Re: One View of 2013 and Beyond
posted at 10/28/2012 3:31 AM EDT
In response to notin's comment:
In response to southpaw777's comment:
"Bradley, Jr. and J. Upton will be a solid long term match for many years to come"
"Look at Kemp. That is the player Upton should easily become over the next few seasons"
Many years to come huh? I guess if you consider only 3 years as many, then yeah, I guess so. Upton will be leaving for FA after 2015 right in his prime, or as Moon says, right about the time he becomes Matt Kemp.
I apologize for the sarcasm, but tell me how you build a team around a guy that will be gone in 3 years? You dont. You build a team around a Middlebrooks, or a Pedey, or a Lester. A guy that will be here for at least 6 years and possibly longer. Not for a guy that will surely follow the money in 3 years...
If we are truely looking toward the future, then giving up the prospects it will take to get this guy will surely be sacrificing that to an extent.
Im sure theres nothing to worry about anyway. There are probably more teams out there that would part with better prospects than we would part with to get the services of the Great J. Upton for 3 years.
1. I am fairly certain it is still legal to sign players to extensions. If the Sopx were to extend Upton, whoo will opnly be 28 when his deal expires, he will bne expensive, but he will alsp probably be among the best hitters in the league. The honest chances are it is unlikely Boston even gets him, because Atlanta and Texas have superior farm systems and needs for power hitting outfielders, and other teams will most defintely be in on any bidding, as well. Hopwver, if he does end up in Boston, will you become one of those hater fans who refuses to root for a guy because you did not endorse the deal, or because it might have cost a player you liked in the minors? Please tell me you won't do that. Those people are stupid.
I would almost guarentee that Upton would go to FA. Especially if he does realize his full potential and puts it all together coinsitently every year. I guess unless the Sox back the Brinks truck up to his front door and pay him for the next 10 years. I still think other clubs will be willing to offer AZ more in prospects than BC will be willing to part with.
As far as hating on any player that I personally didnt want...I would never do that. I was totally against Lackey and CC, but rooted them on and hoped they perfromed well. I didnt start multipe threads "hating " on them. Thats useless and a waste of time IMO. I dont get satisfaction, like some here, when guys who play for the Sox that I/they didnt want here, do poorly. That is self-centered and stupid. I root for the Sox, and whether my personal feelings differ with certain players, I will cheer for them as well. If they fail, the Sox fail to a certain extent.
Really, the Sox are going to try and get a big bat for the outfield, and it won't be Bryce Brentz. I would much rather give up the talent to get 25yo Justin Upton for 3 years and worry about extensions after than, than ive up too much talent for 2 years of 33yo Josh Willingham.
If Brentz is part of a deal the Sox make to aquire Upton, thats fine with me. What will bother me is Towers will also want Bogaerts, probably Barnes and or another MLB or ML pitcher and Garin Cecchini as well. I say this only because Ive read where Towers has stated hes looking for a front line pitcher, a SS and a 3b. I imagine the haul would be at least 4 or 5 for 1. Not sure giving up a couple pitchers is worth Upton when we dont have many pitchers at the upper levels.
2. I would take 3 years of Upton over 10 years of Bryce Brentz. Upton is that good despite your dislike of his superior performnce at higher levels than some of the Sox minor leaguers. There is a good reason he was chosen number one overall, and he has shown enough to convince everyone except a small few.
Ive never doubted his potential and have stated that. Its the amount of prospects and which ones they will surely want, the fact that he has yet to put it all together. The numbers say so. Now Im not saying that he wont, Im just looking at his numbers the last 4 years (more than 550PA) and seeing whats right in front of me. And finally only 3 years. Theres no guarentees of re-signing.
Is he a 30HR hitter (which hes only done once as well) or a 15-20? Only batted .300 once, although .280 is good. Not great, but very good. Consistent OBP around .350-.360 with an up and down SLG and OPS. K's a bunch, but slightly improving (not a big concern if he can belt 30HR consistently). His splits are very close on most stats. If we could extend him on a long term deal, I would probably change my stance a bit.