Of all our problems, injuries have hurt the most

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    Injuries have hurt, but our biggest problem has been the starting pitching, and the starting pitchers have been relatively injury-free.  So I disagree.
     
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    [QUOTE]Injuries have hurt, but our biggest problem has been the starting pitching, and the starting pitchers have been relatively injury-free.  So I disagree.
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut[/QUOTE]

    relatively injury free??   No Lackey and Dice K.  Beckett was on DL and have missed starts.  Bucholtz started off slow due of his stressed back isnt 100% heal. Doubront is in his first year as a full time starting pitcher, and now he have a tired arm.  Cook was on DL twice.  Bard sucks, and shouldnt be a starting pitcher.  

    The only healthy guy in all year along was Lester!!!  

    Biggest problem for Boston is that they have no true ACE pitcher!!
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Of all our problems, injuries have hurt the most : relatively injury free??   No Lackey and Dice K.  Beckett was on DL and have missed starts.  Bucholtz started off slow due of his stressed back isnt 100% heal. Doubront is in his first year as a full time starting pitcher, and now he have a tired arm.  Cook was on DL twice.  Bard sucks, and shouldnt be a starting pitcher.   The only healthy guy in all year along was Lester!!!   Biggest problem for Boston is that they have no true ACE pitcher!!
    Posted by GoUconn13[/QUOTE]

    Lackey and DiceK were so awful last year that I wasn't even thinking of their injuries as a minus this year.

    Beckett, Lester and Buch have all made 21 or more starts.  That's relatively healthy IMO.


     
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    More original baseball threads by pike, the most incapable poster on the board to post anything about baseball that is not copied from others
     
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    Re: Of all our problems, injuries have hurt the most

    No question injuries have played a factor this season. But I agree with soxnut, the biggest issue has been pitching.

    The injury situation in 2010 was as bad (if not worse) but the Sox still finished 16 games over .500. That was because of outstanding pitching from Lester (19-9, 3.25) and Buchholz (17-7, 2.33). Heck, Lackey was a semi-decent 14-11, 4.40.


     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Of all our problems, injuries have hurt the most : Lackey and DiceK were so awful last year that I wasn't even thinking of their injuries as a minus this year. Beckett, Lester and Buch have all made 21 or more starts.  That's relatively healthy IMO.
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut[/QUOTE]

    Not true, Bucholtz didnt have a QS until the end of month of May due his back isnt healing 100%.  Beckett had alot of QS in his first two months of the season. Since he injured his back, he was not the same.  His back problem is still probably effecting him ever since.  Only guy on the rotation should have more QB is Lester.  I have never hear about any injury on Lester.  Anyway, there are more starting pitchers for Boston are really injured more than any team in the AL east division except Toronto.

    Look at the Yankees who had three starting pitchers who were healthy from day one of the season until Sabathia went down.  Phil Hughes started off slow just like Bucholtz, but now pitching well.   Having four guys staying healthy from June to July have given the Yankees a good division lead.  But now Sabathia is hurt, and Tampa is only 4 games behind.  Why?  Tampa have four pitchers that have stayed healthier than any team in AL east.   

    Remember, having a strong pitching rotation from day one to the end of the season is the key for any team to go to post season.

    Boston didnt have that!!
     
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    [QUOTE]Had a flat tire................ran out of gas.............starting pitching didn't stay healthy.............had too many on the DL..............a comet came down from the 175 million dollar sky...............
    Posted by TrotterNixon[/QUOTE]

    You're usually a giant PITA, but THAt was funny!!
     
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    Blaming the the Red Sox woes on the injuries are simply attempts by players and reporters to get on the good side of Bobby and Red Sox ownership.

    Buch started off bad and wasn't hurt.  Lester started off bad and wasn't hurt.  beckett is all over the place and who knows what's up with him.  The BP was in disarray.

    AGon has not produced.  The catcher position has not produced.  They should have gotten a better replacement for Crawford knowing he was hurt. 

    With Ellsbury and Crawford on this team, they need 6 serviceable outfielders.

    Bad management of the pitching staff.  Under performance by key position players.  And a roster that simply isn't good enough to compete.

    Every body needs to take a bite out of this sh*t sandwich.
     
