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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/5/2011 1:55 PM EDT

    Now he is goiing to sign Manny Ramirez, trade no0thing for Pedro and the Orioles are going to win the World Series.

    Because that is what Dan Duquette does - builds World Series teams.  I've read so many times that is what he doies.  He's done it everywhere he has gone.  Except Montreal.  And arguably in Boston.

     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/5/2011 2:06 PM EDT

    I'll miss him on MLB Radio.....geez, the guy if nothing else is very passionate.
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/5/2011 2:18 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager:
    Now he is goiing to sign Manny Ramirez, trade no0thing for Pedro and the Orioles are going to win the World Series. Because that is what Dan Duquette does - builds World Series teams.  I've read so many times that is what he doies.  He's done it everywhere he has gone.  Except Montreal.  And arguably in Boston.
    Posted by notin
    Say what you want about Duke, and don't get me wrong, I really liked Theo too, but Duquette pulled off the two all time greatest heists in Red Sox history. Tony Armas and Carl Pavano for Pedro and Heathcliff Slocumb for Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe were brilliant moves. Theo gets all the credit for adding the complementary pieces like Bill Mueller, Dave Roberts and Orlando Cabrera as well as for signing Big Papi off the scrap heap, but IMO Duke was a very good GM. Plus he's the guy who hired our current GM. If this rumor is true the Orioles will be very good very soon. And feel free to save this post to humiliate me with in case I'm wrong.
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/5/2011 2:38 PM EDT

    I wish Duquette well. He wasn't a terrible GM. He made some nice trades and made some nice draft picks, although he didn't quite build the farm system like he said he wanted to. (Although to be fair, for all GMs, drafting is a crapshoot).

    My problem with Duquette from talking to friends in the business who dealt with him was that he and Harrington created a very toxic environment in the way they dealt with people and there was more paranoia in the organization -- minor league coaches afraid to talk about a prospect, for example -- than in the old Soviet Union. And he and Harrington were anything but fan friendly.
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/5/2011 2:44 PM EDT

       DAN WAS/IS A GOOD  G M  ....... JUST DOES NOT HAVE THE "POLISH/SPIN" OF THE  HENRY/LUCCIANO'S  RED SOX !!!
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/5/2011 4:11 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager:
    I wish Duquette well. He wasn't a terrible GM. He made some nice trades and made some nice draft picks, although he didn't quite build the farm system like he said he wanted to. (Although to be fair, for all GMs, drafting is a crapshoot). My problem with Duquette from talking to friends in the business who dealt with him was that he and Harrington created a very toxic environment in the way they dealt with people and there was more paranoia in the organization -- minor league coaches afraid to talk about a prospect, for example -- than in the old Soviet Union. And he and Harrington were anything but fan friendly.
    Posted by royf19


    Should be an interesting marriage with Showalter :)
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/5/2011 4:18 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager:
    Duke was a good GM.  I think both he and Theo did good jobs, but in the end Duke doesn't get enough credit and Theo gets too much credit.  I can't believe he wasn't offered a GM job elsewhere after 02, there are some downright horrible GMs out there, Dan would be an asset to half the teams in MLB.
    Posted by cberbes


    I fully agree cberbes!
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/5/2011 5:13 PM EDT

    Duke was a good GM.  I think both he and Theo did good jobs, but in the end Duke doesn't get enough credit and Theo gets too much credit.  I can't believe he wasn't offered a GM job elsewhere after 02, there are some downright horrible GMs out there, Dan would be an asset to half the teams in MLB.
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/5/2011 5:35 PM EDT

    I wish Duquette well. He wasn't a terrible GM. He made some nice trades and made some nice draft picks, although he didn't quite build the farm system like he said he wanted to. (Although to be fair, for all GMs, drafting is a crapshoot).

    There was really very little coming from his drafts.

    Nomar, Pavano, Youkilis, MDC, Duchscherer, in 8 years doesn't seem like a lot.

    His 1st round picks (including supplementals)
    Nomar
    Yount
    Jenkins
    Garrett 
    Reitsma
    Curtice
    Fischer
    Everett
    Asoordorian
    Baker
    Fossum
    Dumatrait

    That just pales in comparison to Theo.  Granted, any single draftee is a crapshoot, but the larger the sample, the closer it gets to accuracy.  At the end of the day, the RS won 5 playoff games in his 8 years, and missed the playoffs in his last three years.  We've won 95 or more 6 times in 9 years under Theo, and -0- times under Duquette.

