Ortiz looking for 2 years

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    In response to Hfxsoxnut's comment:

     

    2 years, 26 million.  A slight decrease in pay, similar to Jeter's last deal.

     




    THIS.  100%.

    THE DAY THE RED SOX SAVED A QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS IS THE DAY THEY SHOULD HAVE SIGNED PAPI TO 2 YEAR DEAL.  why do we have to bargain shop for DH?  our payroll is slashed.  they will not spend it on another position.  it is ridiculous that this hasnt been settled yet.  David is right for calling it "disgusting".  this man has earned it and continues to.  FO should have put a 2 year contract in front of Papi and told him to fill in the $ amount and sign it.  WHY DO THE BOSTON RED SOX NEED TO COST CUT FOR DH POSITION? 
    ridiculous.

     
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    Eff flupper!

     
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    There is no doubt that Papi has done an awful lot of tremendous hitting for the Red Sox and was once the face of the franchise by helping us win two World Series.  However, let's try to be a little realistic about this for a change.  The guy is going to be 37 very soon, has a bad achilles tendon, has had troubles with his wrist and shoulders, and the going rate for DH's has been plummeting since most teams employ a semi-regular or rotate one of their better players to DH for them.

    We should offer him a one year contract with a mutual player-club option.  If he performs well, he gets the option, if not, he doesn't.  All this talk of we have to give this or that because of what he has meant to the team is miserable business sense and it doesn't help the win in the long run.  The Red Sox have been guilty as h@ll with this auld lang syne  garbage.  We saw it with their keeping Varitek and Wakefield around two or three years too long with disastrous results.  Offer him a one and one and if he doesn't want to take it let him look elsewhere.  He might find the market for an expensive DH is drying up faster than the Sahara Desert.

     
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    Re: Ortiz looking for 2 years

    There is no doubt that Papi has done an awful lot of tremendous hitting for the Red Sox and was once the face of the franchise by helping us win two World Series.  However, let's try to be a little realistic about this for a change.  The guy is going to be 37 very soon, has a bad achilles tendon, has had troubles with his wrist and shoulders, and the going rate for DH's has been plummeting since most teams employ a semi-regular or rotate one of their better players to DH for them.

    We should offer him a one year contract with a mutual player-club option.  If he performs well, he gets the option, if not, he doesn't.  All this talk of we have to give this or that because of what he has meant to the team is miserable business sense and it doesn't help the win in the long run.  The Red Sox have been guilty as h@ll with this auld lang syne  garbage.  We saw it with their keeping Varitek and Wakefield around two or three years too long with disastrous results.  Offer him a one and one and if he doesn't want to take it let him look elsewhere.  He might find the market for an expensive DH is drying up faster than the Sahara Desert.

     
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    In response to mrmojo1120's comment:

    They have to give Ortiz the 2 years.If they lose him to free angency,the front office would take a HUGE public relations hit.People would hate them for letting Ortiz go especially with the salary they dumped.

      Besides that,he's the best hitter the Red Sox have.He's leading the team in Average,Slugging and OBP.He's just recently been tied for the HR lead by Saltalamacchia.

      If anyone deserves to be overpaid,Ortiz has earned that right for a 2 year deal.He may only be good for a couple of months,but it's possible he can be good for another 2 years too.

     



    If he can be good for another couple of years, let him prove it. I would not give him more than one year with a club option for a second year. If he produces he gets, in effect, a second year. The burden of proof will be on him.

     
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    The sox would be crazy to talk to Ortiz at the moment.  Once again let David test the market. 

     
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    2 yrs @ $11M each + incentives on games played ($1M if Ortiz plays more than 140 games something like that) and 3rd year team option at $9M. 

     
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    Who cares if theres a 2 year market for him on another team. The Sox can afford, and should offer him 2yrs around 24mm...He means more to this team and city, from a player and a business standpoint, than any other team..

     
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    In response to TrotterNixon's comment:

    Wrong. There is no market for 24M guaranteed. Assuming he passes the medical records scrutiny, offering him 1 year and 12M and a mutual option and team buyout of 2M will mean he will sign with the Red Sox because he'd take a huge pay cut if he signed elsewhere.

    You must have teken the Cherry and Inepstein GM for Dummies course, bidding against yourself where you see a Coke for a dollar but you offer 2 dollars.



    You've suggested so many different offers over the past year that you are bound to get one of them right.

    Then you will brag about it for years.

     
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    No kidding.  That's why I ignore B.S. comments like that. Ortiz has more to lose and nothing to gain. He was on pace for more than 35 home runs and even 40 with one hot streak to go along with 115-plus RBIs and a top three -- maybe top -- OPS.  Missing out on those numbers is costing him money.  royf19

     

    "on pace" ???  What does that really mean. If s player played one game and hit a homer you could say he was on pace for 162 home-runs.

     

    "on pace" ? lol. Did he hit 35 homers?  When was the last time he hit 35 homers?  115 ribbies? Really? I haven't see those numbers on his stat sheet in a long long time.




     
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    2007 was the very last time Ortiz hit 35/115.... 2007 !!!! that was 5 years ago!  Roy likes to pay a player for "was on pace" numbers rather than the actual numbers

     
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    Re: Ortiz looking for 2 years

    In response to TrotterNixon's comment:

    Wrong. There is no market for 24M guaranteed. Assuming he passes the medical records scrutiny, offering him 1 year and 12M and a mutual option and team buyout of 2M will mean he will sign with the Red Sox because he'd take a huge pay cut if he signed elsewhere.

    You must have teken the Cherry and Inepstein GM for Dummies course, bidding against yourself where you see a Coke for a dollar but you offer 2 dollars.




    read my post again and pay attention this time... I said who cares if theres not a 2yr market on him. He means more to this team and city than any other place...

     
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    since 2004 Papi has played in 140+ games a year, over 150 games 4 of them except for 2 of them....When he got hit on the wrist with a pitch and this year. hes been durable his whole career. 28, 32, 29...Those are his HR totals the last 3 years. 99, 102, 96 are his RBI...Id take that for 12mm per and 2 years...

     
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    There is in Boston...I dont care about the other 29 teams...Understand now? Your not evena Sox fan so what do you care...Your wrong, so just sit there in all your wrongness and be wrong..

     
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    2 years isnt going to kill the team...but hes not worth the money at this point in his career

     
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    @ trotter - how much are the sox paying cook this year?  i would take wakey-wakey @ 2MM over that everyday 5th day of the week everytime.....

    how about you?

     
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    Ortiz is worth every penny that he asks for.  The Red Sox owe him.  I'd love to have a team full of guys like Ortiz.  He knows what his worth is and he isn't going to be an idiot about it like some would.

     
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    In response to MichFan's comment:

    Ortiz is worth every penny that he asks for.  The Red Sox owe him.  I'd love to have a team full of guys like Ortiz.  He knows what his worth is and he isn't going to be an idiot about it like some would.



    The Red Sox owe him? Thats not the way the business works. No team owes a player anything other than to fulfill their half of the contract between them. I don't see him being worth much more than $12 for one year with a team option for a second year. Why should the Red Sox assume the risk of a drop in production, which could occur at any time given his age? Hey-hey has done a lot for the franchise. But they owe him nothing.

     
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