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    [QUOTE]I thought there was no crying in BB anything  new here injuries have hurt the most come on pike make up your mind I mean how can '' injuries'' hurt more than geting'' killed '' by umpires
    Posted by pinstripezac[/QUOTE]

    There's no crying in WOMEN'S baseball .... as a drunk of a manager recalled. 
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Of all our problems, injuries have hurt the most : Not true, Bucholtz didnt have a QS until the end of month of May due his back isnt healing 100%.  Beckett had alot of QS in his first two months of the season. Since he injured his back, he was not the same.  His back problem is still probably effecting him ever since.
    Posted by GoUconn13[/QUOTE]

    Sorry, but Josh Beckett has been a streaky pitcher his whole time with us, whether injured or fully healthy.  Now he's lost a few MPH off his fastball.  Is it his back affecting him lately, or is he just not pitching well?
     
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    Re: Of all our problems, injuries have hurt the most

    Injuries have been a big factor, not the only factor, and not necessarily the biggest one, but a big one.

    Would the Red Sox have a better record if Beckett and Lester performed up to par?  I would think so.

    Would the Red Sox have a better record if the team had been healthy all year?  Equally as likely as the first scenario, IMO.  (Zac, you never did answer this question.)

    It's not an excuse.  There are certainly many other factors that have hurt this team besides injuries.  That said, anyone who discounts the impact of the injuries is fooling themselves as much as those who blame everything on injuries.
     

     
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    No Lackey and Dice-K have been a blessing - not a detriment.  Fortunately Dice-K is gone after this year.  The SP has been the bane of the Sox season.  Their hitting has been more than adequate to put them in contention but the failure of the SP has not let that happen.  The Sox mantra has been "If we can't out pitch them we'll have to out score them"...and they don't.

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Of all our problems, injuries have hurt the most : relatively injury free??   No Lackey and Dice K.  Beckett was on DL and have missed starts.  Bucholtz started off slow due of his stressed back isnt 100% heal. Doubront is in his first year as a full time starting pitcher, and now he have a tired arm.  Cook was on DL twice.  Bard sucks, and shouldnt be a starting pitcher.   The only healthy guy in all year along was Lester!!!   Biggest problem for Boston is that they have no true ACE pitcher!!
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    It's unfortunately not a given that Crawford would have hit any better than Nava, Podsednik, and others did during his absence. Losing Bailey caused a ripple effect, but since April Aceves has done a pretty passable job. Losing Middlebrooks hurt, but the team wasn't going anywhere with him either...same with Doubront. The team is playing as poorly now with Ellsbury and Pedey back as it did without them. Guys like Sweeney and Atchison wouldn't have made a difference. None of those, even all together, is the reason we're losing. Maybe if we still had Papi in the lineup we'd have somewhat of a chance of making up a few games, but other than that I'm having a hard time seeing what injuries can really, truly be blamed for the sorry state of this Sox team.

    You could have all of those guys on the field and healthy and I still don't think this team makes the playoffs with Lester and Beckett pitching like cr#p. The injuries have been significant (as they were in 2010 and 2011) but only one of this organization's many problems this year.
     
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    Injuries cost a few games, but the real problems were named Beckett and Lester.  Lester is improving (too late) but Beckett will never be above an average #5 starter again.  We need an ace.  Ace, #2 Buch, #3 Lester.
     
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    Anyone who does not credit injuries as the prime reason the Red Sox have fallen short is being silly. This may be, quite literally, the most injured team of all time, and many of the injuries have come at the worst possible time.

    In my opinion, the Ortiz injury alone short-circuted what would have been a Boston playoff run this past month. The team had been aiming for an August resurgence, and then go from having the best DH position in the AL to the worst...that's a beyond massive dropoff.

    It IS true that the pitching issues have only compounded the problem...in fact, I think the Red Sox would be in position to make a playoff run if just Beckett and Lester had been reasonable facsimiles of themselves this season. But that would only have made the team better, not overhauled it.

    The other reason people have underrated the impact of the injuries is because they don't realize the crazy extent of the injuries. For example: raise your hand if you remember that Cody Ross (one of the most important lineup depth/versatility hitters on the team this year) once missed 27(!) straight games this year. That injury was one of many that tipped the ship back over just when it seemed to be righting itself.

    A no point this year have players returned from injury as expected AND then allowed the team was able to go a decent period of time with a stable roster. The entire season has been spent waiting for X players to return at any given time, and each time some of those players have returned, someone else would hit the list. You can't put a winning run together that way.
     
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    Re: Of all our problems, injuries have hurt the most

    Injuries have definitely hurt but poor all around play has hurt the most. 
     

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