Oh XB! You are as advertised....

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    Oh XB! You are as advertised....

    The errors are piling up way too fast!

     
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    I'll have to go check, but we're talking 1 per game if we're lucky.....


    Many GIVEN TO the hitter not recorded as errors

     
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    Meh, is part of the growing pain. As long as he keeps producing offensively I will be happy. 

     
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    Meh, is part of the growing pain. As long as he keeps producing offensively I will be happy. 


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    yea but the pitchers get pissed off.  If lackey did not get the win after that error, there would be some tension.  The bottom line is, keep Xander at short and stop the talk about moving him to third.

     
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    Last thing we want is his errors affecting him at the plate.... what to do what to do

     
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    might want to check the facts....4 errors in 96 chances, while not gold glove worthy places him in a group that includes Elvis Adrus & Yunel Escobar...Desmond with the Nationals has 8 in 90 chances...of the 30 starting SS 16 have at least 3 


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    Does anybody know if Xander is taking balls off the Monster and working with "Butter" to get adapted out there?


    He makes the plays at SS but he needs to know when it's not worth trying to make a spectacular late in the game.  He's a smart kid--when he realizes it's better to stick it in his back pocket--he will have had a positive step forward. All JF wants is for him to make the routine plays.


    Marrero might try to do the same thing but he has had , in addition to the minor leagues , at least a couple of years of a high level of college ball at Arizona. My gut tells me Marrero is a better prepared SS than Xander and Xander could adapt to LF--not only that but his hitting may improve with a move to a less challenging position.


    Keep your eye on Marrero @ AA--his hitting is improving. Brock Holt has been playing SS @ AAA since he was sent down last week. Maybe we'll see Holt before we see Marrero manning SS.

     
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    might want to check the facts....4 errors in 96 chances, while not gold glove worthy places him in a group that includes Elvis Adrus & Yunel Escobar...Desmond with the Nationals has 8 in 90 chances...of the 30 starting SS 16 have at least 3 


     


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    Management and most fans understood that there would be growing pains with the rookies. JBJ has had some throwing blunders and was struggling offensively. Hes improving. Xander has work to do on defense, but has improved and will continue to do so. Everyone needs to relax and realize that hes staying at SS and is not moving off the position anytime soon.

     
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    might want to check the facts....4 errors in 96 chances, while not gold glove worthy places him in a group that includes Elvis Adrus & Yunel Escobar...Desmond with the Nationals has 8 in 90 chances...of the 30 starting SS 16 have at least 3 


     


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    He probably did check the facts and when he realized he has 4 errors and not 27 (1 error per game) he just laid out the argument that there have been 23 hits that should have been errors.

     
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    I just want Dirtdog to remember he was the guy complaining about Xander Bogaerts when he is a star.  Young guys take time and you have to be patient.  Would you complain about the size of your IRA the day you opened it up???


    Many young players reach the majors at an early age because they can hit and their fielding takes a toll.


    Alexi Ramirez was a pretty bad his first year at SS and become a league above average SS, Brendan Ryan was average his first year at SS and below Avg at 3B and 2nd and was the top SS in the league according to Fielding Bible last year. Troy Tulowitzki was a below average defender his first year and being a large SS people questioned his ability to man the position the same way Bogaerts is...and he has rounded into a plus defender at SS.


    Even the ALL MIGHTY STEPHEN DREW that some would prefer in here was a below avg SS for 3 years before he turned into a plus defender. 


    Patience people. Xander is one of the most talented young players in all of baseball, with good athleticism, hard work ethic, mature, and very coachable. 

     
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    The errors are piling up way too fast!


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    First of all, he is only 21 years old.  If you look at the MLB stats at the same time most of you guys always wish that Jed Lowrie or Hanley Rameriz were never traded.  But these two have been in MLB longer than XB, and playing worst defense than XB!!!!!


    What is Jed or Hanley's excuse for playing worst defense than XB?????   Yes having a good defensive SS will help to win more games than they will lose.  But the good news is that Boston isnt too far away from the Yankees in the standing.  Every team in the AL East have too many issues such as injuries, lack of pitching, etc.  Give Boston some time to evaluate the team as well to evaluate the farm system, and then make some changes.  Such as their first move is to send Nava down in the farm system.  And their next moves is to being back guys from the DL.  Now they are winning more games than they are losing since these moves.


    Relax guys.  Boston isnt going after Drew anymore cuz I am sure Boston are in touch with his agent, Boras, and I am sure their asking price havent change.  Boston must have gave up on him for good!!!


    Also Middlebrook is doing well at the plate which mean he is staying at 3b!!

     
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    might want to check the facts....4 errors in 96 chances, while not gold glove worthy places him in a group that includes Elvis Adrus & Yunel Escobar...Desmond with the Nationals has 8 in 90 chances...of the 30 starting SS 16 have at least 3 


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    Management and most fans understood that there would be growing pains with the rookies. JBJ has had some throwing blunders and was struggling offensively. Hes improving. Xander has work to do on defense, but has improved and will continue to do so. Everyone needs to relax and realize that hes staying at SS and is not moving off the position anytime soon.


