Other top Red Sox prospect lists

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    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
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    The Red Sox also have a good reputation of beating the odds.  If you look at all the Red Sox who have been ranked by BA over the last 10 years they've produced more than the average number of productive players and stars.  

    The Sox have a reputation of good player development. 

     

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    Looking at some of soxprospects top prospects' lists over the years-years when our system was not as highly rated as now, shows a great percent of our youngsters did well or great:

    2004

    1) hanRam

    2 B Moss

    3 Pedey

    4 A Alvarez

    5 Papelbon

    6 Lester

    7 J Cedano

    8 Delcarmen

    9 J West

    10 Shoppach

    13 A Sanchez

    20 D Murphy

     

    2005

    1 Papelbon

    2 Lester

    3 A Sanchez

    4 HanRam

    5 C Hansen

    6 Delcarmen

    7 Pedroia

    8 Shoppach

    9 B Moss

    10 D Pauley

    11 D Murphy

    13 Ellsbury

    14 Lowrie

    17 Buchholz

     

    2006

    1 Papelbon

    2 Lester

    3 Hansen

    4 Pedroia

    5 Delcarmen

    6 Ellsbury

    7 Lowrie

    8 Buchholz

    9 D Murphy

    10 B Moss

    WOW!  What a list!!!!

     

    2007 

    1 Buch

    2 Ells

    3 Bowden

    4 masterson

    5 Lowrie

    6 Lars

    7 Hagadone

    8 B Moss

     9 Kalish

    10 O tejada

    11 Reddick

    12 Middy

     

    2008

    1 Buch

    2 Ells

    3 Mast

    4 Lars

    5 Lowrie

    6 Bowden

    7 Hagadone

    8 Kalish

    9 tejada

    10 Middy

    11 B Moss

    12 Reddick

     

    Then it gets a little sketchy...

    2009

    1 Lars

    2 Bowden

    3 reddick

    4 bard

    5 Taz

    6 Haga

    7 Kelly

    8 Almanzar

    9 Westmoreland

    10 Kalish

    18 S Fife

    19 Middy

     

    2010

    1 Kelly

    2 Redd

    3 kalish

    4 lars

    5 Rizzo

    6 Iggy

    7 Pimental

    8 Y Navarro

    9 L Exposito

    10 C-H Lin

    11 Doubront

    13 Taz

     

    2011

    1 Middy

    2 kalish

    3 Ranaudo

    4 Bogey

    5 Iggy

    6 Lava

    7 Barnes

     8 Brentz

    9 B jacobs

    10 Swihart

    12 Cecchini

    13 Weiland

    14 Doubront

    16 Britton

     

    Sept 2013

    1 Bogey

    2 JBJ

    3 cecchini

    4 Owens

    5 barnes

    6 ranaudo

    7 webster

    8 swihart

    9 t ball

    10 betts

    11 workman

    12 britton

    13 vazquez

    14 Margot

    15 johnson

    16 stanki

    17 marrero

    18 brentz

    19 denny

    20 rijo

    21 devers

    22 callahan

     

    I hope the 2013 list turns out like some of the others!

     

     

     

     
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    Re: Other top Red Sox prospect lists

    Someone posted a comment on the soxprospects board that showed Red Sox prospects ranked over the last several years and compared how many went boom bust VS. those BA percentages.  I think it would be nice to research that on my own and not just take someones word for it but the names seemed to be right.

    Point was the Red Sox have been much more efficient than everyone else.  They seem to have a higher graduation rate into above average players and a smaller bust rate for the respected ranking slots.

    It is possible to at least some extent this is an anomaly, but I would like to believe that there is something real there that can be said about the Sox ability to scout and develop talent. 

     
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    Re: Other top Red Sox prospect lists

    The roughly 2005-08 wave of prospects was really something, looking back:

    Youkilis, Papelbon, Lester, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Buchholz - that's six guys who would go on to make All-Star appearances in a Red Sox uniform. Plus Han-Ram and Sanchez, who have had pretty nice careers (to say the least) for other teams.

