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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: don't make mistakes /> Valentine isn't Francona : Going well ... waiting for the season start. So why is your avatar a picture of Terry Francona in front of Lou Gherig's HOF plaque?
    Posted by LloydDobler[/QUOTE]
    Laughing
    Good one Lloyd.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: don't make mistakes /> Valentine isn't Francona : Hey '41 ... hope you've had a good offseason. Look at the two teams that won the championships in '04 and '07 ... different starters at first, second, short, third, right and center. Manny and Tek were the only constants (and Papi at DH). Schilling was the only starting pitcher on both teams (not counting Wakefield) and we had a different closer. Conversely, look at the Yankee teams from 1996-2000, when they won four championships in five years. Half of their every-day lineup was the same. So was their ace (Pettitte) and closer (Rivera). Dynasties in professional sports happen when there's little or nor shakeup in the lineup. Not when you have to rebuild your team. PS--And come on, enough with the "Millar convinced Tito to have Roberts steal" nonsense. If the plan wasn't to have him steal, why the hell would have they have brought in a pinch runner in the first place?
    Posted by LloydDobler[/QUOTE]

    I'm doing well, thanks for asking, and I hope all is well with you. Alright, Millar didn't advise Terry on the Roberts steal, but I'm sure he consulted Manny before giving that sign..I think?
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: don't make mistakes /> Valentine isn't Francona : Going well ... waiting for the season start. So why is your avatar a picture of Terry Francona in front of Lou Gherig's HOF plaque?
    Posted by LloydDobler[/QUOTE]

    LOL.... touche.

    Look a little closer, I'm Irish with blue eyes, not italian. And that's in Monument Park, not Cooperstown.

     
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    [QUOTE]Tito losing control of the clubhouse is old news. Boring.
    Posted by Calzone65[/QUOTE]

    bobby v participating in a charity scam is not old news though.

    Can't see francona doing that.

     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to don't make mistakes /> Valentine isn't Francona : " Although Bobby Valentine will faces lighter competition from the Yanks this year. " Really?  Considering their pen is just as good, meaning very good, the rotation has been up graded, and the offense is about as good as any in baseball, .. including the RS, .. just how does that translate into; ".. lighter competition"?  Also, o n the one hand you state the Yankees this season are " lighter competition " yet you also state the Valentine won't ".. underestimate the aging Yanks ..".  Which is it? Also, ..".. aging Yanks .."?  When will the Nation stop counting on the "old brittle" Yankees to collapse?  Is there no scenario that actually has the RS excelling or are they all dependant on the Yankees failing?  Surely there must be a more substantive less deluded strategy available.   Last year the RS were the consensus favorite to win the AL East and go to the WS to faces the Phillies and look how that turned out.  This year the conventional wisdom has the Yankees winning the AL East and the RS fighting for a WC spot.  So what, .. all that really means is the games still need to be played.   Also, trust me, .. all this ".. warrior, .. hungry .."  stuff doesn't mean a thing.  I think Valentine is right in that Bard needs to return to the pen and  Iglesias should be given the SS job.  And, if you like an aggressive manager, .. with a more NL style, .. then Valentine is your man.  But, he has to be careful to mold the strtegy to the players ability.  And, it should be noted that the very same qualities that can ignite a fire under a team has the potential to set it a blaze too.
    Posted by heobrien[/QUOTE]
      Mo Rivera this spring: 6 innings pitched, one hit, no runs....


     
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    " I love Bobby Valentine. He is a warrior.. he is very hungry to win
    the WS for us this year. Trust me !"

    Cool. We won two with Tito at the helm so Bobby V has work to do. 

    Unfortunately it seems that some of Bobby V's "warrior" impulses may be going towards battling our general manager, which may well backfire. I hope not. 

