Orioles game thread..oh yeah, the Sox are playing too

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    Yankee catcher is hitting what?

     

    Think they are happy with that?

     
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    It is actually fun to watch Iglesias play short. As far as his bunting; I have two words: Don't bunt.  

     



    Think they're trying to make that his offense, gale. May be better to let him swing, at this point. Do that in ST. 

     




    I do not like the sac bunt.  Maybe for a pitcher , but that is all.  There may be a rare occasion where it is good, but as a rule , I would never give up an out.

     
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    Attaboy, Pedey!

     
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    It is actually fun to watch Iglesias play short. As far as his bunting; I have two words: Don't bunt.  

     



    Think they're trying to make that his offense, gale. May be better to let him swing, at this point. Do that in ST. 

     




    I do not like the sac bunt.  Maybe for a pitcher , but that is all.  There may be a rare occasion where it is good, but as a rule , I would never give up an out.

     



    I've gotten that feeling, gale;))

     

    PD!! Tie game

     
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    And by the way, Pedey swung at the first strike offered this time.

     
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    Time for my "can't stand the Sox taking strike one" rant again.  Just logged on to Gameday and saw that the Sox' lone run came on a double by Ciriaco, the result of swinging at the first pitch. Seven of the Sox' first nine batters took a called strike before getting their bats off their shoulders (little league fundamentals again).  By contrast, in the O's half of the fourth inning, when they scored two, four of six batters swung at the first strike (or perceived strike) they saw.  It's not rocket science.  The more chances to swing, the more the chance of hitting the damned ball.

     Ted Williams knew a little bit about hitting. He said that you might only get one good pitch to hit in an at bat.  With the Sox , that often is the first pitch.  They have it too ingrained in their heads that they are supposed to work the count. That is why they strike out so much. Very few hitters are better with two strikes on them.  Very few.

     

     




     
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    I do not like the sac bunt. Maybe for a pitcher , but that is all. There may be a rare occasion where it is good, but as a rule , I would never give up an out.

    Bunting is really not that bad when used with discretion. Tito had a real problem with it. He hardly ever used it. Here is a link that shows that bunting in the right situation does indeed increase the expectation of scoring runs.

     

    http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/07/empirical_analy_1.php

     
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    As soon as his team scores its a signal for Losester to immediately give those runs and more back. Losester stinks. It will be hard for him to become a #5 SP next year.

     
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    Time for my "can't stand the Sox taking strike one" rant again.  Just logged on to Gameday and saw that the Sox' lone run came on a double by Ciriaco, the result of swinging at the first pitch. Seven of the Sox' first nine batters took a called strike before getting their bats off their shoulders (little league fundamentals again).  By contrast, in the O's half of the fourth inning, when they scored two, four of six batters swung at the first strike (or perceived strike) they saw.  It's not rocket science.  The more chances to swing, the more the chance of hitting the damned ball.

     Ted Williams knew a little bit about hitting. He said that you might only get one good pitch to hit in an at bat.  With the Sox , that often is the first pitch.  They have it too ingrained in their heads that they are supposed to work the count. That is why they strike out so much. Very few hitters are better with two strikes on them.  Very few.

     

     




     



    Ted had it right, of course.  Some guys have no problem hitting with two strikes.  Pedey comes to mind, and I don't go quite so crazy with his usual habit of letting the first strike go.  Some hitters (like a Wade Boggs, e.g.) have no problem with 0-2 or 1-2 counts.  But a guy like Salty, who when down 0-2 or 1-2, is a sure bet to K.  Guys who whiff a lot should be told to swing at the first good pitch they see.  How does Magadan let this crap go on?  This is not a team that can afford to give up pitches, and any team scouting the Sox has to know their proclivity for taking until there is a called strike.

     
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    I do not like the sac bunt. Maybe for a pitcher , but that is all. There may be a rare occasion where it is good, but as a rule , I would never give up an out.

    Bunting is really not that bad when used with discretion. Tito had a real problem with it. He hardly ever used it. Here is a link that shows that bunting in the right situation does indeed increase the expectation of scoring runs.

     

    http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/07/empirical_analy_1.php

     




     

     

     

    Why are you obsessed with Tito you clown?

     



    Hey WallyBrainDead: did you notice that I am ignoring you? How does that feel? OK..back on ignore.

     
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    Just amazing how many times our starters give up runs following our scoring.

     
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    Sox get one: Losester surrenders two. What a stiff. Good for the Orioles though....go O's. Go A's.

     
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    Ciriaco must be on the 25 man roster next season.

     
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    Sox get one: Losester surrenders two. What a stiff. Good for the Orioles though....go O's. Go A's.

     



    NYY 1-A's 0, end of 7. 

     
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    Ciriaco must be on the 25 man roster next season.

     




    I have no idea why he didn't make the team coming out of ST this year. He had a great ST.

     
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    Left side of the IF looking pretty solid.

     
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    Ciriaco must be on the 25 man roster next season.

     




    I have no idea why he didn't make the team coming out of ST this year. He had a great ST.

     




    Yeah, that was a mystery to me, too.

     

     
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    Sabathia is shutting out the A's on one hit through 7. Damn.

     
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    Boy, I sure find the threads with several "[/QUOTE]"s in them hard to get through.  I wish they'd go back to the old format.

     
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    Boy, I sure find the threads with several "

    "s in them hard to get through.  I wish they'd go back to the old format.

     




    I mean like, who is saying what?

 
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    Gomez should be playing first base tonite, and every night. Why play Loney when he is a rental for this year only? Gomez could be our starting 1B next year.

     
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    I mean like, who is saying what?

     

    Try this. Copy and paste; italicize the part you are responding to.

     
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    I do not like the sac bunt. Maybe for a pitcher , but that is all. There may be a rare occasion where it is good, but as a rule , I would never give up an out.

    Bunting is really not that bad when used with discretion. Tito had a real problem with it. He hardly ever used it. Here is a link that shows that bunting in the right situation does indeed increase the expectation of scoring runs.

     

    http://baseballanalysts.com/archives/2006/07/empirical_analy_1.php

     




    There are so many variables when looking at stats like that.   Does it account for whether or not the bunter was a pitcher ?  How about when , attempting to bunt , the bunter gets into a two strike hole and then swings away ?  It does not count as a sacrifice attempt, but reduces the chances of a hit.  I just try to keep it simple in that I don't like giving up an out just to advance a runner one base.  Even if the bunt is successful , which is no sure thing.  Even if one concedes that it can help to score a run , it most certainly hurts the chances of scoring multiple runs.  

     
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    There are so many variables when looking at stats like that. Does it account for whether or not the bunter was a pitcher ? How about when , attempting to bunt , the bunter gets into a two strike hole and then swings away ? It does not count as a sacrifice attempt, but reduces the chances of a hit. I just try to keep it simple in that I don't like giving up an out just to advance a runner one base. Even if the bunt is successful , which is no sure thing. Even if one concedes that it can help to score a run , it most certainly hurts the chances of scoring multiple runs.

    Its a complicated chart. I looked it over only briefly. From what I can see bunting is best used with runners on first and second, no one out and when the pitcher is batting. There are other situations where it pays off too, such as when the lower part of the order is batting. But you are right: there are a lot of variables. If you need a single run to win a game, I think bunting makes more sense than in other situations.

      

     
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    Jon Losester's in game ERA: 5.40. Not even good enough for a #5 SP.

     
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