    Lowrie, Masterson, Bard, Moss, Murphy, Reddick, Middlebrooks, Shoppach, Delcarmen - all turned into useful major leaguers to one degree or another.


    The next few years featured a lot of misses (Bowden? Lars? Hagadone at #6? Yamaico Navarro at #8??)..but my hope is that our current class of prospects can, in time, have a similar impact to that of the 2005-08 "golden era" of the farm.

     
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    Someone posted a comment on the soxprospects board that showed Red Sox prospects ranked over the last several years and compared how many went boom bust VS. those BA percentages.  I think it would be nice to research that on my own and not just take someones word for it but the names seemed to be right.

    Point was the Red Sox have been much more efficient than everyone else.  They seem to have a higher graduation rate into above average players and a smaller bust rate for the respected ranking slots.

    It is possible to at least some extent this is an anomaly, but I would like to believe that there is something real there that can be said about the Sox ability to scout and develop talent. 

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    Maybe part of the reason is we don't rush players, in general.

    I think our scouting system and talent evaluators have been very good.

     
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    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
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    Someone posted a comment on the soxprospects board that showed Red Sox prospects ranked over the last several years and compared how many went boom bust VS. those BA percentages.  I think it would be nice to research that on my own and not just take someones word for it but the names seemed to be right.

    Point was the Red Sox have been much more efficient than everyone else.  They seem to have a higher graduation rate into above average players and a smaller bust rate for the respected ranking slots.

    It is possible to at least some extent this is an anomaly, but I would like to believe that there is something real there that can be said about the Sox ability to scout and develop talent. 

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    Maybe part of the reason is we don't rush players, in general.

    I think our scouting system and talent evaluators have been very good.

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    Agreed.  It does seem at times we are overly conservative with advancing players but I think the sum is generally better player development.  Xander Bogaerts gets rushed to the majors in just about any system but a player for example like Owens who probably makes his MLB debut on perhaps a few teams last year, as opposed to Boston where we likely won't see him until 2015, MAYBE in 2014. 

     
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    Re: Other top Red Sox prospect lists

    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:

    Someone posted a comment on the soxprospects board that showed Red Sox prospects ranked over the last several years and compared how many went boom bust VS. those BA percentages.  I think it would be nice to research that on my own and not just take someones word for it but the names seemed to be right.

    Point was the Red Sox have been much more efficient than everyone else.  They seem to have a higher graduation rate into above average players and a smaller bust rate for the respected ranking slots.

    It is possible to at least some extent this is an anomaly, but I would like to believe that there is something real there that can be said about the Sox ability to scout and develop talent. 



    Yeah... what you are referring to is the thread that I created over there.  My username is patrmac04 on soxprospects and the guy who answered me is ericmvan and here is the post you are talking about I believe:

     

      15 hours ago patrmac04 said:
    Position players have a roughly 60% chance of success in the top 20.  


    Since 2003 we're 2 for 3 (Hanley, Ellsbury, Lars). I don't think anyone's betting against Xander making it 3 for 4.

    Position players have about a 37% chance of success 21-50  


    We're 0 for 1, Ryan Westmoreland. JBJ is here, too.

    Position players have about a 25% chance of success 51-100  


    We're looking at 4 for 6 (Moss, Lowrie, Reddick, Pedoia, Shoppach missing by 0.06 WAR per year, and Kalish who actually still has a a slim chance). Iglesias seems likely to succeed, and WMB has a solid chance. Swihart's in here, too.

    Expected successes = 3 * .6 + 1 * .37 + 6 * .25 = 3.67. We've had 6, just missed 7. You can argue that Westmoreland shouldn't count, in which case expected was 3.37.

    Pitchers roughly 40% chance in the top 20
     


    We're 1 for 1 (Buchholz).

    21-50 pitchers 23%
     


    We're 2 for 2 (Lester, Papelbon). Casey Kelly, Barnes, and Webster are all TBD. We're beating the norm even if all three wash out.

