Oh Yes, it is possible to trade Carl Crawford, big contract and all!

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    Oh Yes, it is possible to trade Carl Crawford, big contract and all!


    Most people think it is impossible to trade Carl Crawford with his big contract.  It is possible if you include Carl as a "must take"  in a blockbuster like trading Kevin Youkilus.  Trade the great YOuk?  Well, Theo traded Nomar, and survived.  With Middlebrooks almost ready for 3b, it is a possibility.  Would be hard to find the good fit trading partners other than the Angels and Dodgers.  But, could be explored.  Plus, the Redsox would love to have Matt Kemp in RF!

    What think you?
     
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    Re: Oh Yes, it is possible to trade Carl Crawford, big contract and all!

    Ha ha ha...we have some creative minds here, and too much time on our hands, that's what I think.
     
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    If we really wanted to we could probably trade Crawford to the Angels for Vernon Wells.  Wells only has 3 more years to run at his 20 million per.  And he's a right-handed bat. 
     
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    Do what they did with Manny a few times. Put him on waivers, and see if anyone claims him.
    Then just let him go to whoever is dumb enough to pick up his contract.
    Bet the Rays are doing handstands over how this all turned out. His replacement is a rookie playing ten time better than Cr-oh for-d.
     
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    package him to the cubs with theo.
     
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    Most people think it is impossible to trade Carl Crawford with his big contract.  It is possible if you include Carl as a "must take"  in a blockbuster like trading Kevin Youkilus.  Trade the great YOuk?  Well, Theo traded Nomar, and survived.  With Middlebrooks almost ready for 3b, it is a possibility.  Would be hard to find the good fit trading partners other than the Angels and Dodgers.  But, could be explored.  Plus, the Redsox would love to have Matt Kemp in RF! What think you?
    Posted by REBEL


    And the Dodgers would make that trade exactly why?  To get a younger player? No.  Save Money? No.  Because they need a player (Youk) who may be poised to start declining? No.  You people have to stiop with the fantasy baseball mentalities
     
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    Crawford is young and still very valuable. He has been playing better the last few weeks so would not trade him yet. The ends justify the means, Sox are in first and look very good for a trip to World Series. Let us see what Carl does in playoffs and beyond first.
     
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    In Response to Re: Oh Yes, it is possible to trade Carl Crawford, big contract and all!:
    If we really wanted to we could probably trade Crawford to the Angels for Vernon Wells.  Wells only has 3 more years to run at his 20 million per.  And he's a right-handed bat. 
    Posted by Hfxsoxnut

    The proposal at least has some merit ... the final three years (2015-17) of Carl Crawford's contract look mighty unappealing.

    For what it's worth, the 30-year-old Crawford has 6+ years left on his contract ... he's no longer a young player.
     
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    And then when they get Matt Kemp , and he goes into a slump, we trade him to the Cardinals for Pujols. When Pujols goes into a slump, we trade him to Minnesota for Joe Mauer. When Mauer goes into a slump we ask L.A. If we can have Youkilis and Crawford back...because hell, maybe one of them wil start hitting one of these days and 'Red Sox Complain Nation' will finally shut up and be happy with a first place team, even if they aren't 130-0 right now.
     
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    It appears to take some players longer to "settle in".  Theo and his group are good on their pickups, but sometimes let loose too early.  Example:  Look what some of their pitchers have done this year, especially Colon and Penny.  Our fans are entirely too impatient.  Keep him and reap the bennies. 
     
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    Why would you possibly trade a player with the physical tools that Crawford possesses?  This whole discussion reminds me of Beckett's first season here when he was plagued with blister trouble.  A lot of people wanted to dump HIM too! 

    Be patient, work with him in the off season.  While he's not a close personal friend of mine (lol) I'd guess that he's more frustrated than any of us are with this year's performance and will be willing to do whatever's necessary to become "Carl Crawford" again. 
     
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    Many Yankee fans wanted Granderson gone after last season. Give Crawford awhile longer he is too good a player.
     
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       This whole idea is absurd, a team making that trade would be putting up 33-35 million to two players on the downside of the careers. The reason why the Marlins were able to insist in the Sox taking Lowell was that the Sox were getting a young Beckett, who would be cost effective, to off set Lowells' contract. The only way the Sox could unload Crawford would be to include young talent and lot's of it.
     
