almost everywhere.  It's always comforting to find a villian, but very few people are willing to identify the villian as the face in the mirror.
     
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    Re: HAL STEINBRENNER the SCROOOGE robbing the common man?

    The common man is drawing government benefits and pays zero income taxes.
     
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    [QUOTE]The common man is drawing government benefits and pays zero income taxes.
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE]

    hank 47% of US households pay no income tax.

    I think the "tax the rich" movement/class warfare is comical.

    These people did not become wealthy by being stupid, they'll move their money off shore to overseas investments to avoid paying tax on it.

    They won't stand around like dumb sheep waiting to be fleeced.

    Investing overseas in foreign markets stunting investment into the US and growth of US businesses and hiring.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: HAL STEINBRENNER the SCROOOGE robbing the common m an? : The problem with OWS in this regard is that they don't the basis for the tax return.  You can't really accuse someone of fraud without knowing the details. From what little I know, the reason that GE's taxes were minimized was that they had carry-forward losses from the financial meltdown. IRT to the cost of the cleanup, most of the people in this country were complicit in the meltdown.  The gov't encouraged home ownership at the expense of credit ratings.  Home builders were only too eager to build the homes.  Mortgage brokers were only too eager to write the mortgages that the gov't guaranteed.  And investment banks were only too eager to convert some of the trash into CDOs. Instead of being conservative, regular people cashed out equity in their homes to rebuild kitchens, but cars, etc. And it isn't 'evil corporate America' either.  This happened almost everywhere.  It's always comforting to find a villian, but very few people are willing to identify the villian as the face in the mirror.
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]

    Absolutely terrific post Joebreidey.  Been "preachin'" these sentiments for a few years, but get "beat up" by my more liberal friends.  I wish I could have communicated my thoughts as well as you have above - but you know the drill:  "a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest."
     
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    Re: HAL STEINBRENNER the SCROOOGE robbing the common man?

    Hank is Stalin's long lost grandson.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: HAL STEINBRENNER the SCROOOGE robbing the common man? : hank 47% of US households pay no income tax. I think the "tax the rich" movement/class warfare is comical. These people did not become wealthy by being stupid, they'll move their money off shore to overseas investments to avoid paying tax on it. They won't stand around like dumb sheep waiting to be fleeced. Investing overseas in foreign markets stunting investment into the US and growth of US businesses and hiring.
    Posted by ThatWasMe[/QUOTE]

    I'm not an economist, but it seems like we're doing everything we can to discourage repatriation of profits.  We have maybe $1T, maybe more, in unpatriated profits, because no will bring back the money simply to hand it over to the gov't.

    If I were the gov't, I'd give Corporate America a 3-tier rate.  A basic rate for repatriating and using the money for loan paydowns, dividends, etc., a more favorable rate for factory re-tooling, and then the most favorable rate for those building brand new factories.

    Corporate America will always try to game the system, but if you're building factories, you'll be employing people.  We can't keep every job, but we can keep more of them.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: HAL STEINBRENNER the SCROOOGE robbing the common man? : I'm not an economist, but it seems like we're doing everything we can to discourage repatriation of profits.  We have maybe $1T, maybe more, in unpatriated profits, because no will bring back the money simply to hand it over to the gov't. If I were the gov't, I'd give Corporate America a 3-tier rate.  A basic rate for repatriating and using the money for loan paydowns, dividends, etc., a more favorable rate for factory re-tooling, and then the most favorable rate for those building brand new factories. Corporate America will always try to game the system, but if you're building factories, you'll be employing people.  We can't keep every job, but we can keep more of them.
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]
    We can try a few things, because what we have been doing is not working. To keep pursuing a failed policy is insanity.
     
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    Re: HAL STEINBRENNER the SCROOOGE robbing the common man?

    The fact that anyone paid for the new Yankee Cathedral other than the Steinbrenners is outrageous. With their bottomless pit of wealth, IMO, that was a disgrace. And, apparently, they can keep giving out huge contracts after the fact. Complete nonsense.

     
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    [QUOTE]The fact that anyone paid for the new Yankee Cathedral other than the Steinbrenners is outrageous. With their bottomless pit of wealth, IMO, that was a disgrace. And, apparently, they can keep giving out huge contracts after the fact. Complete nonsense.
    Posted by kimsaysthis[/QUOTE]

    This time, I agree with your sentiment. Those were misappropriated public funds. However, this is what is done these days for practically ALL sports venues, including the ALMOST built NEW Fenway a while back, and other NE/NY/NJ/PA arenas, including CITI Field, the Fleet Center, Heinz Field, the Giants/Jets/Pats football teams (I believe Kraft paid for some of it), the NETS (Newark & Brooklyn, with an owner wealthier than HS), and just about every other sport, as well as other cities.

    It is just another excuse for you to wield your Yankee hating stick. 
     
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    [QUOTE]The common man is drawing government benefits and pays zero income taxes.
    Posted by hankwilliamsjr[/QUOTE]

    Depends on what you mean by common.