    51-100 pitchers 17% (under 1 in 5)  


    We're 1 for 4 according to his criteria, but one of the failures is Bard (the others are Masterson, Hansen, Bowden). Owens is in progress.

    Expected successes = 1 * .4 + 2 * .23 + 4 * .17 = 1.54. We've had 4, plus Bard.

    Thanks to the magic of rounding, it's 5 total expected successes, whether or not you count Westmoreland. It's 10 actual (plus Bard and Shoppach), out of 16 or 17 guys.


    Read more: http://forum.soxprospects.com/thread/1518/top-prospects-lower-good#ixzz2rpNaJRCT


     
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    Re: Other top Red Sox prospect lists

    Looking at some of soxprospects top prospects' lists over the years-years when our system was not as highly rated as now, shows a great percent of our youngsters did well or great:

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    I took the time to figure out all the past Red Sox prospects that ever made the top 100 prospects list at BA on soxprospects... here is the complete list from 1990.

    Year Rank Player Posi Team W-L ERA BA OBP SLG games played

    2013 8 Xander Bogaerts ss Red Sox .250 0.320 0.364 18
    2013 31 Jackie Bradley of Red Sox .189 0.280 0.337 37
    2013 40 Matt Barnes rhp Red Sox
    2013 49 Allen Webster rhp Red Sox 1-2 8.60 8
    2013 91 Henry Owens lhp Red Sox

    2012 51 Will Middlebrooks 3b Red Sox .254 0.294 0.462 169
    2012 58 Xander Bogaerts ss Red Sox .250 0.320 0.364 18
    2012 72 Blake Swihart c Red Sox

    2011 52 Jose Iglesias ss Red Sox .274 0.325 0.354 144
    2011 67 Anthony Ranaudo rhp Red Sox
    2011 97 Drake Britton lhp Red Sox 1-1 3.86 18

    2010 21 Ryan Westmoreland of Red Sox
    2010 24 Casey Kelly rhp Red Sox 2-3 6.21 6
    2010 75 Josh Reddick of Red Sox .239 0.302 0.427 413
    2010 87 Lars Anderson 1b Red Sox .167 0.268 0.188 30

    2009 17 Lars Anderson 1b Red Sox .167 0.268 0.188 30
    2009 83 Michael Bowden rhp Red Sox 3-5 4.51 103
    2009 98 Daniel Bard rhp Red Sox 10-19 3.67 211

    2008 4 Clay Buchholz rhp Red Sox 58-33 3.60 123
    2008 13 Jacoby Ellsbury of Red Sox .297 0.350 0.439 715
    2008 40 Lars Anderson 1b Red Sox .167 0.268 0.188 30
    2008 64 Justin Masterson rhp Red Sox 53-63 4.03 212
    2008 73 Jed Lowrie ss Red Sox .264 0.332 0.427 507
    2008 94 Michael Bowden rhp Red Sox 3-5 4.51 103
    2008 96 Ryan Kalish of Red Sox .243 0.293 0.351 89

    2007 1 Daisuke Matsuzaka rhp Red Sox 53-40 4.52 124
    2007 33 Jacoby Ellsbury of Red Sox .297 0.350 0.439 715
    2007 51 Clay Buchholz rhp Red Sox 58-33 3.60 123
    2007 81 Daniel Bard rhp Red Sox 10-19 3.67 211
    2007 83 Michael Bowden rhp Red Sox 3-5 4.51 103

    2006 22 Jon Lester lhp Red Sox 100-56 3.76 221
    2006 37 Jonathan Papelbon rhp Red Sox 33-26 2.41 527
    2006 54 Craig Hansen rhp Red Sox 4-9 6.34 95
    2006 77 Dustin Pedroia 2b/ss Red Sox .302 0.370 0.454 1016

    2005 10 Hanley Ramirez ss Red Sox .302 0.373 0.506 1095
    2005 72 Brandon Moss of Red Sox .253 0.323 0.468 478
    2005 91 Jonathan Papelbon rhp Red Sox 33-26 2.41 527