    I'm hoping Bobby is a great success but the fact you love him doesn't do anything for me. If he wins stuff and helps us to win then we'll all love him.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: don't make mistakes /> Valentine isn't Francona : I'm doing well, thanks for asking, and I hope all is well with you. Alright, Millar didn't advise Terry on the Roberts steal, but I'm sure he consulted Manny before giving that sign..I think?
    Posted by BOSOX1941[/QUOTE]
    In that situation, Roberts was sent in to run with the understanding, probably, that he'd try to swipe second. It was the right time to gamble. Roberts was the right man to gamble on. Pay-off!

     
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    Francona had to go, but it's way too early to anoint Valentine. So far he seems to think that only managers win ball games.
     
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    [QUOTE]Francona had to go, but it's way too early to anoint Valentine. So far he seems to think that only managers win ball games.
    Posted by maxbialystock[/QUOTE]

    MAX,
    Valentine loves the camera, his ease with the media is one of the reasons he was hired. Media relations is a huge part of the modern managers job description with Bobby V it's a double edged sword, in that he can take alot of the burden off the players by answering the tough questions and keep the media at bay. However he also has a tendency to be too candid. Which if not done correctly can splinter a clubhouse. Valentine knows the game and he also knows that ultimately the players are the ones that have to deliver. His job, not unlike the other 28 managers is to put the best team on the field each day that gives his team the best chance to win. Therein lyes the conundrum that every big league manager faces as they try to navigate the marathon of a 162 game schedule.

    In the end with the talant that he's inherated, if everyone shows up to work everyday and plays to thier ability. We'll be right there come September. As the season opener draws closer. We can safely assume based on the math, that every team in the game will lose at least 60 games and most if not all will win at least 60. It's what they do in the other 42 that separates the winners from the also rans.
     
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    Re: don't make mistakes> Valentine isn't Francona

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: don't make mistakes /> Valentine isn't Francona : "Ace" is a term thrown around loosely, I'll grant you. But in 1996, Pettitte won an AL-leading 21 games (nine more than any other starter for NYY). In 2000, he won 19 (six more than Clemens). So if not "ace," then "best starting pitcher." Not to mention his money reputation in the postseason. As for Rivera, yep, I booted the slow roller on that one. Not the closer in '96. Though he was for the three in a row from 1998-2000. By the way ... Babe, is this you? If so, I defer to your Yankee knowledge.
    Posted by LloydDobler[/QUOTE]he was the setup man for High Wire Wetteland..Tongue out
     
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    Re: don't make mistakes> Valentine isn't Francona

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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: don't make mistakes /> Valentine isn't Francona : LOL.... touche. Look a little closer, I'm Irish with blue eyes, not italian. And that's in Monument Park, not Cooperstown.
    Posted by TBINFL[/QUOTE]
    Well, I'm just all over the map today! Now that I look at it, it's clear that you're outside.
     
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    [QUOTE]The era of the happy-hours inside of the Red Sox Club house is over. Bobby Valentine is not Terry Francona. Bobby Valentine is a very strict manager that will impose respect in the club-house. Although Bobby Valentine will faces lighter competition from the Yanks this year... that doesn't mean that he will understimate the aging Yanks. Not at all. In my opinion, the Yanks still have a lot of unanswer questions this coming season... starting with Cashman's post-games dating affairs. And also the Yanks are heading north on a bus full of dinosaurs. I love Bobby Valentine. He is a warrior.. he is very hungry to win the WS for us this year. Trust me !
    Posted by SuperBenJI[/QUOTE]
     
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    [QUOTE]The era of the happy-hours inside of the Red Sox Club house is over. Bobby Valentine is not Terry Francona. Bobby Valentine is a very strict manager that will impose respect in the club-house. Although Bobby Valentine will faces lighter competition from the Yanks this year... that doesn't mean that he will understimate the aging Yanks. Not at all. In my opinion, the Yanks still have a lot of unanswer questions this coming season... starting with Cashman's post-games dating affairs. And also the Yanks are heading north on a bus full of dinosaurs. I love Bobby Valentine. He is a warrior.. he is very hungry to win the WS for us this year. Trust me !
    Posted by SuperBenJI[/QUOTE]
     

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