    I know I draw no benefits (aside from the highest of them, such as the military providing security.  But even there, my older son has been serving for the last eight years.  He spent two years in Iraq, both helping develop basic services for those in need and fighting those who were openly aggressive against us and the civilians of the land, and has since been training future warriors as well as developing himself more.) and have always paid my taxes.  I didn't take a penny of government money going through college - not even loans.  I completely support the need to finance the government by an appropriate level of taxation.   

    To address the issue that another has brought  up that over 40% of citizens don't pay any taxes doesn't rectify or justify the errors of others.  If two wrongs don't make a right, then certainly a whole bunch of more wrongs still don't make a right.
     
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    [QUOTE]The fact that anyone paid for the new Yankee Cathedral other than the Steinbrenners is outrageous. With their bottomless pit of wealth, IMO, that was a disgrace. And, apparently, they can keep giving out huge contracts after the fact. Complete nonsense.
    Posted by kimsaysthis[/QUOTE]

    How much did we give them?  We made the bonds tax exempt, which allows for a lower rate, but there is a public interest in the 1000 people they employ.  How much does the city collect in parking taxes alone?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: HAL STEINBRENNER the SCROOOGE robbing the common man? : Depends on what you mean by common. I know I draw no benefits (aside from the highest of them, such as the military providing security.  But even there, my older son has been serving for the last eight years.  He spent two years in Iraq, both helping develop basic services for those in need and fighting those who were openly aggressive against us and the civilians of the land, and has since been training future warriors as well as developing himself more.) and have always paid my taxes.  I didn't take a penny of government money going through college - not even loans.  I completely support the need to finance the government by an appropriate level of taxation.    To address the issue that another has brought  up that over 40% of citizens don't pay any taxes doesn't rectify or justify the errors of others.  If two wrongs don't make a right, then certainly a whole bunch of more wrongs still don't make a right.
    Posted by SinceYaz[/QUOTE]

    While it is true half the people pay no tax, there is also an economic incentive attached to it.  For the most part, somewhere close to 100% of their income is put back into the economy.  There is a certain amount of logic to having the working poor be able to spend 10% of their income at the A&P rather than give it to the gov't.
     
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    Maybe Hal should have gotten wise and bought a soccer team in Europe.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: HAL STEINBRENNER the SCROOOGE robbing the common man? : How much did we give them?  We made the bonds tax exempt, which allows for a lower rate, but there is a public interest in the 1000 people they employ.  How much does the city collect in parking taxes alone?
    Posted by Joebreidey[/QUOTE]

    Yankee stadium is costing NY $1.2 billion. I don't understand why I can't ask the government to build me a stadium for $1.2 billion, where I will employ many people, and they can collect parking taxes from those who come there. Shouldn't we all have our own stadiums?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: HAL STEINBRENNER the SCROOOGE robbing the common man? : Yankee stadium is costing NY $1.2 billion. I don't understand why I can't ask the government to build me a stadium for $1.2 billion, where I will employ many people, and they can collect parking taxes from those who come there. Shouldn't we all have our own stadiums?
    Posted by kimsaysthis[/QUOTE]

    You could try, unfortunately Hal might have a better product to sell then you.
     
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    Re: OCCUPY STEINBRENNER: HAL the SCROOOGE is robbing the common man?

    Possibly the thing that makes the financing of the new YS sound worse is the fact that the Steinbrenners had essentially NO outstanding debt at the time it was built.  

    Ol' George bought the team for a song when it was down and out and through shrewd business practices turned it into a cash cow.  There's nothing wrong with that - in fact I applaud it - but to look for public financing at a time when the franchise was swimming in money is, IMO, wrong.  

    No...not wrong, shrewd.  It's another example of what shrewd businessmen do - they screw people over in order to make more money, and since there is a finite amount of money (or at least the value of it) in circulation, everything the Steinbrenners get comes from our pockets.

    I find it interesting how many of the American public find the accumulation of wealth to be something to be revered while that same accumulation of wealth is hurting those same people.   
     
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    I completely support the need to finance the government by an appropriate level of taxation.   

    Some call this "fair share", like the current demagogue presiding over the current collectivist policy economy. I would sais that nearly half the country paying zero income taxes is not appropriate, and encourages the entitlement voting for nothing history that has ruined the economy of this once great producing per capita Nation.

    Financing the government cannot be done by "fair share" taxing "the rich". The issue is a federal governement that is run on a socialist public policy budget that never goes anywhere but exponentially higher and results in the record debt level increases of the current hope and change architect of collectivist public policy that created the architect himself. His policies are an abject failure, as they always have been.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: HAL STEINBRENNER the SCROOOGE robbing the common man? : You could try, unfortunately Hal might have a better product to sell then you.
    Posted by ThatWasMe[/QUOTE]

    When you think about all the players who don't get to be in the ML because there just isn't room enough for everyone, I think some of them would be intererested in being on my team. And like the Giants, I'll take the throw-aways as well. Seemed to work out well for them. :) Varitek will be my catcher, Drew will be in RF, and Wakefield can pitch. And if Beckett gets too agravated with all the abuse he's taking, he can just say, "I don't have to take this crap. I'm going to play on Kim's team." lol

    My "I don't have to take this crap" team can really pile up when you think about it. And they'd probably be mad enough to win it all. Look out MLB!

    Oh, and I think there's a manager available as well.

     

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