     


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    With the great throws and catches JBJ has made, the average fan could not even tell you about these "blunders" you speak.  JBJ gets to balls where most would not, when he does make these throwing "blunders".  JBJ ended up center when many had him going back to the minors for a spell.  I remember someone saying like it or not, Sizemore is your cf.


     


    Xander's range is terrible and most likely this will not improve.  He still gets nervous as last night's throwing error showed.  His error count could easily be 8.


     


    No one is panicking, but more are buying less the hype that beat writers and some posters created about Xander's overall abilities.


     


    I wonder how calm Lackey was after the error?

     
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    Management and most fans understood that there would be growing pains with the rookies. JBJ has had some throwing blunders and was struggling offensively. Hes improving. Xander has work to do on defense, but has improved and will continue to do so. Everyone needs to relax and realize that hes staying at SS and is not moving off the position anytime soon.


     


     


     


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    With the great throws and catches JBJ has made, the average fan could not even tell you about these "blunders" you speak.  JBJ gets to balls where most would not, when he does make these throwing "blunders".  JBJ ended up center when many had him going back to the minors for a spell.  I remember someone saying like it or not, Sizemore is your cf.


     


     


     


    Xander's range is terrible and most likely this will not improve.  He still gets nervous as last night's throwing error showed.  His error count could easily be 8.


     


     


     


    No one is panicking, but more are buying less the hype that beat writers and some posters created about Xander's overall abilities.


     


     


     


    I wonder how calm Lackey was after the error?


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    First of all, when XB made an error, Lackey was done pitching.  Meaning he was in the dugout during that time.  Maybe he may be a bit worry about not getting the win for the game.  But after Farrell brought in the closer to get the final out, Lackey must be so thrilled with Farrell's move!!


     

     
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    might want to check the facts....4 errors in 96 chances, while not gold glove worthy places him in a group that includes Elvis Adrus & Yunel Escobar...Desmond with the Nationals has 8 in 90 chances...of the 30 starting SS 16 have at least 3 


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    Management and most fans understood that there would be growing pains with the rookies. JBJ has had some throwing blunders and was struggling offensively. Hes improving. Xander has work to do on defense, but has improved and will continue to do so. Everyone needs to relax and realize that hes staying at SS and is not moving off the position anytime soon.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


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    With the great throws and catches JBJ has made, the average fan could not even tell you about these "blunders" you speak.  JBJ gets to balls where most would not, when he does make these throwing "blunders".  JBJ ended up center when many had him going back to the minors for a spell.  I remember someone saying like it or not, Sizemore is your cf.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    Xander's range is terrible and most likely this will not improve.  He still gets nervous as last night's throwing error showed.  His error count could easily be 8.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    No one is panicking, but more are buying less the hype that beat writers and some posters created about Xander's overall abilities.


     


     


     


     


     


     


     


    I wonder how calm Lackey was after the error?


     


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    First of all, when XB made an error, Lackey was done pitching.  Meaning he was in the dugout during that time.  Maybe he may be a bit worry about not getting the win for the game.  But after Farrell brought in the closer to get the final out, Lackey must be so thrilled with Farrell's move!!


     


     


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    yes, thank you for letting me know Lackey was done pitching.  Yes, if Lackey got a no decision due to an error last night, it would have been too bad after the night he had.

     
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    The errors are piling up way too fast!


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    Jeter made 21 errors as rookie and Cal made 22 errors as rookie. Don't know about XB has SS. what would be nice to see XB moved to left field and let him grow.Can't figure out Brady ?Don't know if he's the answer to everyday outfield or just average sub player? Any team willing to trade us a SS for some young pitching? Not sold on XB as future SS .... 3RD base or LF .....JUST MY THOUGHT !!!

     
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    Donny Downer strikes again!!!!

     
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    First thing i am doing 30-May when we get to the Fens is buy my son a #2 jersey.


    ok, 2nd thing...beer at cask n flagon must take precedence.

     
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    From just a purely observational standpoint, I really like the way Xander plays shortstop.  Yeah, he has made a couple hiccup errors.  A. He is 21 and is learning on the job, I expect he will even out some of the inconsistencies by mid-season, and B. as has been pointed out, he is no more error prone than most shortstops in the league.  And, if one can get past the errors, it is actually pretty exciting to picture the kid in a year or two.  To my eyes, his smooth flow andand general cool head out there are things you can't teach.  I think he is right now, and will continue to grow into being a very nice shortstop.  Sure, maybe his range is not stellar, but a. I have seen him go get some balls on either side that I did not expect him to get to, b. he is Jeter-smart in positioning, and c. when you factor in his bat, the range issue just dissappears.


