Ortiz to Accept Arbitration

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    Re: Ortiz to Accept Arbitration

    OK, a novel was not needed. Let me clarify this, as Luther Heggs would say, that would be sufficient;)
     
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    Ortiz is a Sox icon. Would like to see him finish his career in Boston. He is still a productive D.H.  The Sox salary problems are due to the Lackey and Crawford contracts. They are just going to have to deal with that , while still putting together a championship caliber roster.
     
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    Ortiz is a Sox icon. Would like to see him finish his career in Boston. He is still a productive D.H.  The Sox salary problems are due to the Lackey and Crawford contracts. They are just going to have to deal with that , while still putting together a championship caliber roster.
    Posted by dgalehouse

    They will have to "deal with it" a long time!

    There are 10 things to have hope about ...

    1) Crawford returns to career norm.
    2) Buch returns to 2009 form.
    3) Youk stays healthy a full season (or at least after Sept 1st).
    4) Jenks helps.
    5) Lava hits MLB pitching like he has the minors.
    6) Reddick or Kalish come of age.
    7) Dice-K helps upon his return.
    8) Beckett and Lester pitch like they have something to prove in '12.
    9) Bogar coaches 1st base not 3rd.
    10) Bobby V makes a positive difference.

     
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    I don't know how the Sox are poor negotiators.  They will gladly overpay Ortiz to keep him here with an arb deal because it's low risk.  He's the best DH on the market, he's an icon, and they don't have to worry about next year until they see him play a full season this year.  If he performs, he stays.  Or if someone wants to sign him away, they'll bank the compensatory picks. 

    So, one year contract and motivated Ortiz or two picks.  How is that bad?  For those who say Ortiz will gripe about not having a long term deal, oh well.  He's being overpaid and he probably knows it. 
     
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    It's great having Papi back, but we have to look at it for what it is: his contract will restrict what we can do rebuilding our staff.
     
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    In Response to Re: Ortiz to Accept Arbitration : I suspect the Red Sox offered David Ortiz arbitration because the Sox thought Ortiz in fact would attract "serious offers" and therefore a declined arbitration offer would result in compensatory draft picks. Perhaps each side misjudged the market.
    Posted by hill55


    You may be right. It certainly appears that the interest in Ortiz was not there. Otherwise why bother accepting arbitration. It seems that both he and the Sox over estimated his value on the open market. 
     
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    I know this thread is about Ortiz, but speaking of sluggers...Pujols has made his decision....

    Angels will pay Pujols $250 million to $260 million over 10 years.  Quite a committment for one player.
     
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    I know this thread is about Ortiz, but speaking of sluggers...Pujols has made his decision.... Angels will pay Pujols $250 million to $260 million over 10 years.  Quite a committment for one player.
    Posted by michaelsjr


     
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    Angels are paying mostly for a DH for most of this embarrassingly bad value contract.

    32 Years old  25 million base  likely palatable performance value
    33 Years old  25 M  likely palatable performance value
    34 Years old  25 M likely palatable performance value
    35 Years old  25 M dubious performance value
    36 Years old  25 M dubious performance value

    37 Years old  25 M unlikely performance value
    38 Years old  25 M Nearly Certain Poor performance value
    39 Years old  25M  Nearly Certain Poor performance value
    40 Years old  25M  Certain embarrassing performance value (Write off)
    41 Years old  25M  Certain embarrassing performance value (Write off)

    100 to 125M of this contract is nearly certain poor performance or write off

    No marketing PR and claims of legacy brand sales is going to recoup 30 to 50% of this cost in an already good baseball market with other big stars in more popular sports

    Agon is a very good value compared to this Inesptein deal. This deal rises near the level of Crawford in terms of one of the worst value contracts in MLB history.
     
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    As horrible and team-debilitating the CC signing was, at least more years were within the "prime years" and somewhat productive years on the age/value chart.
     
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    The problem is that Crawford at his best is still a poor value. At least pujols at his best is a palatable during those few years before baseball old age.
     
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    I totally agree, and said at the time of the signing, that even if Crawford gave us 7 years just like 2010, he'd still be way overpaid. paying glorified platoon hitters with an overall OPS under .780 that kind of money was just pure insanity.
     
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    Re: Ortiz to Accept Arbitration

    True, but Inesptein may have taught Cherry by doing the opposite on FA contract offers to 2nd tier talents.
     
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