Ortiz accepts arbitration.

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    [QUOTE]Ortiz could have been signed to a 2yr $20 deal with incentives back in October. But we were too busy crying over Theo's departure and floundering in disarray. Then poor Cherington tries to go cheap and insist on $18 million instead of $20. Bah! So the whole excersize in futility will now cost us $15 million this yr and $17 next, assuming we can even sign him next season if he has another good yr. So add up the $5 million lost this season, and the $7 million or so for next ( or the full replacement cost if he walks), and you've just handed away 65% of Heath Bell's cost for 2yrs. Bah!!~!!!!!
    Posted by Teakus[/QUOTE]

    Why would it cost them $17M next year? If he plays this year and does well, they won't go through this process again. They gambled this time and lost. They won't do it again.
     
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    Re: Ortiz accepts arbitration.

    No "substantive" talks.
     
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    [QUOTE]In Response to Re: Ortiz accepts arbitration. : Why would it cost them $17M next year? If he plays this year and does well, they won't go through this process again. They gambled this time and lost. They won't do it again.
    Posted by ADG[/QUOTE]

    Yes, the Sox have the option of not offering arb next year as well.

    They may still sign Papi to a 2 year deal to lessen the burden of the luxtax hit, maybe something like this:

    2012: base $11M (Incentives that could bring him to $13M)
    2013: base $10M (Same incentives to $12M)
    2014: base $9M (same incentives to $11) Team buyout $1M)

    Min deal: $22M/2 or $30M/3
    Max deal: $26M/2 or 36M/3

    Lux tax hit: $22M/3 (About $7M/year) or $30M/3 (plus incentives)

     
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    I cringe at the thought. He had better surprise me and hit 35 homers and drive in 115. That is what the legend used to do.
     
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    Re: Ortiz accepts arbitration.

    it does not matter that ortiz accepted arbitration or not, with the team the RS will put on the field in 2012.

    with the angles signing pujols and wilson, makes them a much better team the the RS, Texas, new york, and tampa bay also have a better team then the RS, 

    hell even the blue jays will probable have a better team then the RS, which makes the playoffs in 2012 not very possible, 

    can't wait for 2014  
     
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    [QUOTE]it does not matter that ortiz accepted arbitration or not, with the team the RS will put on the field in 2012. with the angles signing pujols and wilson, makes them a much better team the the RS, Texas, new york, and tampa bay also have a better team then the RS,  hell even the blue jays will probable have a better team then the RS, which makes the playoffs in 2012 not very possible,  can't wait for 2014  
    Posted by sinjin5000[/QUOTE]

    Do those teams have a guy like Buch returning from injury? Not to mention Youk, Jenks, Dice-k (in july) and a possibly resurgent Crawford.

    That being said, I get your point. I even listed out a scenario where we could have planned for 2013 and beyond and make 2012 a true "bridge year". Basically, trade everyone who will not be here in 2014 now. Build up the farm, and when we lose these salaries, we stock up on better quality FAs that are of the 2013 variety.

    Papi $12-15M
    Youk $13M (team option or $1m buyout)
    Dice-K $10M
    Scutaro $6M
    Jenks $6M

    We could possibly free up about $50M for 2013, but if we planned to win in 2013, we could trade these guys now (pay part of some of their salaries), and use that extra "savings" to apply to the $50M to be spent next winter.


     

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