    2004 39 Hanley Ramirez ss Red Sox .302 0.373 0.506 1095
    2004 78 Kelly Shoppach c Red Sox .223 0.312 0.413 572

    2003 19 Hanley Ramirez ss Red Sox .302 0.373 0.506 1095

    2002 60 Seung Song rhp Red Sox
    2002 93 Tony Blanco 3b Red Sox .177 0.215 0.274 56

    2001 76 Brad Baker rhp Red Sox
    2001 77 Dernell Stenson 1b/of Red Sox .247 0.333 0.420 37
    2001 87 Tony Blanco 3b Red Sox .177 0.215 0.274 56

    2000 50 Steve Lomasney c Red Sox .000 0.000 0.000 1
    2000 66 Dernell Stenson 1b Red Sox .247 0.333 0.420 37
    2000 94 Sun-Woo Kim rhp Red Sox 13-13 5.31 118

    1999 22 Dernell Stenson of Red Sox .247 0.333 0.420 37
    1999 56 John Curtice lhp Red Sox
    1999 99 Trot Nixon of Red Sox .274 0.364 0.464 1092

    1998 22 Brian Rose rhp Red Sox 15-23 5.86 68
    1998 51 Michael Coleman of Red Sox .194 0.203 0.254 22
    1998 79 Robinson Checo rhp Red Sox 3-5 7.61 16
    1998 88 Chris Reitsma rhp Red Sox 32-46 4.70 338

    1997 10 Nomar Garciaparra ss Red Sox .313 0.361 0.521 1434
    1997 17 Carl Pavano rhp Red Sox 108-107 4.39 302
    1997 44 Brian Rose rhp Red Sox 15-23 5.86 68
    1997 46 Chris Reitsma rhp Red Sox 32-46 4.70 338
    1997 51 Donnie Sadler 2b Red Sox .202 0.262 0.284 418
    1997 60 Jeff Suppan rhp Red Sox 140-146 4.70 448

    1996 28 Donnie Sadler ss Red Sox .202 0.262 0.284 418
    1996 35 Jeff Suppan rhp Red Sox 140-146 4.70 448
    1996 36 Nomar Garciaparra ss Red Sox .313 0.361 0.521 1434
    1996 39 Trot Nixon of Red Sox .274 0.364 0.464 1092
    1996 45 Andy Yount rhp Red Sox
    1996 78 Brian Rose rhp Red Sox 15-23 5.86 68
    1996 98 Michael Coleman of Red Sox .194 0.203 0.254 22

    1995 22 Nomar Garciaparra ss Red Sox .313 0.361 0.521 1434
    1995 36 Frankie Rodriguez rhp Red Sox 29-39 5.54 184
    1995 46 Trot Nixon of Red Sox .274 0.364 0.464 1092
    1995 50 Jeff Suppan rhp Red Sox 140-146 4.70 448
    1995 94 Jose Malave of Red Sox .226 0.248 0.368 45

    1994 13 Trot Nixon of Red Sox .274 0.364 0.464 1092
    1994 39 Frankie Rodriguez rhp Red Sox 29-39 5.54 184
    1994 86 Luis Ortiz 3b Red Sox .228 0.256 0.359 60

    1993 25 Frankie Rodriguez rhp Red Sox 29-39 5.54 184
    1993 72 Greg Blosser of Red Sox .077 0.200 0.103 22
    1993 84 Aaron Sele rhp Red Sox 148-112 4.61 404

    1992 9 Frankie Rodriguez rhp/ss Red Sox 29-39 5.54 184
    1992 16 Jeff McNeely of Red Sox .297 0.409 0.378 21
    1992 71 Aaron Sele rhp Red Sox 148-112 4.61 404
    1992 86 Scott Cooper 3b Red Sox .265 0.337 0.386 592

    1991 10 Mo Vaughn 1b Red Sox .293 0.383 0.523 1512
    1991 20 Jeff McNeely of Red Sox .297 0.409 0.378 21
    1991 46 Tim Naehring ss Red Sox .282 0.365 0.420 547
    1991 64 Greg Blosser of Red Sox .077 0.200 0.103 22