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    I think I would move Youk sooner than later. He REALLY is a 1st baseman now and looks pretty creeky at 3rd. And, we don't need a 1st baseman. But then...who plays 3rd? as for Crawford, I think he'll be good/better next year, after he does well in this year's playoffs. Remember...Yaz had 2 of fyears in the middle of a HOF carreer, and folks were after his hide!
     
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    And then when they get Matt Kemp , and he goes into a slump, we trade him to the Cardinals for Pujols. When Pujols goes into a slump, we trade him to Minnesota for Joe Mauer. When Mauer goes into a slump we ask L.A. If we can have Youkilis and Crawford back...because hell, maybe one of them wil start hitting one of these days and 'Red Sox Complain Nation' will finally shut up and be happy with a first place team, even if they aren't 130-0 right now.
    Posted by ZILLAGOD



    hey zilla,
    what's your definition of a slump? april-august? isn't there a time-limit on a slump? how about the idea that he can't play in a large market? maybe that's
    a better explanation than 'slump.'
     
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    It appears to take some players longer to "settle in".  Theo and his group are good on their pickups, but sometimes let loose too early.  Example:  Look what some of their pitchers have done this year, especially Colon and Penny.  Our fans are entirely too impatient.  Keep him and reap the bennies. 
    Posted by rlgrater


    penny's worth just about what his name suggests.
     
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    Do what they did with Manny a few times. Put him on waivers, and see if anyone claims him. Then just let him go to whoever is dumb enough to pick up his contract. Bet the Rays are doing handstands over how this all turned out. His replacement is a rookie playing ten time better than Cr-oh for-d.
    Posted by tbrod
    Reports are he cleared waivers recently. The only difference between this and what they did with Manny after 2003 was that these waivers were not irrevocable. Just the same no one put in a $25K claim to get Crwaford because the RS may well have taken the $25K and moved on.
     
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         Has to be one of the worst free agent signs ever. His low OBP throughout his career should have been the tip-off. It negates his greatest asset...his speed on the bases...and makes him ineffective as a lead-off or second place hitter. As a result, he can't be used at the top of the line-up. He also doesn't hit for power, which negates his value in the middle of the line-up.
         
         He simply wasn't worth anywhere near the $20mil. per year the Sox are paying him...like Manny Ramirez was. 

         No way the Sox are going to be able to unload his contract.

         
     
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    In Response to Oh Yes, it is possible to trade Carl Crawford, big contract and all!:
    Most people think it is impossible to trade Carl Crawford with his big contract.  It is possible if you include Carl as a "must take"  in a blockbuster like trading Kevin Youkilus.  Trade the great YOuk?  Well, Theo traded Nomar, and survived.  With Middlebrooks almost ready for 3b, it is a possibility.  Would be hard to find the good fit trading partners other than the Angels and Dodgers.  But, could be explored.  Plus, the Redsox would love to have Matt Kemp in RF! What think you?
    Posted by REBEL


    Middlebrooks almost ready?  Based on what? 

    Right now the Sox have a very good thirdbaseman (at least as a hitter) and a leftfielder who has been very good in the post, and you want to dump both of them.  Nice. 
     
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    In Response to Oh Yes, it is possible to trade Carl Crawford, big contract and all!:
    Most people think it is impossible to trade Carl Crawford with his big contract.  It is possible if you include Carl as a "must take"  in a blockbuster like trading Kevin Youkilus.  Trade the great YOuk?  Well, Theo traded Nomar, and survived.  With Middlebrooks almost ready for 3b, it is a possibility.  Would be hard to find the good fit trading partners other than the Angels and Dodgers.  But, could be explored.  Plus, the Redsox would love to have Matt Kemp in RF! What think you?
    Posted by REBEL
    Why would either the Dodgers or Angels be interested in this?

    Though the Dodgers have never given any indication they have the slightest interest in moving Kemp, it has become a topic on BDC largely as an invention to destract from a posters mistaken projections of Jacoby Ellsbury's career trajectory.

    But if they were wouldn't it be because they don't believe they could resign him after 2012? And if they couldn't sign him wouldn't the money on the Crawford deal be prohibitive?

    As for the Angels, newsflash, they have the potential ROY at 1B and probably are feeling like they dodged a bullet on Crawford.

    IMO coming off of this very tough first season, if CC were a poison pill in a deal, the headliners would have to be Lester and Bard and the RS would have to take good deal of the Crawford $$$ (probably 50%) on as well.