    Just a guess, but I wouldn't expect much success under DD.
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/5/2011 5:50 PM EDT

    In Response to Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager:
    I wish Duquette well. He wasn't a terrible GM. He made some nice trades and made some nice draft picks, although he didn't quite build the farm system like he said he wanted to. (Although to be fair, for all GMs, drafting is a crapshoot). There was really very little coming from his drafts. Nomar, Pavano, Youkilis, MDC, Duchscherer, in 8 years doesn't seem like a lot. His 1st round picks (including supplementals) Nomar Yount Jenkins Garrett  Reitsma Curtice Fischer Everett Asoordorian Baker Fossum Dumatrait That just pales in comparison to Theo.  Granted, any single draftee is a crapshoot, but the larger the sample, the closer it gets to accuracy.  At the end of the day, the RS won 5 playoff games in his 8 years, and missed the playoffs in his last three years.  We've won 95 or more 6 times in 9 years under Theo, and -0- times under Duquette. Just a guess, but I wouldn't expect much success under DD.
    Posted by Joebreidey


    I remembered Nomar and Youk and thought there might have been a couple of others, but yeah, overall, the farm system was a tremendous disappointment under Duke.

    But I harbor no ill-will for the guy and used to respect the Orioles organization, so I think it would be good for baseball if the Orioles could return to being a contender.
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/5/2011 7:00 PM EDT

    Baltimore is getting a first class man and a GM that will help turn that team around if ownership lets him.  Angelos has really let the Orioles fall into decline since he took over ownership.
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/6/2011 12:54 AM EDT

    no doubt, who would wish against the Duke having success in Baltimore? He was a decent GM, and the AL East has longed to have balance restored by the O's rising from the dead.
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/6/2011 1:39 AM EST

    We've won 95 or more 6 times in 9 years under Theo, and -0- times under Duquette.

    Epstein's budgets were much larger. The Red Sox didn't allow Duquette to take on significant payroll until the 2000s.
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/6/2011 2:49 AM EST

    In Response to Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager:
    We've won 95 or more 6 times in 9 years under Theo, and -0- times under Duquette. Epstein's budgets were much larger. The Red Sox didn't allow Duquette to take on significant payroll until the 2000s.
    Posted by davidap


    Of course, Duquette's payrolls were also significantly closer to the rival payrolls in his division, and he never had a $200mill payroll to contend with...
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/6/2011 3:20 AM EST

    must say i love this move. live in balt and he's just what he needs. could not get y noone had given him a job by now. has become a great insightful interview. this is badddd for the sawx. i can see us falling behind orioles next year as we fight for  fourth or third. duke's first move will be to get theo to trade 2 or 3 of the cubs stars for peanuts than get outmaneuver cherington for PAPI and even pap! he will overpay if he must to send that strong psychological message. pap gets 3 years flat and pap gets mariano money for 3 years as well with a 4th year as the team option!
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/6/2011 9:57 AM EST

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    I'll miss him on MLB Radio.....geez, the guy if nothing else is very passionate.
    Posted by sindarin-erebor


    The guy on MLB radio is Jim Duquette.
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/6/2011 10:28 AM EST

    In Response to Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager:
    In Response to Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager : Of course, Duquette's payrolls were also significantly closer to the rival payrolls in his division, and he never had a $200mill payroll to contend with...
    Posted by notin


    The team's payroll was not Duqutte's undoing and one could argue that his lack of success in player development was due to the Harrington group slashing the budget for scouting and development while positioning the team for sale and channeling those money into the Yawkey trust. His greatest failings in the draft was he spent valuable money and resources scouting and signing players from Asia...none of whom ever paid off...