    1990 61 Kevin Morton lhp Red Sox
    1990 63 Eric Wedge c Red Sox .233 0.340 0.430 39
    1990 68 Scott Cooper 3b Red Sox .265 0.337 0.386 592
    1990 76 Mo Vaughn 1b Red Sox .293 0.383 0.523 1512
    1990 79 Mickey Pina of Red Sox
    1990 83 Phil Plantier of Red Sox .243 0.332 0.439 610

    Read more: http://forum.soxprospects.com/thread/1518/top-prospects-lower-good#ixzz2rpOVHyPB


     
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    Re: Other top Red Sox prospect lists

    ESPN columnist Keith Law has released his Top 100 prospect list, but I do not have the required ESPN Insider access:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10166140/byron-buxton-tops-2014-ranking-top-100-prospects-mlb

    Law ranks Xander Bogaerts No. 2 behind Byron Buxton while the Houston farm system is ranked No. 1 and the Red Sox system No. 5:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10354393/houston-astros-top-farm-system-rankings-mlb

     
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    In response to jidgef's comment:
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    I wonder what criteria is used to define bust, success and superior? Anyone know?

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    It is calculated using WAR and laid out in the earlier post I made with the charts.  The links I gave will provide more details if you are interested. 

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    Duh, my bad. Right under my nose. But I did go back and read the article you linked; interesting stuff. It's a very inexact science.

     
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    In response to hill55's comment:
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    ESPN columnist Keith Law has released his Top 100 prospect list, but I do not have the required ESPN Insider access:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10166140/byron-buxton-tops-2014-ranking-top-100-prospects-mlb

    Law ranks Xander Bogaerts No. 2 behind Byron Buxton while the Houston farm system is ranked No. 1 and the Red Sox system No. 5:

    http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/10354393/houston-astros-top-farm-system-rankings-mlb

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    No worries... here are the rankings

    2 Xander Bogaerts SS BOS
    42 Henry Owens LHP BOS
    51 Jackie Bradley Jr. CF BOS
    53 Garin Cecchini 3B BOS
    56 Blake Swihart C BOS
    61 Mookie Betts 2B BOS
    89 Matt Barnes RHP BOS

     
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    I took the time to figure out all the past Red Sox prospects that ever made the top 100 prospects list at BA on soxprospects...

    Thanks RSDO!

    Fantastic legwork.

    That 2005 to 2008 stretch was pretty awesome. Let's hope the 2013 list can approach those.

     
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    In response to moonslav59's comment:

     

    I took the time to figure out all the past Red Sox prospects that ever made the top 100 prospects list at BA on soxprospects...

    Thanks RSDO!

    Fantastic legwork.

    That 2005 to 2008 stretch was pretty awesome. Let's hope the 2013 list can approach those.

     

    Thx moon



    I noticed that as well... the 2005-2008 stretch was amazing and we are moving into a stretch where we are just as good as that stretch in our system.  Hopefully Ben doesn't get caught in a Gorilla suit and Lucchino doesn't trade half the farm on him.  It won us a World Series, so we can't complain too much... but it does have me day dream at times.

     

    Can you imagine if we still had Anibal Sanchez with Lester and Clay as he was the third best pitcher in that class?  Had Hanley Ramirez moving over to third to clear room for Xander?  What a force that would have been through the years.  It would have kept us from having bums ever year at f@ckstop (can't type the position where Nomar played because it's a banned word!!!!!)  except for OCab and have one of the most exciting and dynamic players in the game.  Hanley was Xander's most often used comparison besides Tulo... what a show that would have been.

    Could you imagine if we still had Hanley Ramirez as our assdropstop after Nomar instead of cycling through the shitstop of the year with Pokey, OCab, Lugo, Renteria, Scut, Iglesias, Lowrie, Nick Green, Aviles, Alex Gonzalez (twice), Cora, Crespo and finally Drew.  At one time I think we were paying three shirtstops at the same time with Renteria, Lugo and Scut....