    This is not a contract that an eraser can be easily taken to. IMO the RS have to hope for a marked improvement in 2012. 
     
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         Has to be one of the worst free agent signs ever. His low OBP throughout his career should have been the tip-off. It negates his greatest asset...his speed on the bases...and makes him ineffective as a lead-off or second place hitter. As a result, he can't be used at the top of the line-up. He also doesn't hit for power, which negates his value in the middle of the line-up.            He simply wasn't worth anywhere near the $20mil. per year the Sox are paying him...like Manny Ramirez was.       No way the Sox are going to be able to unload his contract.      
    Posted by TexasPat3


    Hey Tex...

    Lets give this another year before we start to pigeon holing the kid and labeling him a bust...Way too soon. If I've learned anything after 25 years of marriage is never to say anything that you can't take back...

    FYI I agree that this years he's not worth 20M.....



    Theo must have had the same thought cauce the good news is that he's only making 15.6M...

     
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    Re: Oh Yes, it is possible to trade Carl Crawford, big contract and all!

    How about we just keep him and win a couple of World Series with him?

    Carl will be fine....
     
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    Thanks.  Another Crawford bash.  We needed another one.  The other thousand threads really didn't bash Crawford enough.   Thank heavens some real men stepped up and started this one!!!!!!

    Pink Hats fit good?  You guys are NOT fans, you are complainers.
     
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    In Response to Re: Oh Yes, it is possible to trade Carl Crawford, big contract and all!:
    Thanks.  Another Crawford bash.  We needed another one.  The other thousand threads really didn't bash Crawford enough.   Thank heavens some real men stepped up and started this one!!!!!! Pink Hats fit good?  You guys are NOT fans, you are complainers.
    Posted by soxmeister



    i agree; there is never enough crawford bashing posts.
    but i would think the 'pink hatters' are the ones defending him; like you.
    you're not a fan, you're an apologist.
     
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    Though the Dodgers have never given any indication they have the slightest interest in moving Kemp, it has become a topic on BDC largely as an invention to destract from a posters mistaken projections of Jacoby Ellsbury's career trajectory.

    Nice dishnonest attempt to distract readers away from Crawford's contract and Ellsbury arbitration cost and FA cost, 5K. While it is true most on this board are stupid, I doubt they are that stupid.

    1. Moorad said the Padres were not going to trade AGon, last winter.
    2. You are "Inventing" for posting, knowing it to be false, that teams call Buster Wedgie and the media and telegraph "slightest interest" to sell a player.
    3. Like Agon, Kemp becomes a FA in one year
    4. Yankees will outbid Dodgers if they hold him to FA
    5. Dodger fans and management dissed Kemp last season
    6. Kemp is now using Dodgers to create largest market but will take extra year/highest bid in FA
    7. Dodgers have a lot of payroll coming off books, but are under a dark cloud that even when removed is facing a rebuilding situation that will take at least 2 years to return to title contender
    8. Playing careers are short, and money and all else near equal, star players like to choose contenders if FA allows them to do so
    9. Ellsbury and one year in front of Pedroia 2011 and Agon does not a career trajectory make. 10 pars and one birdie doesn't predict 2 or more birdies.
    10.This poster is making a pitiful desperate fantasy comment to distract attention away from the reality that Crawford is not value tradeable, and will not be so until the final year or two of a contract the Red Sox are going to finish off taking one of the worst value baths on in FA history. NOt the worse, but one of the worst. Crawford career averages isn't going to do more than mitigate incompetence on Epstein's decision to trade Ellsbury and buy long on Crawford. The hard part is now Epstein pretending that he will try hard to extend Ellsbury. Id like to see Epstein skip town for Crooksville, USA on the big lake, but I suspect Larry is going to keep him around (under contract) and see iif this massive payroll can win a title this year. If Phillies go out, chances are good, but if not, chances are quite a bit under 50/50.
    11. Crawford 2012 isnt going to be Crawford 2011, and Ellsbury 2012 isnt going to be Ellsbury 2011. See something called career averages.
    12. Red Sox have a need for a young slugging OF'er v. lp and overall
    13. Decision must soon be made long term on money allocation in OF

    5K, dont patronize me with dishonest comments playing to the herd. You are an insightful poster when you dont follow the apes. 
     
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