Re: Ortiz looking for 2 years
posted at 10/16/2012 12:00 PM EDT
In response to ma6dragon9's comment:
In response to carnie's comment:
In response to ma6dragon9's comment:
[QUOTE]Good analysis sideshow. How many playoff appearances in the past 3 years? So how did his production help anything?
If you want to talk baseball, go for it. You offered NOTHING in that infantile post. You should stick to checkers.[/QUOTE]
And exactly what analysis have you offered besides the fact that you hate David Ortiz? But I guess I shouldn't expect more from a guy who doesn't actually watch Red Sox games. BTW I wasn't trying to be insulting, as I find your posts on football to be both thoughtful and informative. But thank you for your condescending and insulting reply.
I offered analysis time and time again for 3 years now. Most people would rather stick their head in the sand that take some time to look at what he's done.
-The public compaining about money
-The public complaining about stats
-Throwing Francona under the bus
-His comments after last year about considering going to NY, and not wanting to deal with the nonsense here...the nonsense he didn't help to diffuse as the longest tenured member of the team.
-And, what, exactly are we trying to replace? A guy who's ankle exploded running the bases? Is he going to be in BETTER Condition now that he's a year older? Is his body more, or less likely to hold up over 162 game season?
NEWS FLASH! This team likely isn't going to be any better next year either...so why just throw MORE money away?
-The past 2 seasons have led to 2 managerial firings. This may very well be the first time in the history of MLB a team is going to a third manager in three years.
-Why should I think it won't carry over? The horrible september from 2011 carried over to this year, and they just had a WORSE september in 2012.
People were whining and complaining about "how are we going to replace Beckett?" I doubt anyone would have the guts to come and defend that line of thinking...but lets just transfer it to Ortiz since it made so much sense with Beckett...
You people need to wake up and look at the reality of this team
To Felix in SEA...ummm, I've heard for at least 2 years how Seattle is going to trade Hernandez to Boston because they stink, so which side of that should I listen to? Some of you were on BOTH sides now.
McCutcheon and Pedroia are UNDER CONTRACT, their situations aren't even CLOSE to comparable. ORtiz is a FREE AGENT! A FA who said he 'just wants 2 years' last year...and now 'just wants 2 more years'. If he starts producing and actually stays healthy, what would suggest he won't AGAIN start whining about money, respect, and contract length? He's proven it over the past few YEARS! I can GUARANTEE that if they give him 2 years, and he produces in 2013, the whining will start in spring training of 2014...as is his MO.
And Carnie...if you weren't trying to be insulting, you really need to work on your people skills. To say NOTHING other than 'you should stick to football'...well, if that isn't insulting, or an attempt to be, I don't know what is. It was a thinly veiled jab. If you want to deny it now, fine, but I'll think you're lying. I responded in kind, and when I feel someone took the first jab at me, yes, I go over the top to hammer my point home.
And, to everyone else AGAIN who is saying "well they gave X money to Lackey, so they can just give him 2/25"...what got them into this trouble in the FIRST place? That kind of thinking. If you've beenhappy with the team for the past 3 seasons...then fine. The conversation ends their. I've been frustrated with this team for a few years, and have caught a considerable amount of flak for it, and if nothing else, I'm staying consistent. This mess is a LONG way from being fixed, and Ortiz does not represent any kind of solution.
Wipe the slate CLEAN, and start over. IF this team is going to be successful in the next 86 years, it's NOT going to be because of Ortiz. It's probably not going to be because of Pedroia or Lester either. It's going to be Middlebrooks, Bogaerts, Bradley, and others who are currently working their way through the minors. 2007 was a LONG time ago...if it wasn't, people would be sayingt o just pay Mike Lowell whatever he wants to...as they did. And the Sox paid him...and how'd that work out?
The Red Sox have a great deal of trouble "wiping the slate clean". Keep in mind that even though over-the-hill stiffs like Varitek and Wakefield retired last season, THEY WERE INVITED TO SPRING TRAINING. They were told by Valentine they most likely wouldn't make the team and that is why they left. If he hadn't told them that they would have been around for another year this past season. With Ortiz it is a bit more complicated. Papi may have something left but he is now a big injury risk---achilles tendons don't heal that quickly and permanently, plus he has has shoulder, neck, knee and other assorted injuries to boot. I would give him a one year offer---take it or leave it. We have to turn the page somewhere finally and u tterly. Just because we gave money to Lackey should not mean we keep doing these stupid things over and over again. If Papi says no, good luck to him and thanks for the memories. This is a business, a ruthless one and the bottom line is producing a winner. We need to go in a new direction.