    Either way... I'm very excited to see the kids grow.  Watching home grown players like Papelbon, Lester, Ellsbury, Pedroia, Nava, Clay just make you like the team more IMO.  You can connect to the players better in a time when free agency makes it difficult to do so.

     feels like mad lips with the banned shortie word

     
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    Keith Law is always lower on the sox than everyone else.  The fact that even he has our system as a top system with 6 guys in the top 100 is pretty big, IMO.

     
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    Please ban me... I said s.hortstop.  If this is a baseball forum... how am I not allowed to type in the most importaint position in the game?  Is being referred to as not tall the "S" word?  I should slap my niece when she says such naughty things as s.hort.  Terrible words... what a naughty one they have there.

     

    I just reported myself for abuse

     
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    Keith Law is always lower on the sox than everyone else.  The fact that even he has our system as a top system with 6 guys in the top 100 is pretty big, IMO.

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    I was thinking the same thing man.  Law hates the Sox and has been a NY homer for a while now.  KLaw hates the Sox like Borges hates Belichick.  If even he can't diss them any more than dropping the system down to the 5th best and still having 6 guys in the top 100... then I agree... very good sign.

     
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    Can you imagine if we still had Anibal Sanchez with Lester and Clay as he was the third best pitcher in that class?

    Last winter, I mentioned that A Sanchez was the only big FA worth going after. I suggested we trade Lester for Myers to clear salary space and then sign Sanchez.

    Keeping Lester and getting Sanchez would have been nice too!

     
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    In response to RedSoxDOrtiz's comment:
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    In response to ctredsoxfanhugh's comment:
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    Keith Law is always lower on the sox than everyone else.  The fact that even he has our system as a top system with 6 guys in the top 100 is pretty big, IMO.

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    I was thinking the same thing man.  Law hates the Sox and has been a NY homer for a while now.  KLaw hates the Sox like Borges hates Belichick.  If even he can't diss them any more than dropping the system down to the 5th best and still having 6 guys in the top 100... then I agree... very good sign.

     

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    Just found out he grew up in Long Island, so I guess that makes sense.  I don't want to turn this into a (keith) LAW bashing thread I do think he is very good at what he does....I just notice a bit biases in him; I'm sure he is not the only biased person in the industry.  But still it is what it is, and when a guy who is normally down on your system is ranking you that high....you know you have a legit system. 

     

    I noticed we can't say s.h.o.r.t either....very very weird. next thing you know we won't be able to say balls on a baseball forum. 

     
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    In response to RedSoxDOrtiz's comment:
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    Looking at some of soxprospects top prospects' lists over the years-years when our system was not as highly rated as now, shows a great percent of our youngsters did well or great:

    ________________________________________

     

    I took the time to figure out all the past Red Sox prospects that ever made the top 100 prospects list at BA on soxprospects... here is the complete list from 1990.

    Year Rank Player Posi Team W-L ERA BA OBP SLG games played

    2013 8 Xander Bogaerts ss Red Sox .250 0.320 0.364 18
    2013 31 Jackie Bradley of Red Sox .189 0.280 0.337 37
    2013 40 Matt Barnes rhp Red Sox
    2013 49 Allen Webster rhp Red Sox 1-2 8.60 8
    2013 91 Henry Owens lhp Red Sox

    2012 51 Will Middlebrooks 3b Red Sox .254 0.294 0.462 169
    2012 58 Xander Bogaerts ss Red Sox .250 0.320 0.364 18
    2012 72 Blake Swihart c Red Sox

    2011 52 Jose Iglesias ss Red Sox .274 0.325 0.354 144
    2011 67 Anthony Ranaudo rhp Red Sox
    2011 97 Drake Britton lhp Red Sox 1-1 3.86 18

    2010 21 Ryan Westmoreland of Red Sox
    2010 24 Casey Kelly rhp Red Sox 2-3 6.21 6
    2010 75 Josh Reddick of Red Sox .239 0.302 0.427 413
    2010 87 Lars Anderson 1b Red Sox .167 0.268 0.188 30