     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Donny Downer strikes again!!!!


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    YES Donny downer opinion. It's just that. What if nobody on here had an opinion? Am I the only one to question XB as our future SS?  Hope I'm wrong. ... I hope I can lift spirit up and tell you that I think Sox without a few moves  it will be a downer year. Then you can have two downers to worry about.....Only my opinion !!!!

     
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    YES Donny downer opinion. It's just that. What if nobody on here had an opinion? Am I the only one to question XB as our future SS?  Hope I'm wrong. ... I hope I can lift spirit up and tell you that I think Sox without a few moves  it will be a downer year. Then you can have two downers to worry about.....Only my opinion !!!!


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    I think the board needs more posters to look outside the box.  This is not the first time someone has challenged Xander's superman image.  This time last year there wasn't much talk of Xander's defensive flaws. Anyone who mentioned it was labelled a trouble maker.


    He is still a decent short stop, but now everyone sees he is capable of making errors and costly ones.

     
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    YES Donny downer opinion. It's just that. What if nobody on here had an opinion? Am I the only one to question XB as our future SS?  Hope I'm wrong. ... I hope I can lift spirit up and tell you that I think Sox without a few moves  it will be a downer year. Then you can have two downers to worry about.....Only my opinion !!!!


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    yes and your opinion is ALWAYS one of the most negative on this board, you constantly complain about every loss, every misplay, every player and every little tiny thing gone wrong. 


    We get a talent in our system, and on our team that is one of the best we've had in decades and the fact that he has an OBP of nearly .400 at 21 is insanely impressive and we STILL have to complain and put him down because we are disappointed with his defense after ONE, ONE STINKING month!!!!


    Yet I've laid out multiple examples of above average to GG defenders at short stop who ALL started their careers out as below average defenders.


    If you want to come here and point out his defense has been subpar...fine, if you want point out the obvious, fine...but it just seems that you are always overly pessimistic about every little thing.  You want him to move to LF???? I wouldn't mind Xander in LF too if it all doesn't work out but in no universe would I ever even think about advocating that after one month when so many great SS turned out to be more than capable defenders yet started their careers off like Xanders....and Xander has as good if not better tools than most of them. 

     
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    YES Donny downer opinion. It's just that. What if nobody on here had an opinion? Am I the only one to question XB as our future SS?  Hope I'm wrong. ... I hope I can lift spirit up and tell you that I think Sox without a few moves  it will be a downer year. Then you can have two downers to worry about.....Only my opinion !!!!


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    And Hugh's opinion was just that:  he think the remarks were out-of-perspective "Donny Downer" remarks that focus on the negative without seeing the whole picture.  I really don't get this "We have a right to express our opinion!" nonsense.  Of course we do.  And when someone disagrees with that opnion, they have the right to express that opinion too.  

     
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    YES Donny downer opinion. It's just that. What if nobody on here had an opinion? Am I the only one to question XB as our future SS?  Hope I'm wrong. ... I hope I can lift spirit up and tell you that I think Sox without a few moves  it will be a downer year. Then you can have two downers to worry about.....Only my opinion !!!!


     


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    I think the board needs more posters to look outside the box.  This is not the first time someone has challenged Xander's superman image.  This time last year there wasn't much talk of Xander's defensive flaws. Anyone who mentioned it was labelled a trouble maker.


     


    He is still a decent short stop, but now everyone sees he is capable of making errors and costly ones.


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    Thinking outside the box is a good thing....thinking outside the box with ZERO patience is a dangerous thing. 

     
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    I've got a lot more tolerance for a player's errors when I know he is young and bound to improve and when he is actually hitting pretty well--second best OBP on the team--and clearly has a bright future.  Plus I think his fielding and throwing are affected by the cold.  Last night he was playing in a ski mask. 


    Lackey rarely likes anything done by the defense that isn't spectacularly good.  Good pitchers pitchharder after an error, but Lackey sometimes is prone to going soft after an error. 

     
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    YES Donny downer opinion. It's just that. What if nobody on here had an opinion? Am I the only one to question XB as our future SS?  Hope I'm wrong. ... I hope I can lift spirit up and tell you that I think Sox without a few moves  it will be a downer year. Then you can have two downers to worry about.....Only my opinion !!!!


     


     


     


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    I think the board needs more posters to look outside the box.  This is not the first time someone has challenged Xander's superman image.  This time last year there wasn't much talk of Xander's defensive flaws. Anyone who mentioned it was labelled a trouble maker.


     


     


     


    He is still a decent short stop, but now everyone sees he is capable of making errors and costly ones.


     


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    Thinking outside the box is a good thing....thinking outside the box with ZERO patience is a dangerous thing. 


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    I don't think anyone is asking for Xander to be sent back to Pawtucket. The general theme seemed to be to move him over to third and ship Middy to another position or team. People are just commenting on his errors and seeing him without his cape.

     

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