One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 4:45 PM EDT
Cody Ross and John Lackey to the Giants for Pitching Prospect Clayton Blackburn and Barry Zito. Giants get a former Post Season hero to replace Melky and Lackey should be better on the West Coast less pressure NL.
Change of scenary could help Zito but he is included because I am certain the Giants wouldn't take Lackey if they were still on the hook for the $20m owed Zito. Blackburn has a high ceiling and could be a top of rotation starter with a great k/BB ratio.
What do you think?
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 6:28 PM EDT
- Bill-806
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Interesting, but does Zito have anything left ????? I have been calling for "TRANSFORMATION" ALL YEAR, never in my wildess dreams would I think that Ben could have done what he has, and Lacky would be a "BONUS" !!!!
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 6:29 PM EDT
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One More Trade to Make:
Cody Ross and John Lackey to the Giants for Pitching Prospect Clayton Blackburn and Barry Zito. Giants get a former Post Season hero to replace Melky and Lackey should be better on the West Coast less pressure NL. Change of scenary could help Zito but he is included because I am certain the Giants wouldn't take Lackey if they were still on the hook for the $20m owed Zito. Blackburn has a high ceiling and could be a top of rotation starter with a great k/BB ratio. What do you think?
Posted by Leftfielder61
The Sox just dumped salary and you want them to take on a $20M/ has been? I don't think so.
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 6:47 PM EDT
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Zito would us 20m for only 1 year, Lackey is owed $30.5m over 2years, so the Sox would save 10.5m but more important they get Lackey out of the clubhouse
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 6:55 PM EDT
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The Giants will lose Zito in one year, why would they want to take Lackey on for three?
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 6:58 PM EDT
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The Giants will lose Zito in one year, why would they want to take Lackey on for three?
Posted by antibody
I think because they'd be getting Cody Ross, who's kind of a hero out here.
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Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 7:06 PM EDT
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Cody Ross and John Lackey to the Giants for Pitching Prospect Clayton Blackburn and Barry Zito. Giants get a former Post Season hero to replace Melky and Lackey should be better on the West Coast less pressure NL. Change of scenary could help Zito but he is included because I am certain the Giants wouldn't take Lackey if they were still on the hook for the $20m owed Zito. Blackburn has a high ceiling and could be a top of rotation starter with a great k/BB ratio. What do you think?
Posted by Leftfielder61
Absolutely not. First of all, we have only 6 weeks of control of Ross so that doesn't have much value. Secondly, Zito seems to have been done for years.
I think there is a very good chance Lackey will be a strong 4/5 SP in 2013 and beyond, if not better. Look at the timeline:
- 5 years, 2005-2009, of good-to-excellent performances from Lackey through age 30
- Sox sign him in the winter of 2009...but with a SPECIFIC TJ clause in his contract (epic blunder to me, but it happened)
- 2010? - worst season of his career
- 2011? Historically bad season by any standard
- 2011 - TJ surgery! What a surprise!
So he used to be pretty good....obviously was injured when signed, got worse but now has had surgery....a procedure that is generally successful these days.
I think his career 162-game average of 15-11, 4.10, 1.345 WHIP over 217 IP (perhaps that a bit high for 2013) is not unreasonable to hope for if you're not among the poultry/hops sect.
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 7:14 PM EDT
I am skeptical that Lackey can ever be an effective pitcher here in Boston. Too much has gone wrong here and its time to move forward. I agree with you Zito has little to nothing left, but taking him back allows us to get rid of Lackey and bring a prospect back.
BTW I will miss Cody, he has been more than we could have hoped but he is not
the long term answer and is expendable.
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 7:57 PM EDT
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There is only one trade they need to make: King Felix for Jake and John.
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 8:02 PM EDT
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There is only one trade they need to make: King Felix for Jake and John.
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Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 8:18 PM EDT
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Giants need to invest in offense.... they already have good pitching.
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 8:24 PM EDT
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Cody Ross and John Lackey to the Giants for Pitching Prospect Clayton Blackburn and Barry Zito. Giants get a former Post Season hero to replace Melky and Lackey should be better on the West Coast less pressure NL. Change of scenary could help Zito but he is included because I am certain the Giants wouldn't take Lackey if they were still on the hook for the $20m owed Zito. Blackburn has a high ceiling and could be a top of rotation starter with a great k/BB ratio. What do you think?