    2009 17 Lars Anderson 1b Red Sox .167 0.268 0.188 30
    2009 83 Michael Bowden rhp Red Sox 3-5 4.51 103
    2009 98 Daniel Bard rhp Red Sox 10-19 3.67 211

    2008 4 Clay Buchholz rhp Red Sox 58-33 3.60 123
    2008 13 Jacoby Ellsbury of Red Sox .297 0.350 0.439 715
    2008 40 Lars Anderson 1b Red Sox .167 0.268 0.188 30
    2008 64 Justin Masterson rhp Red Sox 53-63 4.03 212
    2008 73 Jed Lowrie ss Red Sox .264 0.332 0.427 507
    2008 94 Michael Bowden rhp Red Sox 3-5 4.51 103
    2008 96 Ryan Kalish of Red Sox .243 0.293 0.351 89

    2007 1 Daisuke Matsuzaka rhp Red Sox 53-40 4.52 124
    2007 33 Jacoby Ellsbury of Red Sox .297 0.350 0.439 715
    2007 51 Clay Buchholz rhp Red Sox 58-33 3.60 123
    2007 81 Daniel Bard rhp Red Sox 10-19 3.67 211
    2007 83 Michael Bowden rhp Red Sox 3-5 4.51 103

    2006 22 Jon Lester lhp Red Sox 100-56 3.76 221
    2006 37 Jonathan Papelbon rhp Red Sox 33-26 2.41 527
    2006 54 Craig Hansen rhp Red Sox 4-9 6.34 95
    2006 77 Dustin Pedroia 2b/ss Red Sox .302 0.370 0.454 1016

    2005 10 Hanley Ramirez ss Red Sox .302 0.373 0.506 1095
    2005 72 Brandon Moss of Red Sox .253 0.323 0.468 478
    2005 91 Jonathan Papelbon rhp Red Sox 33-26 2.41 527

    2004 39 Hanley Ramirez ss Red Sox .302 0.373 0.506 1095
    2004 78 Kelly Shoppach c Red Sox .223 0.312 0.413 572

    2003 19 Hanley Ramirez ss Red Sox .302 0.373 0.506 1095

    2002 60 Seung Song rhp Red Sox
    2002 93 Tony Blanco 3b Red Sox .177 0.215 0.274 56

    2001 76 Brad Baker rhp Red Sox
    2001 77 Dernell Stenson 1b/of Red Sox .247 0.333 0.420 37
    2001 87 Tony Blanco 3b Red Sox .177 0.215 0.274 56

    2000 50 Steve Lomasney c Red Sox .000 0.000 0.000 1
    2000 66 Dernell Stenson 1b Red Sox .247 0.333 0.420 37
    2000 94 Sun-Woo Kim rhp Red Sox 13-13 5.31 118

    1999 22 Dernell Stenson of Red Sox .247 0.333 0.420 37
    1999 56 John Curtice lhp Red Sox
    1999 99 Trot Nixon of Red Sox .274 0.364 0.464 1092

    1998 22 Brian Rose rhp Red Sox 15-23 5.86 68
    1998 51 Michael Coleman of Red Sox .194 0.203 0.254 22
    1998 79 Robinson Checo rhp Red Sox 3-5 7.61 16
    1998 88 Chris Reitsma rhp Red Sox 32-46 4.70 338

    1997 10 Nomar Garciaparra ss Red Sox .313 0.361 0.521 1434
    1997 17 Carl Pavano rhp Red Sox 108-107 4.39 302
    1997 44 Brian Rose rhp Red Sox 15-23 5.86 68
    1997 46 Chris Reitsma rhp Red Sox 32-46 4.70 338
    1997 51 Donnie Sadler 2b Red Sox .202 0.262 0.284 418
    1997 60 Jeff Suppan rhp Red Sox 140-146 4.70 448