    Duke's undoing IMHO is aside from his surly demeanor is that he never embraced the concept that pitching wins and spent most of his budgeted resources on the aquisition of hitters and signed guy like Jose Offerman and Jose Conseco...His best teams of the late 90's after letting Clemens walk in the twilight of his career and then aquiring Pedro were very thin and not built for post season success with the likes of soft tosser like Burkett, oft injured Brett Saberhagen, Castillo and Ramon Martinez all pitching meaniful innings in the post season...

    http://www.stevetheump.com/Payrolls.htm
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/6/2011 10:41 AM EST

    In Response to Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager:
    In Response to Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager : The guy on MLB radio is Jim Duquette.
    Posted by Rutland76

    Ooops, my bad and thanks for the catch. Senior momentEmbarassed
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/6/2011 10:47 AM EST

    Dan D also signed Hanley Ramirez as an international FA.  Later HanRam and A. Sanchez were dealt by the next administration for Beckett and Lowell.
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/6/2011 11:17 AM EST

    In Response to Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager:
    Dan D also signed Hanley Ramirez as an international FA.  Later HanRam and A. Sanchez were dealt by the next administration for Beckett and Lowell.
    Posted by moonslav59


    He also drafted Casey Fossum who was one the key guys in the trade to aquire Schilling...

    In the end Duquette was a decent GM and given the resources at his disposal like it or not he never built a serious WS contender. The question that begs to be answered was how much did Harrinton influence his roster decisions and who was the guy in charge of the team phylosophy and if it was the Duke who had the autonomy to build the team, then IMHO he's doesn't warrant a ton of accolades...

    Because cleary something changed when Luccino moved into to town in 2002. Who along with his band of minions from San Diego (Epstein, Hoyer and Brynes). Took what was a pretty good team and within two years...Were legit championship contenders. After adding, Mueller, Millar, Ortiz and falling 1 game short of a WS in 2003, then retooling the roster in the offseason of 2003, and as we all know in 2004 we won it all! Make no mistake about it, we don't win it if not for the core guys that the Duke left behind, but the aquisition of Schilling and FA signing of Foulke were what put us over the top...
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/6/2011 11:45 AM EST

    No doubt Bean, but we will never know if Dan D might have made those same deals with the new administration. It's pure speculation.

    It's hard to go back and try and reconstruct what ifs, but it's hard to imagine Dan saying no to the Fossum for Schill trade.
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/6/2011 11:49 AM EST

    In Response to Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager:
    In Response to Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager : The guy on MLB radio is Jim Duquette.
    Posted by Rutland76

    His cousin and former Orioles GM.
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/6/2011 11:59 AM EST

    In Response to Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager:
    No doubt Bean, but we will never know if Dan D might have made those same deals with the new administration. It's pure speculation. It's hard to go back and try and reconstruct what ifs, but it's hard to imagine Dan saying no to the Fossum for Schill trade.
    Posted by moonslav59


    That may well be true but there was no way he was going to be retained by Henry and Luccino when they bought the club...totally differening pylosophies and the Duke was never very good at dealing with the press....

    I doubt that the Duke travels to arizona on Thnksgiving to seal the Schilling deal which according to what has been written and stated by Schilling himself was what swung the deal in our favor was the presentation given by Espstein of hwhich Schilling was very impressed by the amount of detail and prepartion that went into the presentation, that they also played to his ego with the WS bonus didn't hurt either I suspect...
     

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    Re: The Baltimore Orioles are close to officially naming Dan Duquette as their next general manager

    posted at 11/6/2011 1:17 PM EST

    That may well be true but there was no way he was going to be retained by Henry and Luccino when they bought the club...totally differening pylosophies and the Duke was never very good at dealing with the press....

    I doubt that the Duke travels to arizona on Thnksgiving to seal the Schilling deal which according to what has been written and stated by Schilling himself was what swung the deal in our favor was the presentation given by Espstein of hwhich Schilling was very impressed by the amount of detail and prepartion that went into the presentation, that they also played to his ego with the WS bonus didn't hurt either I suspect...

    True enough, but if you look at the overall body of work in terms of how well did all their trades and FA signings work out in hindsight, the disparity is minimal at best. I'm not sure if the farm building suffered because of Dan D or the organizational philosophy, but Dan made some super deals. It seems Theo's best moves were mostly limited to 2003-2004, when it was said that Lucciano had a strong influence on the decisions. I'm not downplaying Theo's role in getting Schill, Papi, Mueller, Millar and Foulke, but when he gained more control, the very good moves nearly disappeared.