Posted by Leftfielder61
Kudos for an interesting idea. And with SF now trying to fend off the fortified Dodgers, they just might be desperate enough. And I would do it if the opportunity came up and I were Ben C.
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 8:32 PM EDT
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The thing with Lackey is that even if he bounces back next year he's still a jackas.s.
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 8:34 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: One More Trade to Make : I think because they'd be getting Cody Ross, who's kind of a hero out here.
Posted by carnie
Unless Ross wants to sign with the Sox, all the Giants have to do is wait and sign him in the off-season. Taking on Lackey's contract wouldn't be necessarry let alone desirable.
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 8:44 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: One More Trade to Make : Unless Ross wants to sign with the Sox, all the Giants have to do is wait and sign him in the off-season. Taking on Lackey's contract wouldn't be necessarry let alone desirable.
Posted by antibody
The Giants are still in the hunt. Unlike us. And most San Franciscans hate the Dodgers as much as we hate the Yankees.
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 9:01 PM EDT
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I'm not opposed to trading Ross, but can he help the Giants enough to justify them taking on Lackey, too? It would be great if they would take that albatross of Boston's hands. I can't see the Sox catching lightning in a bottle twice in one week, though, but we can hope.
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 9:13 PM EDT
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I think, if the Giants decided to make this trade, it would be an indication that they think Lackey will be a more robust starter, for longer term and cheaper money than Zito, which would improve their team beyond Ross's tenure.
But, they would have to be desperate to make this move, since they would be giving up an excellent pitching prospect.
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 9:29 PM EDT
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I think, if the Giants decided to make this trade, it would be an indication that they think Lackey will be a more robust starter, for longer term and cheaper money than Zito, which would improve their team beyond Ross's tenure. But, they would have to be desperate to make this move, since they would be giving up an excellent pitching prospect.
Posted by parhunter55
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Funny. I changed the tone of my last post because I didn't want to use the word desperate. But that's what they would be if they took Lackey. What if they did that and couldn't sign Ross. That would be a terrible deal.
Also, here's a disturbing thought... what if the Sox don't want to trade Lackey because of the way the team is currently constructed, and if there are no significant deals in the off-season, he could wind up being a TOR guy for them. Hmm...
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 9:37 PM EDT
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I think they would make the move if they didn't have to give up such a huge prospect.
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 9:37 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: One More Trade to Make : . Funny. I changed the tone of my last post because I didn't want to use the word desperate. But that's what they would be if they took Lackey. What if they did that and couldn't sign Ross. That would be a risky if not terrible deal. Also, here's a disturbing thought... what if the Sox don't want to trade Lackey because the way the team is currently constructed, and if there are no significant deals in the off-season, he could wind up being a TOR guy for them. Hmm...
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http://blog.masslive.com/redsoxmonster/2012/08/boston_red_sox_trade_for_rubby.html
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 9:40 PM EDT
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In Response to Re: One More Trade to Make : . Funny. I changed the tone of my last post because I didn't want to use the word desperate. But that's what they would be if they took Lackey. What if they did that and couldn't sign Ross. That would be a risky if not terrible deal. Also, here's a disturbing thought... what if the Sox don't want to trade Lackey because the way the team is currently constructed, and if there are no significant deals in the off-season, he could wind up being a TOR guy for them. Hmm...
Posted by antibody
Well, then, the true fans will just have to be thankful.
The reality is that the Sox's rotation is VEEERRRYY thin next season. If Lackey could become a trustworthy #3 behind Lester and Buchholz that would be amazing. With Doubront, Morales and maybe Aceves rounding out the rotation, they might be a contender for that 3rd WC.
Just maybe the message that needed to be sent has been sent and received. Lackey is well liked in the clubhouse, supposedly, maybe he really is not the problem all assume he is. A fan can hope.
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 9:50 PM EDT
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Nice article. It would be great if he can live up to the potential that many say he has. It would be even better if he can step into the major league rotation and be a solid starter. Realistically, though, I think he will spend next season in the minors. He'll be one to watch for sure.
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 9:56 PM EDT
Man! Am I glad some of the guys on here aren't the new GM. Yes! Lackey needs to go. We will find a buyer for him in the off season. For now? The rest of the season?? He needs to be told to stay away from the team. Keep on his training program. Work out all day long.... Just stay clear of the team, & nobody gets hurt.
:)
Re: One More Trade to Make
posted at 8/26/2012 9:57 PM EDT
p.s. yes! We're going to have to eat a good deal of the contract. I can live with that!!!!