    1996 28 Donnie Sadler ss Red Sox .202 0.262 0.284 418
    1996 35 Jeff Suppan rhp Red Sox 140-146 4.70 448
    1996 36 Nomar Garciaparra ss Red Sox .313 0.361 0.521 1434
    1996 39 Trot Nixon of Red Sox .274 0.364 0.464 1092
    1996 45 Andy Yount rhp Red Sox
    1996 78 Brian Rose rhp Red Sox 15-23 5.86 68
    1996 98 Michael Coleman of Red Sox .194 0.203 0.254 22

    1995 22 Nomar Garciaparra ss Red Sox .313 0.361 0.521 1434
    1995 36 Frankie Rodriguez rhp Red Sox 29-39 5.54 184
    1995 46 Trot Nixon of Red Sox .274 0.364 0.464 1092
    1995 50 Jeff Suppan rhp Red Sox 140-146 4.70 448
    1995 94 Jose Malave of Red Sox .226 0.248 0.368 45

    1994 13 Trot Nixon of Red Sox .274 0.364 0.464 1092
    1994 39 Frankie Rodriguez rhp Red Sox 29-39 5.54 184
    1994 86 Luis Ortiz 3b Red Sox .228 0.256 0.359 60

    1993 25 Frankie Rodriguez rhp Red Sox 29-39 5.54 184
    1993 72 Greg Blosser of Red Sox .077 0.200 0.103 22
    1993 84 Aaron Sele rhp Red Sox 148-112 4.61 404

    1992 9 Frankie Rodriguez rhp/ss Red Sox 29-39 5.54 184
    1992 16 Jeff McNeely of Red Sox .297 0.409 0.378 21
    1992 71 Aaron Sele rhp Red Sox 148-112 4.61 404
    1992 86 Scott Cooper 3b Red Sox .265 0.337 0.386 592

    1991 10 Mo Vaughn 1b Red Sox .293 0.383 0.523 1512
    1991 20 Jeff McNeely of Red Sox .297 0.409 0.378 21
    1991 46 Tim Naehring ss Red Sox .282 0.365 0.420 547
    1991 64 Greg Blosser of Red Sox .077 0.200 0.103 22

    1990 61 Kevin Morton lhp Red Sox
    1990 63 Eric Wedge c Red Sox .233 0.340 0.430 39
    1990 68 Scott Cooper 3b Red Sox .265 0.337 0.386 592
    1990 76 Mo Vaughn 1b Red Sox .293 0.383 0.523 1512
    1990 79 Mickey Pina of Red Sox
    1990 83 Phil Plantier of Red Sox .243 0.332 0.439 610

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    Thanks for posting this, RSDO. When talking about prospects, it adds a lot of perspective to be able to look back through the years and see the hits and misses and everything in between.

    Great research.

     
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    Re: Other top Red Sox prospect lists

    The only real weakness on that list in recent years is 2009-2010, and Bard was great for a few years and Bowden still might end up having a decent career as a relief pitcher.

    Who knows what Ryan Westmoreland could have been without his injury, and the book is still open on Casey Kelly and Josh Reddick. 

     

     
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    Re: Other top Red Sox prospect lists

    You want good Prospects, you have to pay for good Scouts. This should be a focus on Upper Management. I wonder why we dont rank our Scouts and see how they produced, both Internationally and at home.

     
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    Re: Other top Red Sox prospect lists

    In response to crazy-world-of-troybrown's comment:
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    You want good Prospects, you have to pay for good Scouts. This should be a focus on Upper Management. I wonder why we dont rank our Scouts and see how they produced, both Internationally and at home.

    [/QUOTE]

    I'm sure the Sox keep tabs on scout success rates.

     
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    Re: Other top Red Sox prospect lists

    The thing is its not the top Picks that make it a success, its the lower Picks that make it. Thats how  you really determine a Good Scout.

     
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    Re: Other top Red Sox prospect lists

    In response to crazy-world-of-troybrown's comment:
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    The thing is its not the top Picks that make it a success, its the lower Picks that make it. Thats how  you really determine a Good Scout.

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    Unless a top prospect was passed over by many other scouts.

     
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